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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

OP posts:
Cuppachino · 28/02/2021 21:44

Anyone with teens at home full time can understand why someone needs a break

Unless you have utterly abnormal teens we all know it's fucking hard

But the ex wife has never has the DC at home full time. They go to their fathers EOW and during the week, the 12 yo is at his fathers 3 out of 4 weekends.

Also, why are so many people saying about the kids needing 'babysat' if OP and her DP are not available to give the mother a break? I was babysitting other children when I was 12 and I can't imagine any 16yo agreeing to go to a babysitter.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 21:45

Oh my god, I really have seen it all now. The father being berated for daring to sleep after a night shift...he should only have a couple of hours sleep to accommodate the person that DOESN'T work. What planet are we on?

🤷‍♀️😂 craziness. Never ceases to amaze me...

Youseethethingis · 28/02/2021 21:46

Don’t say you’ve seen it all, someone might take that as a challenge 🤦‍♀️

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 22:12

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss
The DP got a new job in October so unless identical hours and days then maybe the mum has a point re contact
Yes it’s exactly the same shift pattern, slightly less hours for DP as it’s saved him a 1.5 hour commute each way. The only difference was the 3 month night shifts started a couple of weeks earlier than they would have had he stayed with the old company. I was nice enough to help out for that stint, I don’t want to do this going for forward though.

OP posts:
ohpleaseyourself · 28/02/2021 22:18

I thought both of your SC where primary school aged?

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 22:34

[quote m0therofdragons]@TrustTheGeneGenie it’s controlling when one parent from a split couple doesn’t commit to regular set visitation so the other has to continue to change their life to suit the other. Is hard with certain jobs but the other partner isn’t free childcare.[/quote]
But it is regular isn't it? It's a pattern. People have to work shifts. It's not unreasonable to need to see your children around those days, especially when the other parent does not work.

Nobody has said she's free childcare, she's their bloody mother ffs.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 23:18

What is this concept of a child staying home with their mother being "free childcare" for the father.

Utterly, insanely bizarre. Confused

MessAllOver · 28/02/2021 23:31

It's not free childcare for anyone. A 16 year old doesn't need any childcare at all and a 12 year old only needs a very minimal amount of childcare provided they are not going to be left alone for long periods. So no one, mum or dad, really needs childcare here.

It's merely a question of where the children's home is and therefore where they are free to spend their time. OP, I'm not criticising you and I don't necessarily think you're unreasonable, but what does come across from your posts is that you don't seem to think your SC have a home in your house, in the sense of a place they're welcome to be 24/7. The sense I get from reading your posts is that they should only be there as visitors to their father and it's not their home, which you think is with their mother. However, that might just reflect the family dynamic.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 23:41

@MessAllOver

It's not free childcare for anyone. A 16 year old doesn't need any childcare at all and a 12 year old only needs a very minimal amount of childcare provided they are not going to be left alone for long periods. So no one, mum or dad, really needs childcare here.

It's merely a question of where the children's home is and therefore where they are free to spend their time. OP, I'm not criticising you and I don't necessarily think you're unreasonable, but what does come across from your posts is that you don't seem to think your SC have a home in your house, in the sense of a place they're welcome to be 24/7. The sense I get from reading your posts is that they should only be there as visitors to their father and it's not their home, which you think is with their mother. However, that might just reflect the family dynamic.

Yes I know that in relation to the OP's situation specifically.

But I was referring to the general notion of "free childcare" that often comes up on threads in relation to one parent being unavailable for whatever reason, meaning the other has to keep the kids with them. It's often said for example "mum isn't free childcare for Dad". I just don't get it. Neither parent is "free childcare" for the other - they're just co parenting. It's an odd phrase to me.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 23:43

@ohpleaseyourself

I thought both of your SC where primary school aged?

*I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.
*

No. SCs are teenagers - OP's own kids are primary aged.

timeisnotaline · 28/02/2021 23:44

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@timeisnotaline yes I get that. But none of that is my problem.

