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Sdc and refusing to engage about a thank you

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 30/12/2020 21:01

Due to covid I didn't go with my husband to give gifts to sdc.

They have refused to engage at all with either of us beyond receiving gifts.

Dh messaged eldest who has a phone to please remember to say thank you. Chased a couple times over the last few days. Including phone calls that were ignored - despite being online.

Eldest is 12.

ExW doesn't see it as part of her side to resolve. Despite always claiming manners are important etc. Has allowed eldest to block dh for daring to say a thank you would be a nice thing to do to us all. (Especially if in general it was a video call as my eldest is desperate to speak to her elder sister)

What hurts is they were joint things. From me, dh, and our joint dc. Things they asked for. And was sorted and got/wrapped like we would in general for anyone.

We have a long history of doing a lot and going above and beyond. Especially with me (through choice) usually precovid planning special Christmas days out etc.

It isn't so much a "thank you" that is wanted. Its more the dismissal behind it. The friendly tk take, then rude once given.

And the mothers attitude of "as long as they are polite to who matter to me that's all that matters" .

I know with mine I always ask them to say thank you (eldest anyway as youngest is still a baby) . I would be mortified if someone messaged me saying my child was behaving this way, like them or not.

I don't expect a massive thing cos presents were brought. But Christmas is meant to be about family and to not have either of them engage at all all Christmas period. With dh, or our joint dc or even me... despite exw claiming they adore us etc. Is hurtful.

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 01/01/2021 08:49

Very true. We did have a long talk last night where she did open up a bit.

I didn't mean we shout and make up btw as so literal. More not to be afraid I may be annoyed if that makes sense.

I never want them to feel like they can't voice things to me through fear I may get annoyed with them.

And happy new year to you too! Let's hope this one is a better one for us all x

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Redkatagain · 01/01/2021 10:09

DSS who was 14.5 last Christmas pulled this stunt.

This year, he got a card and nothing else. We have paid the money we would have spent, into a bank account that he doesn't know about.
When he asks (via DSD) she can tell him what she likes. She is sensible and will tell him that as he couldn't be bothered to speak to either of us this year and showed no sign of liking what we got last year, that we thought it best not to try again for Christmas 2020. Hopefully it will make him think

Blackdog19 · 01/01/2021 10:19

You do sound like a great SM to be fair OP. Does your SD only see her dad four days a month though? That doesn’t seem much. Sorry if I’ve misread, it was from your post when your SD said she should have control as she’s only there four days a month.

Blendeddifficulties383 · 01/01/2021 19:12

@Redkatagain I did wonder about doing something similar in future. If I'm honest my discussion with sd was very confusing though- she seemed back to the girl i used to know right at the start.

My heads a mess.

@blackdog19 - unfortunately yes. When at court he did ask for more but exw refused due to their routine etc, and he bowed.

We both agree it is far from enough. But as the children are thar much older now, and they are adjusted in their own plans and how things work at mums - they don't want to change it either.

So it would feel cruel going to court and fighting for something they don't want.

Thats why (and with covid to boot) the phone issue is so important. As when issues arise there is such a vast space of time before it can be addressed. And even then, if things don't go right they will just refuse to come. And exw will allow that (even if over petty issues like the TV!)

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 01/01/2021 19:31

I do think and can see why the children would struggle here at times. With two under 3 the house is quite crazy at times. Especially with only one TV in the house and everyone trying to divide everything.

Going from multiple tvs and one of two, to suddenly being one of four and one tv so having to share their main thing - console time. Is hard for them. Even though dh does one on one time with them. (He works eow and late nights, so a window does need to be allowed for our two too)

Especially when they have such a fierce loyalty to their mum. Even their mum said they get nervous mentioning they had fun here/their younger siblings to her. As though its somehow letting her down.

For any child a split home is confusing. Let alone reaching puberty. While also knowing that mum and dad don't get on?

They are so incredibly bright as well, which is amazing in general but also makes them very bright in working the "separated parents angle" . Which makes it even more vital we work as a team on this stuff in my opinion.

