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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

OP posts:
RainingBatsAndFrogs · 28/02/2021 16:00

YANBU.
At all.

But I think it was a mistake to engage direct with her.

It is your DP's issue, not yours.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 16:01

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Ahh thank you for clarifying! CF is entirely appropriate then. Grin

SaskiaRembrandt · 28/02/2021 16:03

@EnoughnowIthink

They have had this arrangement since they split up. He has not chopped and changed anything

OMFG right back at you. It is not about the arrangement having been in place since the split, it is about the fact that the OP said And the days he is meant to have them changes every 3 months. It’s generally 3 months on, 3 months off and repeat…Last time it was short notice because he’d changed companies so it happened sooner than the usual pattern

'generally' doesn't indicate a fixed pattern. Nor does 'last time it was short notice'. That's my point. Either it works for the ex or it doesn't and if it doesn't, it seems unreasonable to expect her to work around her ex's shifts indefinitely. She is saying it no longer works for her so either he sorts out an alternative or he negotiates with his ex as to what she considers might be fair and they hopefully come to a compromise. Just because she's done it for 11 years doesn't mean she has to do it forever. Swapping and changing is annoying and can mean that something you want to take part in regularly is impossible. He needs to see that his shift pattern means she is unable to make, say, studying or work arrangements on that time or even just join a sports team or take a regular night class or a commitment to some other kind of activity.

Why can't she make arrangements? She has teenagers, it's not as if she needs to get them bathed and into bed, or arrange a babysitter. She, like the parents of most teenagers, can literally just go out.
Shnuffles · 28/02/2021 16:07

Your partner's ex sounds like a right piece of work. It must make them feel wonderful, as one of her children, to be told that she needs a weekly break from them. They're secondary age and shouldn't need that much hands-on care, assuming there are no disabilities. Sounds like she's just lazy and irresponsible. They're not your kids, and it's not up to you to take care of them when your partner's away from home.

Obviously you don't owe her a thing. Your partner needs to speak to his kids about their disrespectful comments, and if he won't, I'd still stand up for myself. It's ridiculous for them to be confronting you on their horrible mother's behalf. They don't have to like you/what you do, but they do have to respect you in your home, and that means letting the adults handle these things instead of delivering complaints for their awful mother.

Jux · 28/02/2021 16:08

@Lovemusic33

I’m going to disagree with most people and say that your dp is responsible for them during his arranged contact time, if he has to work then he has to find child care. As they are 12 and 16 I don’t really see the issue with them hanging out at their dads house, they don’t really need child care do they? If you don’t want to care for them then your dp needs to find another arrangement maybe with another family member.

I also agree that their mother deserves some free time during what was meant to be an agreement on contact (EOW).

Really it’s up to your DP to sort something as they are his responsibility during his contact time, I don’t think ex is being a bitch at all.

Have you read the thread?
B33Fr33 · 28/02/2021 16:10

You're not being unreasonable. Like a lot of people have said why should you put your life on hold for someone who can't manage their own time?
If she needs a break at a specific time then she will have to organise childcare, like every other parent out there! If she wants to support contact for her children she will have to work with their father.

Babyroobs · 28/02/2021 16:12

I don't think you are being unreasonable but actually your dp does benefit from this because he gets to sleep in. I did years of working nights and after the last night shift would just sleep until midday or something. Can he not get up earlier to have his kids?

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 16:13

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

YANBU. At all.

But I think it was a mistake to engage direct with her.

It is your DP's issue, not yours.

I agree with not engaging with her any further. I honestly couldn't bear to engage with my DP's exW (not that he would expect me to). But I'd just bat it back to him to sort with her. Same when the kids make their snarky "my mum says you are ....." remarks. Divert to Dad to deal with.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 28/02/2021 16:15

I think mum wants to stay over with a bf or have him stay at hers and feels she can't do either with her DC in the house.
Whilst not disagreeing with the OP at all, since childcare absolutely isn't her responsibility, it is funny how posters say the DC don't need babysitting because they are teens, but in the next breath say that OP shouldn't have to babysit them at their dad's house. Either they need childcare or they don't.