There’s little childcare to be done to be fair, the kids are 12 & 16. Beyond cooking meals and doing washing, realistically how much childcare is there to be done? My own DD is 10 and is easy to look after as she’s fairly independent.
It’s not like they are toddlers[/quote]
I get the pandemics changed things but everyone I know who has teenagers is pretty busy! They have scouts dancing ballet gymnastics volleyball etc etc after school snd weekends are basically lessons, parties and kids social events. Then there’s trying to keep them fed and keep up with the washing. I get COVID changes a lot of that but I’ve never ever heard anyone say parenting teens is easy. I expect understanding and sympathy when mine are teens and I say I need a break. Mine are little and I definitely need more of a break when not working than when I am working!

SandyY2K · 28/02/2021 23:47

A 16 year old doesn't need a babysitter, it's likely a 12 year old doesn't either

I agree.

'Normal' children this age usually do their own thing around the house.

Her children are not your responsibility and demands would make me refuse even if I was going to.

How someone can be rude and ignore you, then expect your help is rather baffling. It's not how a rational human being in possession of all their facilities would do.

Benelovencd · 01/03/2021 04:09

Oh gosh, I can't believe how many times you have explained the same thing re: contact, the arrangement and it predating your relationship.
YANBU

Nothing to do with you-honestly a case of no good deed goes unpunished. I would sdo the same

TrustTheGeneGenie · 01/03/2021 08:17

get the pandemics changed things but everyone I know who has teenagers is pretty busy! They have scouts dancing ballet gymnastics volleyball etc etc after school snd weekends are basically lessons, parties and kids social events. Then there’s trying to keep them fed and keep up with the washing. I get COVID changes a lot of that but I’ve never ever heard anyone say parenting teens is easy. I expect understanding and sympathy when mine are teens and I say I need a break. Mine are little and I definitely need more of a break when not working than when I am working!

Some people do all that and work an actual job too. Imagine that. Some people do all that, work an actual job and don't wave them off for the weekend.

Little kids are hugely different. It's not comparable at all.

LouJ85 · 01/03/2021 08:22

Some people do all that and work an actual job too. Imagine that. Some people do all that, work an actual job and don't wave them off for the weekend.

My thoughts exactly.

aSofaNearYou · 01/03/2021 08:32

@MessAllOver

It's not free childcare for anyone. A 16 year old doesn't need any childcare at all and a 12 year old only needs a very minimal amount of childcare provided they are not going to be left alone for long periods. So no one, mum or dad, really needs childcare here.

It's merely a question of where the children's home is and therefore where they are free to spend their time. OP, I'm not criticising you and I don't necessarily think you're unreasonable, but what does come across from your posts is that you don't seem to think your SC have a home in your house, in the sense of a place they're welcome to be 24/7. The sense I get from reading your posts is that they should only be there as visitors to their father and it's not their home, which you think is with their mother. However, that might just reflect the family dynamic.

This comes up all the time.

My opinion is that if you just happened to have two houses, both of which were the children's "home", it is unlikely you would allow the 12 year old at the very least to come and go as they please, potentially spending whole days there unsupervised. The 16 year old, possibly, but it would depend on the 16 year old in question.

Yes OPs house may be their home, but that does not mean children, including teenagers, always get to choose when they are in their home when their parents aren't there. Most parents wouldn't leave their young teens alone and in charge for full days at a time, they'd send them to stay with someone, or have someone come over to watch them. They are still subject to their parents ruling on supervision.

BounceyBumblebee · 01/03/2021 08:34

We got this attitude from dh ex in the early days. We just had to stand our ground and stick to the arranged contact - give an inch they take a mile.

We had only just moved in together and suddenly ex wanted us to have ss for weeks at a time at the drop of a hat, because she needed a break. I was pretty young at the time, and was not prepared to take on the childcare for someone else's kid.

