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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

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blackcatroundabout · 28/02/2021 18:34

I've read the whole thread and I literally don't see the issue? Swap the Friday night to the Monday night for the 3 months as is usually done and then surely that's the end of it!

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:35

There could be clear benefits to the kids - It keeps the kids in their routine
Their routine has been the same for 11 years. It far predates me living with their father. Me helping out last time is what disrupted their routine.

It makes them feel like your home is also their home. It stops them feeling like an unwanted inconvenience
They do view this house as home too. They are not unwanted or an inconvenience but that does not mean I have to provide free childcare in lieu of their actual parents.

It gets them away from the mother who apparently doesn't want them and stops them being in the middle of a conflict
This is the only benefit I can see but the kids aren’t that fussed about coming here for that extra Friday. I’ve stated several times on the thread that if it was because the kids wanted to come here and wanted to hang out with me then that’s a different matter. They’ve expressed no such interest. It is literally their mum that wants it, not them.

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:35

@LouJ85

And yet you can't see why the woman might say she needs a break?

Are you serious?
I said I've been working full time in a demanding job, throughout the pandemic, with my teen at home supporting her with homeschooling, whilst pregnant.

Has the exW in this scenario done that? Did I miss that?

No I can't see why she needs a break.

Give over.

Anyone with teens at home full time can understand why someone needs a break.

Unless you have utterly abnormal teens we all know it's fucking hard.

I've had a much harder time than the OP's DH's ex and still can see why the woman would need a break ffs.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:37

I’ve stated several times on the thread that if it was because the kids wanted to come here and wanted to hang out with me then that’s a different matter. They’ve expressed no such interest

They're not going to express an interest when they're not welcome. Kids aren't stupid.

However, like I've said. Not your responsibility.

Your DH and his ex need to be very careful though - the kids will remember this and it will have an impact.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:37

@JustLyra

We can agree to disagree because it's not even remotely comparable.

Courtney555 · 28/02/2021 18:37

She's been called lazy

Well...she appears to be.

wanting to palm off her kids constantly

Yes, she does.

Doesn't give a shit about their education amongst other things...

Haven't seen that one, unless you are referring to her apparently keeping them off school for the smallest reasons.

So yes. She's lazy. And trying to palm her children off. Draw your own conclusions.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:39

[quote LouJ85]@JustLyra

We can agree to disagree because it's not even remotely comparable. [/quote]
Just because you had it tougher doesn't mean she had it easy and doesn't need a break.

In the same way the fact I had it tougher doesn't mean you don't.

Everyone has struggled and pretending she's had an easy ride is just silly.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 18:40

@JustLyra

Also *@TrustTheGeneGenie* the Op changed the arrangement to help her DH. Not the children's mother.

His weekends are not helping the mother. They're parenting his children.

How did it help him? It wasn't him with a problem. It was her.
JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:40

@Courtney555

She's been called lazy

Well...she appears to be.

wanting to palm off her kids constantly

Yes, she does.

Doesn't give a shit about their education amongst other things...

Haven't seen that one, unless you are referring to her apparently keeping them off school for the smallest reasons.

So yes. She's lazy. And trying to palm her children off. Draw your own conclusions.

So you agree then, she's been called a shit mother...
JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:41

How did it help him? It wasn't him with a problem. It was her.

He did have a problem. He needed childcare while he was working.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:45

@JustLyra

Well I read this ...

it’s every bloody day though. It is sad. When I say she is saying she needs a break, it’s fucking constant and yeah maybe there is a bit of vitriol in me towards her for acting like she’s so hard done by when she literally does nothing all day yet still moans that she needs a break!

And concluded that this is a long standing pattern of behaviour on her part and not necessarily linked to the recent pandemic; and it also states that she's done "nothing" but still "needs a break".

So forgive me but I didn't get the impression of her having a particularly strenuous time at the moment.

Courtney555 · 28/02/2021 18:47

So you agree then, she's been called a shit mother

But a lazy, entitled, rude CF. Absolutely.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 18:47

@JustLyra

How did it help him? It wasn't him with a problem. It was her.

He did have a problem. He needed childcare while he was working.

No he didn't?

The arrangement was fine as it was. Op offered to benefit the ex wife.

It benefitted nobody else but her.

Op decided not to continue and she wants op to continue.

He didn't need childcare.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 28/02/2021 18:47

@JustLyra

I’ve stated several times on the thread that if it was because the kids wanted to come here and wanted to hang out with me then that’s a different matter. They’ve expressed no such interest

They're not going to express an interest when they're not welcome. Kids aren't stupid.

However, like I've said. Not your responsibility.

Your DH and his ex need to be very careful though - the kids will remember this and it will have an impact.

They will.