I'd be very careful what I said to these children - they could end up not feeling wanted by anyone. I think this needs sensitive handling. Maybe both parents should be telling the DC they are welcome at whichever house they want to be at, so long as both parents know where they are and move away from specific contact days. The kids are getting older and this might be better for them as social lives and commitments change.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 16:18

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

I think mum wants to stay over with a bf or have him stay at hers and feels she can't do either with her DC in the house. Whilst not disagreeing with the OP at all, since childcare absolutely isn't her responsibility, it is funny how posters say the DC don't need babysitting because they are teens, but in the next breath say that OP shouldn't have to babysit them at their dad's house. Either they need childcare or they don't.

I'd be very careful what I said to these children - they could end up not feeling wanted by anyone. I think this needs sensitive handling. Maybe both parents should be telling the DC they are welcome at whichever house they want to be at, so long as both parents know where they are and move away from specific contact days. The kids are getting older and this might be better for them as social lives and commitments change.

They don't need babysitting but why would they be with op rather than their actual mother?

I also think you missed the bit where op said that 16 year old wanted to move away from specifuc contact days and mum wanted them too force her to stick to it

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 16:21

I also think you missed the bit where op said that 16 year old wanted to move away from specifuc contact days and mum wanted them too force her to stick to it

I missed this too.

Ffs. This woman gets better and better.

My DD started to make her own choices about contact with her Dad from about the age of 11/12 (she's 14 now). I can't even imagine how awful to say to her "no, still you're going - I don't care where you want to be this weekend". What sort of mother does that?!

Courtney555 · 28/02/2021 16:23

Yes, I agree. I think the mother wants a bf to stay round, and the bf works, so it suits her for her children to be out of the house Fri night to at least Sun. It works round her bfs work patterns.

So she's trying to pass off sending her children to OP while their father is absent as "child contact" which it absolutely isn't. And the reason she can't do this, is because the father is working. Sorry ExW, you can't palm your children off to suit your bfs work schedule whilst ignoring that the other parent is having them Sat to Mon just like the last 11yrs... because of his work schedule!

Tiredoftattler · 28/02/2021 16:32

Why can't the 12_year old and the 16 year old take care of themselves until their father returns home from work on Friday night? If the house is represented as their home as well and the father has an ownership stake in the property, what is the problem?
Many 16 year olds are babysitters.

I do not think that the OP should be the defects babysitter, but I do ever think that a parent is doing a favor when his or her children are present in his or her home. Parents are parents 24/7 and the home that you provide is either their home or it is not.

You cannot be a partial parent in the same way that you cannot be a little bit pregnant. The time constraints are artificial distinctions imposed by a CO not by the natural and moral obligations that come with having created a life.

There should be no obligations imposed on SOs and SOs in turn should leave the planning and management to the actual parents.

I would never tell my spouse when his children could or couldn't be in the home that we share. I would have no problem saying when I would or wouldn't be available to assist. If he felt that supervision was required at that time, it would be up to him to make alternative arrangements.

BungleandGeorge · 28/02/2021 16:38

It’s not wrong to expect the other parent to take 50% of the responsibility for the children they created, it’s not ‘time off’. If the contact no longer suits mum then Dad needs to look at facilitating a change it’s not just up to the mum to do every day that he doesn’t want to. However she can’t expect that it won’t affect maintenance payments and she can’t expect stepmum to do it. It sounds like it’s in her best interests that he keeps his job. She’s been totally unreasonable towards you and the kids (by getting them involved) but all you can do is stop engaging really. Don’t answer calls from the kids, they can ring their Dad or text

ILoveYou3000 · 28/02/2021 16:39

He needs to see that his shift pattern means she is unable to make, say, studying or work arrangements on that time or even just join a sports team or take a regular night class or a commitment to some other kind of activity.

Why does it when the children in question are 16 and 12?

The ex doesn't work so that's not an issue. Anything else is more than doable without childcare with children of those ages.

mathanxiety · 28/02/2021 16:39

They’ve had the same arrangement for nearly 11 years.
3 months of Fri-Sun EOW
3 months of Sat-Mon EOW
And repeat.
This has been their ongoing arrangement. She’s just decided that I should start babysitting for her every other Friday because she’s also insisting that not only should I have them on the Friday but that DP should keep to the previous arrangement of Sat-Mon as per the usual contact when he works nights.

