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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

OP posts:
LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 15:29

@Lovemusic33

I’m going to disagree with most people and say that your dp is responsible for them during his arranged contact time, if he has to work then he has to find child care. As they are 12 and 16 I don’t really see the issue with them hanging out at their dads house, they don’t really need child care do they? If you don’t want to care for them then your dp needs to find another arrangement maybe with another family member.

I also agree that their mother deserves some free time during what was meant to be an agreement on contact (EOW).

Really it’s up to your DP to sort something as they are his responsibility during his contact time, I don’t think ex is being a bitch at all.

Hmmm. Not being a bitch.

^*I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.
*^
Nope I see your point. She sounds bloody lovely to me.

BungleandGeorge · 28/02/2021 15:33

If his contact is Friday to Monday EOW and he can’t do Friday perhaps he could offer to do very Sunday night instead? Does that work with his shifts?

stablefeet · 28/02/2021 15:34

You're very patient Spongebob. How many times have you explained that this is his usual contact time? And yet people don't read. Good for you - don't do it and don't respond to her. Leave it to your DP.

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/02/2021 15:34

@BungleandGeorge

If his contact is Friday to Monday EOW and he can’t do Friday perhaps he could offer to do very Sunday night instead? Does that work with his shifts?
That is literally what they’ve done for 10 years and what he’s proposing happens this time. OP has spent plenty of time explaining this already...
IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 28/02/2021 15:37

I get why the ex is asking. Presumably your DP cares for the children that aren’t his so she’s asking the same.

I don’t get why he wouldn’t want them to feel like his home was their home at any time that wanted to come.

Bagamoyo1 · 28/02/2021 15:38

@Lovemusic33

I’m going to disagree with most people and say that your dp is responsible for them during his arranged contact time, if he has to work then he has to find child care. As they are 12 and 16 I don’t really see the issue with them hanging out at their dads house, they don’t really need child care do they? If you don’t want to care for them then your dp needs to find another arrangement maybe with another family member.

I also agree that their mother deserves some free time during what was meant to be an agreement on contact (EOW).

Really it’s up to your DP to sort something as they are his responsibility during his contact time, I don’t think ex is being a bitch at all.

If you look back though OP’s posts, you’ll see that this Fri-Sun and Sat-Mon is the arranged contact time, and has been for 11 years. The exW is trying to change it to being Fri-Mon for some months of the year.
phoebemcpeepee · 28/02/2021 15:39

@MessAllOver

If your DP has them certain nights and there are times when he’s not available, then he needs to organise childcare on the nights/days he should have them.

But he doesn't need to organise childcare. They're 12 and 16! They don't need childcare - it's just a question of which house they sit around in.

Well that's half the problem isn't it - they don't need childcare as such however by being at their dad's for usual contact,if he's either at work or asleep, it will inevitably fall to op to look after them which she quite rightly doesn't want to (nor should have to) do.

I agree with everybody else to say you need to remove yourself from the conversations this is very much between the parents (God only knows why the kids are having their say Hmm) .

I'm not a step parent so not sure how it works but if they of an age that they don't need childcare and this is purely for parental contact purposes, if DP isn't there then why would they even want to come?.

Bagamoyo1 · 28/02/2021 15:40

@BungleandGeorge

If his contact is Friday to Monday EOW and he can’t do Friday perhaps he could offer to do very Sunday night instead? Does that work with his shifts?
Read the thread. For 11 years the arrangement has been Fri-Sun when Dad is working days, and Sat-Mon when Dad is working nights, which he does for half the year.
AnneLovesGilbert · 28/02/2021 15:40

I don’t get why he wouldn’t want them to feel like his home was their home at any time that wanted to come.

I don’t get why she wouldn’t want them to feel like her home isn’t their home at any time they wanted to stay, especially when the alternative is staying at their dad’s when he’s not even there and both she and her daughters don’t have a single good thing to say about their step mum who will be there.

ktp100 · 28/02/2021 15:42

YANBU in the slightest!!

They've had that arrangement for over a decade - the only reason you agreed to do it at Xmas was because his shifts were changed at short notice and AS A FAVOUR!! Anyone who assumes a favour is a long-term agreement is a CF of the highest order!!!

If the SCs say anything else I would smile and point out that their Mum doesn't work so she has free time but you work full time so you don't. End of.

If your DH tries to push you to do it, even thought the only benefit is with his ex and he will actually see his kids LESS as a result, he's being a massive cock, frankly.

Well done for sticking up for yourself, OP. It sounds like the ex is used to people doing as they're told and needs a dose of reality.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 15:43

@AnneLovesGilbert

I don’t get why he wouldn’t want them to feel like his home was their home at any time that wanted to come.

I don’t get why she wouldn’t want them to feel like her home isn’t their home at any time they wanted to stay, especially when the alternative is staying at their dad’s when he’s not even there and both she and her daughters don’t have a single good thing to say about their step mum who will be there.

👏🏻👏🏻

Viviennemary · 28/02/2021 15:46

I csn see why the ex is fed up.Your children have him there all the time and he isn't even their father Good job he doesn't have your attitude . He needs to sort out the Friday when you refuse to look after them. .

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 15:47

@AnneLovesGilbert

Well said.

