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Sdc and refusing to engage about a thank you

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 30/12/2020 21:01

Due to covid I didn't go with my husband to give gifts to sdc.

They have refused to engage at all with either of us beyond receiving gifts.

Dh messaged eldest who has a phone to please remember to say thank you. Chased a couple times over the last few days. Including phone calls that were ignored - despite being online.

Eldest is 12.

ExW doesn't see it as part of her side to resolve. Despite always claiming manners are important etc. Has allowed eldest to block dh for daring to say a thank you would be a nice thing to do to us all. (Especially if in general it was a video call as my eldest is desperate to speak to her elder sister)

What hurts is they were joint things. From me, dh, and our joint dc. Things they asked for. And was sorted and got/wrapped like we would in general for anyone.

We have a long history of doing a lot and going above and beyond. Especially with me (through choice) usually precovid planning special Christmas days out etc.

It isn't so much a "thank you" that is wanted. Its more the dismissal behind it. The friendly tk take, then rude once given.

And the mothers attitude of "as long as they are polite to who matter to me that's all that matters" .

I know with mine I always ask them to say thank you (eldest anyway as youngest is still a baby) . I would be mortified if someone messaged me saying my child was behaving this way, like them or not.

I don't expect a massive thing cos presents were brought. But Christmas is meant to be about family and to not have either of them engage at all all Christmas period. With dh, or our joint dc or even me... despite exw claiming they adore us etc. Is hurtful.

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LouiseTrees · 30/12/2020 22:37

Could your DC reach out and say they miss them and ask if they liked the present? Like an olive branch type thing. the eldest step child is basically a teenager and now acting as such. Youngest probably just copying.

Justbecause88 · 30/12/2020 23:06

Sounds like really obnoxious behaviour. I wouldn’t drop gifts off in future, I would only give them to her when she is staying with you so is able to thank you both in person rather then hiding away. Understand covid is a challenge with that at the moment.
However I don’t agree that ExW should be involved. My DH is constantly dragged into his ExW issues with the kids behaviour and it’s not fair on him. It’s an issue your DH needs to resolve.

Isthatitnow · 30/12/2020 23:58

How do you propose the ex stops her child from blocking people on her phone?

I am afraid that generally I subscribe to the view that my ex’s relationship with his children is his responsibility. I have done my bit - made them available for contact at the times he wants, not slagged him off, seen the other side of the coin when there has been an argument and presented it to the children so they are not quite so fed up with him but ultimately, he is who he is and he needs to take responsibility for that. We’re not married - his choice - any obligation I might have had to him has ended,

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 31/12/2020 00:20

I agree with @Justbecause88 - we got to the point where we only passed gifts on if the DC invested some time and effort in their father .
Children are not entitled to presents and they need to understand that their are expectations of reciprocal respect, fairness thoughtfulness and gratitude.

Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 07:52

@LouiseTrees - we have tried. Its ignored.

@JustBecause68 - usually I would completely agree. But when sdc have him blocked, and if he turned up out of the blue go discuss things hell would kick off. I'm not sure how else beyond asking his exw to pass the phone over so he can speak to them he is meant to do anything.

This is the only level he expects from her, although obviously it would be nice if both sides could work together to resolve the issue - we understand anything else is unrealistic.

@Isthatitnow - personally I think a 12 year old should listen to a parent telling them to unblock the other. Like it or not I wasn't allowed to completely ignore a parent just because I didn't get my way/it suited me.

But yes I understand it isn't always that simple. Its not so much he expects it, its that the exw enjoys the dynamic going on here atm. She has made that very clear. That in itself is very frustrating when he is trying to parent bad behaviour.

@IfOnlyOursEyesSawSouls - this is how we would like to go moving forward but we have big worries on what impact that could have on their relationship.

This is a young girl who refused to come for months because we wouldn't give her complete control of the TV of a weekend and instead asked them all to share equally (not including baby) . She was fine sharing with her brother as both involved same games/programs. But didn't want to share time with my dd.

Apparently as she is only here four days a month she should have final say there.

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sassbott · 31/12/2020 15:55

Let her father buy the presents, it’s his issue to resolve. If they don’t thank you then you are under no onus to send anything. How said child then responds to her dad is an issue for him to resolve.

The EXW sounds like a deeply unhelpful person. My eldest is older than 12 and I absolutely would not tolerate them blocking their father or not sending a thank you. She sounds like a spoilt madam and the EXW may not be encouraging it. But she certainly is not helping manage the behaviour.