Is this a court ordered arrangement?

If not, you and DP need to go to court and make it official.

You also need an order prohibiting the exWife from bad mouthing you to the children. It is also called alienation and could involve their father by implication because he has chosen to have a relationship with you.

DP needs to sit his children down and tell them that you and he both care for them and that they are welcome in your home, that they should consider it their home too.
He also needs to tell them that their mother has several aspects of the story she has been telling them wrong. He needs to point out the errors, and point to the past arrangement he has had (for 11 years) as proof.

In particular, he needs to spell it out to them that what their mother now expects you to do is provide unpaid babysitting for her and that this is not fair to anyone involved in this situation. He needs to be very clear that the whole point of the contact arrangement is that they have a strong relationship with him, not that she gets time off, and that he wants to be able to spend as much time as possible with them on his contact days.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 16:47

I said “generally” every 3 months... maybe I should have been clearer.
It has been exactly every 3 months for the last 20 years for DP except he changed to a different company in September which meant that particular time he went onto nights again a couple of weeks earlier than usual. I kindly covered the childcare on the Fridays for this period as I also felt it was unfair on his ex in case she had made plans.
Now it will be exactly 3 months on / 3 months off again.
I’m not willing to do it this time around, or any other time.

His ex may well be dating, none of my business.
But I’m unsure why she can’t just date on the date we have the kids if she needs privacy? She’s not losing any free time... in fact she’s gaining another evening.

To the poster who asked why can’t DP get up earlier? Well he gets in any time between 6.30-7am and then wakes up at midday, usually functional (showered etc) by 1pm. It’s not like he’s being lazy and sleeping in... he’s lucky if he gets 6 hours.

OP posts:
SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 16:48

Is this a court ordered arrangement?

If not, you and DP need to go to court and make it official

No court in the land would entertain a child care order for a 16 year old

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SittinOnTheDockOfTheBay · 28/02/2021 16:52

Providing childcare for your SC is absolutely not your responsibility, particularly when the older SC is being hostile towards you. I'd refuse and keep pointing out that childcare should be an arrangement that is agreed between the two parents. Sorry you are in this situation.

duchesspodcast · 28/02/2021 16:52

I second the pp who said please be careful what message these dc are getting. I'm not sure all step parents know how vital their approval is (as a step child I didn't expect love obviously, but it had a long lasting damaging effect to be obviously unwanted).

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2021 16:54

@SpongebobNoPants

She’s got my SCs involved. The older one is acting like I’ve slighted her mother and “how dare I say no to her”. I’m absolutely baffled by her entitled attitude to be honest
You need to get their father to explain the situation to them, pointing out that it's the only way he can see them, which is what he wants to do. And to continue telling his ex that it's not happening.
duchesspodcast · 28/02/2021 16:54

I'm not suggesting OP makes the dc feel unwanted, just that they will be picking up on the emotional environment of both their homes.

ittakes2 · 28/02/2021 16:54

My friend's ex did this - her partner had always been a fire fighter on shift work and his ex didn't have a job. Yet her partner had to pay for overnight babysitting or my friend had to do it. They did this for year's until my friend said she'd had enough - they went to some sort of tribunal where the judge said it was crazy her partner was paying for overnight baby sitting or my friend was looking after the children while the mother had not worked in years and never looked for work so said the mother had to adjust her schedule to have the children. My friend and her ex still had the children pretty much full time but the mother had to have them a couple of nights a week. They were usually weeknights.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 16:54

@Tiredoftattler because it is not just their home, it is mine and my children’s.
I don’t want to have to cook, clean up after, ensure devices are off etc for bedtime with them.

I simply don’t want to do it. That’s enough of a reason as I am not their parent.

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dottiedodah · 28/02/2021 16:55

I think you have been more than accomodating here TBH. The exw seems to think she holds all the cards here! Saying she doesnt want to have her own DC ,and "needs a break" which is getting longer and longer by the seems of it! I would not engage with her at all and ,if DSC are rude to you about her saying things . just say to them you have no issue with either of them and like them coming over .However you have to work in a stressful job and need a break .