From their point of view they get limited time, can only go to their dads when he is there yet he spends every day with children that are not his which likely includes caring for them at points, days out and holidays without them etc.

At their ages most separated parents let them go freely between the two homes as they choose.

Tiredoftattler · 28/02/2021 18:49

@BungleandGeorge
There is no 50% percent parental responsibility. Just as 50% of the pregnancy nor 50% of the child belongs to either parent.Each is 100% obligated to be responsible for their children. Taking care of a child is never a favor that one parent does for the other. There is only being available when you child needs care. There is no person who becomes pregnant or who fathers a child with the intention of only being available on a Court Ordered schedule. The fact that the court has to intervene means that you are incapable of resolving issues on your own and are in need of a 3rd party to outline minimal time and financial obligations.

The mom has no right to expect anything of Sponge bob. She has every right to expect cooperation from and with her children's father. If he then passes his responsibility on to someone else that becomes an issue for him to resolve.

The only people who have an obligation to see that these children are cared for are their mother and father. It sounds as though both of the parents are negligent and ineffective in their ability to come up with solutions that work well for the children and the biological parents.

Parents who take a your time, my time approach to their children forget that these are in fact " our children " and even though we are no longer a couple, they are still "our children.". They do not belong to him on Tuesday and Thursday and her on Monday and Wednesday. They belong to both of them 7 days of each week.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 18:51

At their ages most separated parents let them go freely between the two homes as they choose.

Op, dp and 16yo wanted this. Mum stopped it.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:51

[quote LouJ85]@JustLyra

Well I read this ...

it’s every bloody day though. It is sad. When I say she is saying she needs a break, it’s fucking constant and yeah maybe there is a bit of vitriol in me towards her for acting like she’s so hard done by when she literally does nothing all day yet still moans that she needs a break!

And concluded that this is a long standing pattern of behaviour on her part and not necessarily linked to the recent pandemic; and it also states that she's done "nothing" but still "needs a break".

So forgive me but I didn't get the impression of her having a particularly strenuous time at the moment. [/quote]
She’s done “nothing” because the OP thinks caring for teens is easy as it doesn’t involve much ”Beyond cooking meals and doing washing”

I tell you what, I wouldn’t mind teens who are as simple as some cooking and washing and who entirely deal with their own home education as well.

They sound like resourceful kids. Which is just as well really.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:52

At their ages most separated parents let them go freely between the two homes as they choose.

I'm pretty sure OP said the 16yo wanted the contact arrangement to more flexible and the mum wouldn't allow her to deviate from it? As in - you will go to your dad's regardless of whether you want to? Unless I misunderstood that.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:52

@TrustTheGeneGenie

At their ages most separated parents let them go freely between the two homes as they choose.

Op, dp and 16yo wanted this. Mum stopped it.

Mum couldn’t stop it. The OP’s DH could have made the change, but decided not too.
TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 18:53

Mum couldn’t stop it. The OP’s DH could have made the change, but decided not too

How could he have done that when mum wants her out the house on the schedule?

How can he possibly enforce that?

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:54

Mum couldn’t stop it. The OP’s DH could have made the change, but decided not too
We haven’t stopped it. The eldest has a key and can come and go as she pleases. It’s her mum who is insisting on EOW contact and literally kicking off if she doesn’t come or says she wants to go home to sleep

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:55

@LouJ85 you are correct

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LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:55

Parents who take a your time, my time approach to their children forget that these are in fact " our children " and even though we are no longer a couple, they are still "our children.". They do not belong to him on Tuesday and Thursday and her on Monday and Wednesday. They belong to both of them 7 days of each week.

Which perfectly sums up why I didn't respond to my DD's dad with "but it's your weekend!" when he couldn't have her. It was fine, she stayed with me - because my responsibility for her didn't change just because the arrangement said she should be elsewhere that day.

Tiredoftattler · 28/02/2021 18:56

@SpongebobNoPants

I agree that you should not have to do any of those things in your home . I also agree that your partner has every right to expect those things to happen in the home that he provides for his children, and it is his responsibility to determine who and how those things will be facilitated in his absence.

If he is paying towards rent/ mortgage/ household expenses then the house that you share should be his space as much as it is your space. In essence, it is the home that he provides for his children.

You are not his part time nanny, and it is his job to make arrangements to have his obligations met by someone else when he cannot be present.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 19:01

@Tiredoftattler it is absolutely their home too but I’m not free childcare, for the youngest mostly as the eldest is practically an adult.
They come to see their dad, they are welcome to spend time with me if he’s not here. But I’m not being told I have to do anything for a woman who is so disrespectful to me.
If she wants free time on top of what my DP is able to provide then I suggest she books a babysitter or arranges sleepovers.

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