Namealreadyinuse1 · 31/12/2020 16:32

Out of 4 SDs 1 (16) always refuses to say thank you to me for the gifts. It is me who puts the thought in to all the gifts, buys them and wraps them. I’ve never had a thank you in 7 years for any gifts and it’s a battle to get her to write a thank you note to her aunts. Their DM always says she is a great believer in manners too Hmm but does nothing to encourage it.

Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 18:25

@sassbott - I would. But all money is from one pot. So even if I did leave the physical aspect of buying and sorting, it would still be equal from us both. Same as I mainly sort our twos out, but it is still very much from the pair of us.

I was wondering if next year we both had x budget to spent on the children, his the same as mine but his between the four whereas mine is just between the two of our own. But then that just feels so spiteful.

Cos despite everything, I am aware they are just children. They are acting this way because they are able to get away with it. Due to as you said, exw not encouraging it as such (I don't think?) But not helping.

It feels like just because its a way to get a dig on dh, this behaviour is seen as okay. Whereas I know full well it wouldn't be allowed witj anyone else. So regardless of who should be handling it directly, I feel like she should be more concerned with her child's manners over who it spites.

There has been quite a long history of similar behaviour throughout the years from mainly eldest sdc. And I'm starting to realise this just seems to be their temperament.
I'm just so drained of trying, as is dh if I'm honest. We take ten steps forward and about 30 back everytime he has to be anything other than a disney dad. Which to his credit he still refuses to bow to.

Its something others have noticed in the past and I've brushed past and ignored regarding them. Or not wanted to see it. That basically they come for the days out and all the rest. And obviously covid put a stop to all that. So now they have no need for us beyond presents.

Which I find so sad. For them, as they do need a dad despite what their mother thinks. For my dh as he adores his kids but refuses to just give in at everyone else's expense to keep them sweet. And for my dc as the whole dynamic is just so messed up and I hate that they are stuck in the cross fire of this all (as his lovely exw stated when declaring her two should always be paramount but sorry dh wife that means yours are in the crossfire for that"

Sorry, I'm ranting a little now. Just a lot of reflecting today and seeing a lot of things that have happened over the years kn a completely different light.

@nameallreadyinuse1 - its buggers belief isn't it? I'm of strong belief these women will have their work cut out for them soon when this whole "manners only matter when it suits" comes to bite them on the arse.

I am quite looking forward to watching exw cope with the little terror she has created out of what was once a lovely little girl. All for the sake of spoiling and enjoying the f you to the ex husband.

I truly believe that just because you separate, it doesn't stop you reminding your kids to have good manners all round. Regardless of how you feel about the other side.

As I said earlier - I would be mortified if someone called me out on my kids poor manners and be having words with them/removing said presents until it was resolved. Rather than mocking the other side for it and declaring it not their problem. They are still half your kids.... they reflect you too! And fair enough if she doesn't want to deal with it herself, but then let dh call on yer phone, make them talk to him and let him bloody parent them ffs.

As it stands, sdc have been a spoiled brat. Again. Acted out. Again. Rude and obnoxious. Again. Basically allowed to essentially give dad the finger, ignore any potential repuctions for that. While also keeping all the presents and getting to carry on with normal life in a "youve done nothing wrong love" environment.

I truly think bad or shitty behaviours should be resolved and dealt with. Not bloody ignored. And I truly hope it does come and bite the exw on the arse. Cos she will only care about that impact once it affects either her or someone she cares about

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Namealreadyinuse1 · 31/12/2020 19:45

It’s so hard. I keep saying to myself that next year I won’t be putting myself in the same position but of course I will. My SD ‘tests’ my DH all the time and it’s heartbreaking to witness. She has already cut back on contact. She is going to be a very messed up adult, which DH recognises but of course in their DMs house they’re like the bloody Walton’s! Their DM was SM to my eldest 2 SDs and she was red hot on manners with them & chores etc. Shame she didn’t carry it on to her own. I watched my SD be all sweetness & light to my parents on Christmas Day, gushing over their gifts & I didn’t even get a good morning never mind a thank you!

Unspeakably · 31/12/2020 19:56

I was wondering if next year we both had x budget to spent on the children, his the same as mine but his between the four whereas mine is just between the two of our own. But then that just feels so spiteful.