As exw admitted that once she asked for xyz punishment to carry through our weekend, behaviour improved on her side. Cos they knew they couldn't play up, come here and it never happened for example.

Now the same is happening on the other side, its a non-issue. But its also that much harder to manage and control and more importantly, resolve. When it is as sporadic as it is.

I don't expect exw to parent for dh. Just to make sure he has that ability to parent while not physically present.

Cos as I've said to dh for years, even with our own two. Children need a dad. Not a friend.

I hate having to "tell off" my dd. She does the eyes. The tantrums. The cutesy thing to wiggle around it. Anything to avoid actually having to deal with whatever punishment was needed (nothing harsh I swear!) .

And some days, it would be easier for me to ignore if she was playing up. Like today, absolute hellspawn I'm sure was swapped over night.

But if its not dealt with in the now and then, it gets worse and behaviours exhibit that "i know how to get out of this one" .

As it stands for now, sdc know they can play up and nothing is enforced once back at mums. And if dh chases it, they can blank it. Then suddenly message and all id meant to be okay again. Or at least forgotten about.

I feel it sets a precedent for our future as a family and their roles in it.

I believe children should always be heard, thought of, considered and the adults decision should reflect all of that. But ultimately the parent should have the final say, not the child (as long as they truly believe it is in their childs best interests)

If my dd or my ds acted in any of these ways to me (or worse from history with sdc) they would get a lot more than a "thats not nice, but let's forget it" response.

Not cruel. I can't stress that enough. But consequences for behaviour is a massive thing. Act ungrateful? Lose what you weren't grateful for. Lie? Explain how serious those lies are and to what extent that damage could do to either us or themselves as not believed the next time etc.

Again these are all things in better times me and exwife especially agree on, and she does instal it in general. Its just when it gets to dh suddenly it seems like a point scoring contest and all thays left is two kids very confused over where boundaries lay.

I can also see why exw may have some underlining issues with dealing with dh. When we first met i had to tell him off a fair bit for being unreasonable, not nastily so - but always assuming the worst in a message or something she had said. That when looking at the bigger picture was understandable. Even if not worded in the most diplomatic way. But then im not diplomatic with him either when he's really pushed the limits 🤣

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Blendeddifficulties383 · 01/01/2021 19:45

I can't stress enough that I don't dislike the exw at all. For a period we spoke daily nearly and developed what i would like to believe was a bond.

She is a brilliant mother. There is no question there at all. But (and I have voiced this to her) she lacks the understanding that the world doesn't revolve around her two here. As it doesn't mine either.

I also do appreciate how fucking hard that is to process as a mum. It breaks my heart hearing my little girl begging to speak to sdc and crying when told she can't. Cos they don't answer. Its not all roses here when they stop communicating. Because it DOES impact my dd. Not ds yet as far too young.

And of course it hurts that two children are allowed that power to hurt another child. Even when expressed to exw, and dh got a bunch of laughing emojis back.

Its spiteful. Cos I know I'd never be okay with myself if I allowed my spite to hurt another kid. Even if in some warped way I felt it taught the person I disliked a lesson.

Its just sad.

And as much as I love my sdc, and I do despite everything. I would always tell them not to get involved with someone with children. Your life is never your own, its part the exs. And thars okay until you have kids yourself.

It brings out a lot more feelings from the ex, you, your partner and the existing children. Its shit for all involved unless you somehow have the magical blended and everyone works together/it works.

It makes me so sad to think it has been allowed that dh eldest two can treat my two differently but aren't allowed to treat each other that way.

It forces thar "youre different" dynamic. For them most importantly, but also the entitledness will affect my two. And in future make my own parenting more difficult as I can see myself in five years shouting at my two "just cos sdc ignore us for weeks on end doesn't mean you can!" "So why can they? They ignore us when suits" or me having to tell them off cos they've decided they are moody they had to share with sdc so won't talk to them. "Talk to your siblings" "we don't have to. They don't with us when it suits"

I know I'm delving into the whole crazy over thinking aspect. But it plays on my mind.

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