The fact is, contact is for the child and the father to spend time together, not a free babysitting service for the mother to have a break. The ex probably also thinks, you've moved in now so you can help look after the kids so you can have them more. Which again is not what contact is about and a new partner is not there to be a surrogate mummy (despite what many fathers also seem to think)

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 01/03/2021 08:45

@RB68

you are within your rights to say No however its DPs contact time so his responsibility to sort car not ex's. He needs to sort something else out.
Why now? This has been the arrangement for the past ELEVEN years.
WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 01/03/2021 08:56

@timetest

YANBU. It is up to your DP to sort childcare on his contact time but you shouldn’t be the automatic default.
What is so difficult to understand about the fact that this has been the arrangement for his shift patterns for ELEVEN years.

Fri-Sun 3 months
Sat- Mon 3 months

Arghhhhhhh

noeffingwayyyy · 01/03/2021 08:56

I love how so many people are assuming it's the father trying to dick about with contact time when it's actually just the mother trying to get an additional night off from her own kids by dumping them on the OP.

Stick to your guns OP!! You have every right to a Friday night with your own children when the SCs are supposed to be, and have always been, with their mother (apart from the spell where you did her a favour which you no doubt now bitterly regret!)

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 09:31

@ohpleaseyourself no my children are primary school aged, SCs are both in secondary school - aged 16 & 12.
My kids are 6 & 10

OP posts:
Number3BigCupOfTea · 01/03/2021 09:35

You were not being unreasonable but her anger is completely understandable. Like the vast majority of single mothers she ends up stuck with 95% of the responsibility and having to ask / plead / shout for a weekend off.

This is the man you're with @SpongebobNoPants it'd be easy to write her off as abusive. But take a look at why she's angry. She 's been lumbered with a lot of responsibility. And even when she negotiates loudly (abusively) it gets her nowhere because her children's father does not listen and does not care enough to change his shifts

So. A real prince.

SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 09:38

I get the pandemics changed things but everyone I know who has teenagers is pretty busy! They have scouts dancing ballet gymnastics volleyball etc etc after school snd weekends are basically lessons, parties and kids social events. Then there’s trying to keep them fed and keep up with the washing. I get COVID changes a lot of that but I’ve never ever heard anyone say parenting teens is easy. I expect understanding and sympathy when mine are teens and I say I need a break. Mine are little and I definitely need more of a break when not working than when I am working!

They do no after school activities. Mum does zero running around after them. They get the bus to and from school (funded by DP) and the socialise with kids local to them.

It's merely a question of where the children's home is and therefore where they are free to spend their time. OP, I'm not criticising you and I don't necessarily think you're unreasonable, but what does come across from your posts is that you don't seem to think your SC have a home in your house, in the sense of a place they're welcome to be 24/7. The sense I get from reading your posts is that they should only be there as visitors to their father and it's not their home, which you think is with their mother. However, that might just reflect the family dynamic

Older child can come and go as she pleases. She can cook, clean and look after herself. Youngest generally, no. Not unless her dad is here or I’m happy to have her here. She needs feeding, reminding to clean up after herself, if she goes out to see her friends I’m then responsible for knowing where / who she is with etc.
She has also lied about me in the past and has been caught out in a huge lie this week so I don’t fully trust being around her for regular extended periods of time without her dad present.

I’m not willing to do it.

It is also my home and I’m perfectly within my rights to say no if I don’t want to burden myself with the extra responsibility.

OP posts:
SpongebobNoPants · 01/03/2021 09:41

@Number3BigCupOfTea please read the full thread. She’s abusive because she is simply an abusive, selfish person. If you bothered to read my posts you’d see I’ve stated several times DP suggesting changing his shift patterns but his ex has made is clear she would not be happy with that as it will result in a reduction of CMS.

In short, she wants him to work all week whilst she doesn’t, then have the kids at every available opportunity so she can have “free time” (of which she usually has in abundance due to not working) and also pay inflated CMS and all extras for the kids.

OP posts:
dontdisturbmenow · 01/03/2021 09:44

If a routine had been established for years and eveything was fine, why did it come about that he asked you to look after them.

The fact it was 3 months earlier than it would have been doesn't make much sense as a reason.

It sounds like he might have told her that you'd be happy to.look after them because it suited him to have them at his even if he was sleeping during that time.

I think.yiur OH is at fault. He should never have suggested it in the first place and really not should you have agreed. It sounds like you set a precedence and now are going back on an agreed change.