How about you split it in two and he can sort the presents for his dcs and the other half can go on your two dcs? That makes more sense surely.

I don't think that's spiteful at all. His dcs, he sorts the presents, he gets the thank yous. It isn't ideal. It would be nice if you could give them presents from the two of you and they say thank you, but that hasn't worked.

bogoffmda · 31/12/2020 20:04

Wow -did not take long for this thread to descend into a got to be the E who causes, makes, perpetuates all the issues.

Have to agree with isthatit now.

My middle SDC - never says thank you, eldest and youngest brilliant. Mum engaged and we get on - she has no solution, all brought up in the same way .

Stop blaming the EX as the easy get out and look at what other issues there may be going on

Milkshake7489 · 31/12/2020 20:14

Unless there's a huge backstory, your dsc's mum is doing her children no favours by supporting their behaviour.

Both parents need to work together to promote good behaviour and facilitate healthy relationships... if I'd refused to visit my dad because I didn't have control of the TV for the full weekend my mum would have told me to stop being ridiculous Hmm

I'm sorry OP, i don't really have any advice other than to let your DH explain why their behaviour was rude calmly next time they visit (whilst reassuring them they are still loved and welcome, obviously).

Good luck.

Houseplantmad · 31/12/2020 20:25

Buy them a book on manners next time.

Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 21:30

@unspeakably - again I would agree but I feel like it would be a bit of a piss take to have me left to creating "christmas" for our joint dc, and lave him completely with his own. I feel all aspects would get lost in that agreement. Although I get the concept and agree in principle. I just never wanted it to become an "us" ",them" dynamic.

@bogoffmda - I would usually agree. But again, I've seen the texts from the ex. For a while we were civil and I never would have considered her a part to play in this. Until she explicitly either a) told my husband to call her for them on nights she would then respond with saying she was working on with no prior warning or b) the nastiness that would come out in them.

I am by no means an "ex is wrong, dh is right" person. I have stuck up for her many a times when dh has seen wrong where it wasn't due. As a whole I think she is a brilliant mother and very in tune with her kids. No faults there. Her faults lie when she forgets dh has four rather than just two to consider, and she does (as expressed by herself in texts) enjoy the hell that can be created this end even when she wouldn't allow it on her end.

This isn't an ex bashing thread. Nor am I "bashing" the ex, but I do think for the childrens well being long term it could have been handled better despite how she may enjoy the silent f you to dh.

Cos regardless of how you feel about a person, basic manners shouldn't be something that should be ignored.

@milkshake7489 this is exactly what ended up causing issues between me and exwife. Cos I refused to bow.

We got along brilliantly, she admitted herself it is clear i love and care for sc. Which is true.

Until I called her out on the fact certain things like the TV, or refusing to engage with their younger siblings out of spite for their dad wasn't acceptable. After she had already admitted she wouldn't allow it on her end.

Nor did she like me being annoyed her boyfriend had threatened to come to our house and essentially cause a massive thing on our drive, cos things weren't going their way. Apparently it would be wrong (which of course it would be) if dh done that there, cos the kids. But perfectly fine to put mine in that position.

Dh has his wrongs. I can see why he would piss her off at times, he does me! There's no loyalty bonds in that area at all that make me clouded to how things could be seen from either side.

But believe me when I have seen every text. He asks for the most basic of things and gets nothing but abuse back. He stands up for himself and unless it revolves around the sc being priority- he is the world's worst human. Even when its a safety issue or equal to our dc.

All things in nicer times, we would talk about together and agree upon that all must be equal, to the best of any blended family can achieve.

There is no question in my mind in general she is an amazing mum. Same as, at least what she has told me there is no question in her mind I am a loving step mum.

The problems become when the blended aspect exists. The having to think of more beyond your own. Which I know is hard, I struggle at times. It is so hard to switch that natural "they are my babies they are the most important thing in the wolrd" off.

But unfortunately, if you have kids thar go on to be part of a blended family, or have children in a blended family - that switch does need to be turned off. So all children have the best they possibly can. Because encouraging that divide just hurts your own.

End of the day every single child never asked to be in this situation. So as adults we need to swallow pride and some part of natural protection for our own. So we actually do protect our own and the scs/half's.

It is incredibly hard to have a home, with children you had, nd children you love despite not having them. Trying to make it work while someone gains joys out of the difficulties. When if it was anyone beyond an exhusband facing it, it would be addressed. As that is what we do as parents, we see bad behaviour and we correct it.