Funny how details such as Dad won't even be there when they visit, kids not needing childcare at their ages, contact arrangement predates the OP even becoming involved with Dad, and mum being unpleasant towards OP, are all so easily overlooked in favour of ..... but mum needs a break!! Hmm

Courtney555 · 28/02/2021 15:48

If they of an age that they don't need childcare and this is purely for parental contact purposes, if DP isn't there then why would they even want to come?

This.

And added to it, none of them have anything nice to say about OP, but she's good enough to be a free babysitter. Talk about "know your place."

How on earth is the mother managing to justify to her own teenage DC that clearly she's right to want a break from them so they should go and stay somewhere in the absence of their father with a woman she can't stand. How must those children feel, trying to defend that it's right that their mum just needs them out of the house.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 15:51

@Viviennemary

I csn see why the ex is fed up.Your children have him there all the time and he isn't even their father Good job he doesn't have your attitude . He needs to sort out the Friday when you refuse to look after them. .

What attitude would that be?

Not wanting to have kids that aren't yours, dumped on you (unnecessarily because they done even need childcare at their ages), by a woman who is rude, hostile, and ignorant, and clearly bad mouths you to the children she proposed to leave with you?

Yeah. That'd be my attitude too I'm afraid and I'd make no fucking apologies for it either.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 15:53

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

I get why the ex is asking. Presumably your DP cares for the children that aren’t his so she’s asking the same.

I don’t get why he wouldn’t want them to feel like his home was their home at any time that wanted to come.

But THEY don't want to come. Their mother wants them to.
LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 15:53

Anyone who assumes a favour is a long-term agreement is a CF of the highest order!!!

I have to ask as I've seen this so many times now on here ... what is a CF?! Grin

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 15:54

@Viviennemary

I csn see why the ex is fed up.Your children have him there all the time and he isn't even their father Good job he doesn't have your attitude . He needs to sort out the Friday when you refuse to look after them. .
How do you know what ops dp does for her children? It's likely not much at all.
IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 28/02/2021 15:54

@Viviennemary

I csn see why the ex is fed up.Your children have him there all the time and he isn't even their father Good job he doesn't have your attitude . He needs to sort out the Friday when you refuse to look after them. .
Exactly and they get two nights out of fourteen whilst their mum has responsibility for the other twelve.

They are also old enough to realise that for themselves the time he has them over for vs children that aren’t his.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 15:55

@LouJ85

Anyone who assumes a favour is a long-term agreement is a CF of the highest order!!!

I have to ask as I've seen this so many times now on here ... what is a CF?! Grin

Cheeky fucker Grin
EnoughnowIthink · 28/02/2021 15:56

They have had this arrangement since they split up. He has not chopped and changed anything

OMFG right back at you. It is not about the arrangement having been in place since the split, it is about the fact that the OP said And the days he is meant to have them changes every 3 months. It’s generally 3 months on, 3 months off and repeat…Last time it was short notice because he’d changed companies so it happened sooner than the usual pattern

'generally' doesn't indicate a fixed pattern. Nor does 'last time it was short notice'. That's my point. Either it works for the ex or it doesn't and if it doesn't, it seems unreasonable to expect her to work around her ex's shifts indefinitely. She is saying it no longer works for her so either he sorts out an alternative or he negotiates with his ex as to what she considers might be fair and they hopefully come to a compromise. Just because she's done it for 11 years doesn't mean she has to do it forever. Swapping and changing is annoying and can mean that something you want to take part in regularly is impossible. He needs to see that his shift pattern means she is unable to make, say, studying or work arrangements on that time or even just join a sports team or take a regular night class or a commitment to some other kind of activity.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 15:56

They are also old enough to realise that for themselves the time he has them over for vs children that aren’t his

Yes I imagine he's got loads of time too spend with ops children when he works ft solid nights for three months in a row.

What planet are you on?

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 15:58

@EnoughnowIthink

They have had this arrangement since they split up. He has not chopped and changed anything

OMFG right back at you. It is not about the arrangement having been in place since the split, it is about the fact that the OP said And the days he is meant to have them changes every 3 months. It’s generally 3 months on, 3 months off and repeat…Last time it was short notice because he’d changed companies so it happened sooner than the usual pattern

'generally' doesn't indicate a fixed pattern. Nor does 'last time it was short notice'. That's my point. Either it works for the ex or it doesn't and if it doesn't, it seems unreasonable to expect her to work around her ex's shifts indefinitely. She is saying it no longer works for her so either he sorts out an alternative or he negotiates with his ex as to what she considers might be fair and they hopefully come to a compromise. Just because she's done it for 11 years doesn't mean she has to do it forever. Swapping and changing is annoying and can mean that something you want to take part in regularly is impossible. He needs to see that his shift pattern means she is unable to make, say, studying or work arrangements on that time or even just join a sports team or take a regular night class or a commitment to some other kind of activity.

@enoughnowthink she doesn't need to "work around" it because she doesn't work, nor are they very small children. I am struggling to see her issue tbh.

She can do any of the things you says because they're old enough to be on their own for a few hours

SaskiaRembrandt · 28/02/2021 15:58

I have never seen a thread on which the OP had to explain the same basic point so many times.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 16:00

Swapping and changing is annoying and can mean that something you want to take part in regularly is impossible. He needs to see that his shift pattern means she is unable to make, say, studying or work arrangements on that time or even just join a sports team or take a regular night class or a commitment to some other kind of activity.

With teenagers?! Are you serious?
I could do any class or commitment I wanted to whether my teenage DD was at home or not - they don't need childcare.