My dcs have no leniency in that regard even if I'm not someone's biggest fan. If they get a gift, or something similar. I always bite my tongue - record a cute opening video and a reminder (eldest is only 2 and a half) to say thank you. Dc does. Sent. Over with.

Even if in my head all I can think of is "I don't like you". I do it. Cos I want my little ones to understand if someone gets you something, you show gratitude.

As an update - dh text eldest to wish her a happy new years. She explained she had just been so busy. He reminded her a text takes two seconds. I then got a text as well saying thank you.

At this point it feels too much of the same. Chase. Ignore. Chase. Ignore. Once she starts to realise a nice message comes through.

I appreciate it. Glad she done it. But it feels like it has little meaning at this stage. All the excuses were nothing excuses, as dh pointed out, it would have taken two minutes.

But then at this point I'm not sure if I'm just a bit miserable in general with the shitty year. I hold nothing against her. She is a child. If I held something against a child that annoyed me I'd have no family, or my own children left :,)

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 21:30

@Houseplantmad - that is a good idea Xmas Wink

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Unspeakably · 31/12/2020 21:36

I would agree but I feel like it would be a bit of a piss take to have me left to creating "christmas" for our joint dc, and lave him completely with his own. I feel all aspects would get lost in that agreement. Although I get the concept and agree in principle. I just never wanted it to become an "us" ",them" dynamic

But why can't he help you create Christmas for your dcs and also buy some presents for his other dcs?

Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 22:32

@Unspeakably this year I did leave him to focus on sdc. From organising and wrapping.

It just felt wrong. It felt like I was being spiteful. As I gain so much joy from doing mine and my niece and nephew.

It suddenly reminded me it was separate? I guess.

Spoke to sdc a fair bit tonight and reminded her how loved she was and how I expect moments that will drive me mad. As my two do the same.

But the difference was communication. Told her if she needs to scream and shout to get her feelings across then to go ahead as that would be better than silence.

Explained I'm used to her younger brother (my 8 month old) being a full hell spawn so at times I want to have a breather. But I remember I love him. And thars the same deal with them.

If my own two can leave me planning escape routes. Its a given two I have no control over will drive me mental.

And it does just go back to remembering. Despsitr everything. They are all babies

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 22:36

I'm still not over the moon in general. Cos we have had these chats so many times.

I just want to remind her that her and her brother are so loved. Cos despite everything they are.

If my parents gave up on me once 11 years old etc - I'd have nothing i do now.

I felt how she does, for different reasons.

But communication is key.

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Unspeakably · 31/12/2020 22:41

You sound so sweet, but it really needs to be your DH taking on this responsibility; both for the presents and for addressing their lack of manners. Imho obviously.

Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 23:45

I agree. But hard to maintain when blocked and exwife won't engage.

Hence why I think tonight happened. They warm to their usual. They know I love them and an a mum. And anything beyond mum being right or a mum relating seems wrong.
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Unspeakably · 31/12/2020 23:47

@Blendeddifficulties383

I agree. But hard to maintain when blocked and exwife won't engage.

Hence why I think tonight happened. They warm to their usual. They know I love them and an a mum. And anything beyond mum being right or a mum relating seems wrong.
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Right, but this isn't your problem. Making it your responsibility is probably making things worse. And I know that isn't your intention at all, as you sound so caring towards all of them.
Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 23:48

We bond cos I remind them I would be angry if my two acted the same. And give examples.

Something I said tonight was " ds was a sod. He is a sod daily. I want to walk away. But I don't. Cos I love them. And I'd rather be shouted at than silence.

Not cos I want to be shouted at - but we get where you're coming from then compared to silence

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 31/12/2020 23:51

It isn't. I could turn around and tell them all to say do one.

But then my babies suffer as do sc.

Cos even if we make thar dynamic work- it creates a divide. And I neber want mine or his to feel "different"

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Unspeakably · 31/12/2020 23:52

Maybe they don't want that sort of relationship with you though; where you shout and get it all out and make up. At the minute, they want to be silent for whatever reason. You've got enough on your plate, so I'd personally take a huge step back.

Happy New Year btw.

bogoffmda · 01/01/2021 00:04

Her faults lie when she forgets dh has four rather than just two to consider,

not her problem - it is your DPs. She has 2 DCs to prioritise - he has 4 - his problme, his solutions not hers and not yours!