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Ems1101 · 03/09/2020 19:20

I am a mum looking for a bit of advice, the situation does involve step parents so I hope this is ok to post here.

A bit of background to our story, I have an 8 year old daughter and do not live with her dad, I live with my husband and two daughters, dad lives with his girlfriend and her son who is 10, our 8 year old goes between the two homes and has done since she was a 4 month old baby. We have always been amicable and ensured our daughter has plenty of time with both families, extended families, friends and all important events have been shared.
During lockdown we experienced some challenging behaviour from our daughter, I had a baby in April so my anxiety was high which would have been visible and of course we were all wondering what was happening in the world as well as school and friends being removed.
One time in May daughter was with her dad she ended up being dropped at my door in tears without him waiting for me to answer (he has never done this before) as he was so angry with her, I still don’t know exactly why but ever since daughter hasn’t wanted to stay at dads, she has still spent time there but always come to sleep at her house with me (we live 5 mins apart).
When we were allowed to we took daughter to see a child psychologist as she was very low who advised daughter was showing signs of separation anxiety which has lead to depression and we have been working on a variety of things. In the last few weeks behaviour has improved and mood has lifted.
Dad has now stated daughter that as daughter is back to school, she has no choice but to go back to our regular pattern of staying every other weekend, Tuesday night and half of all holidays which is what we have done for years. The problem is that daughter is adamant she doesn’t want to stay over and is getting very upset at the thought.
Unfortunately dad seems to believe that I am encouraging the lack of staying so our relationship has broken down somewhat and although we have always got on this is if things go his way, he has often been quite confrontational and intimidating if he isn’t happy which is why I am finding this more difficult.
My question is do I agree with dad and say she has to stay knowing how upset she is or do I try and speak to him about how she is feeling (although he knows she doesn’t want to go and has told her she is fine). She keeps asking me if I have told him she isnt staying which I haven’t as I am nervous but also don’t believe it is right. I genuinely want to do what is best for our daughter in that she has good strong relationship with her dad but also that she feels safe and secure. I have thought about asking him to let her settle back in to school etc then try but there is the concern that the longer this goes on the less likely she is to stay.
For info she has stated that the reason she doesn’t want to stay is that she misses me and her sisters and that her dad doesn’t notice her when she is there, he is too busy with work or smooching his girlfriend (they moved in together in January) and that the son isn’t very kind to her.
Any help or comments are appreciated, thank you.

OP posts:
Username7521 · 03/09/2020 19:29

Is their a court order for contact or is it a private agreement? Would you consider mediation?

user1493413286 · 03/09/2020 19:30

I’ve got a stepdaughter and I think if it was her or even my own DD in this situation I’d want to follow what she wants/needs as long as she is still seeing her dad then over time increase how long she is staying in the evening until she’s coming back to you at her bedtime with the hope that then she will start feeling comfortable to stay again.
We had a similar ish situation when DD was around 7 when there had been a lot of change in her life at mums and at ours and she wanted to see us but would get really upset missing her mum so as she lives a distance away we stayed nearby a couple of times and had her for the full weekend but with the proviso that she could stay the night at her mums if she wanted rather than with us. In the end she wanted to stay with us as she was having fun but knowing she could go home took the anxiety of it away and it wasn’t hanging over her all day.
It’s difficult when her dad doesn’t agree and I can imagine he’s upset about it but there’s good reasons why she’s struggling and as long as she is seeing him then I’d say you have to go with what she needs for now.

ShinyGreenElephant · 03/09/2020 19:31

I wouldn't make her go. I would tell dad her reasons and suggest that he makes more effort when she goes for the day, with a view to making her feel more comfortable to stay over in the future, but i definitely wouldn't force her to stay. I would also tell dad he needs to deal with the stepsons behaviour. Your poor little girl it sounds very stressful for her, and you

EthelMerman · 03/09/2020 19:41

Is there someone who could act as intermediary on your daughter’s behalf? Someone both you and your daughter’s dad would trust?

If this person could be there, as an unbiased advocate, along with you, to support your daughter while she explains to dad that although she loves him, right now she needs to do things differently, eg she just stays over on the Tuesday and makes plans to do things with her dad on their weekends together.

My niece recently went through something similar with her 8-year old and her ex-DH. The ex-DH has a partner with two children so she was finding it hard seeing her dad at the partner’s house and having to fit it in with the step siblings. All at the same school but not in the same friendship groups. I think niece and ex DH managed to talk it through but it wasn’t easy as ex-DH was very prickly.

ThePlantsitter · 03/09/2020 19:45

Would the child psychologist you saw be prepared to talk to you both, together, about what arrangements would be best for your daughter?

june2007 · 03/09/2020 19:52

Carry on with day visits, take back in the evening. Hopefully over time she will want to go back.

worksleep · 03/09/2020 19:59

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MyGodImSoYoung · 04/09/2020 08:20

My DSD is 8 and going through a similar thing where she doesn't always want to stay (although it is unclear why as she always seems happy to be here and never gets upset). It is absolutely fine for her not to stay the night, but I do think you need to speak to your ex sooner rather than later. From a step parent point of view, it can feel like I have no control over my life when plans get changed constantly.

ChickenFriedFudge · 04/09/2020 18:11

The hypocrisy on this forum sometimes. A stepmum literally posted the exact same situation and was told that children shouldn't dictate their schedule and let the child go back to mums, regardless of the child's needs and wants. Now it's a parent posting the difference is responses are staggering.
OP I would suggest mediation and/or sitting down you and DH together with her to find a way forward.

Ems1101 · 04/09/2020 20:24

@Username7521

Is their a court order for contact or is it a private agreement? Would you consider mediation?
It is a private arrangement between us as it has always worked really well. I would absolutely consider mediation. Thank you.
OP posts:
Ems1101 · 04/09/2020 20:28

@MyGodImSoYoung

My DSD is 8 and going through a similar thing where she doesn't always want to stay (although it is unclear why as she always seems happy to be here and never gets upset). It is absolutely fine for her not to stay the night, but I do think you need to speak to your ex sooner rather than later. From a step parent point of view, it can feel like I have no control over my life when plans get changed constantly.
You are right, I do need to speak with him. We all need to know the routine so so we can plan accordingly as it affects the lives of both families. Thank you for sharing your side.
OP posts:
Ems1101 · 04/09/2020 20:29

@ThePlantsitter

Would the child psychologist you saw be prepared to talk to you both, together, about what arrangements would be best for your daughter?
I have asked this question and she said that we would be better seeking mediation.
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Doyoumind · 04/09/2020 20:31

I think she should be gently encouraged to spend time with him but shouldn't be forced as she is clearly not reacting well. Make it clear to her dad it won't help their relationship in the long run if he upsets her now.

Chicken I know the thread you are referring to and the circumstances are completely different. It is you who shows bias.

Ems1101 · 04/09/2020 20:36

@user1493413286

I’ve got a stepdaughter and I think if it was her or even my own DD in this situation I’d want to follow what she wants/needs as long as she is still seeing her dad then over time increase how long she is staying in the evening until she’s coming back to you at her bedtime with the hope that then she will start feeling comfortable to stay again. We had a similar ish situation when DD was around 7 when there had been a lot of change in her life at mums and at ours and she wanted to see us but would get really upset missing her mum so as she lives a distance away we stayed nearby a couple of times and had her for the full weekend but with the proviso that she could stay the night at her mums if she wanted rather than with us. In the end she wanted to stay with us as she was having fun but knowing she could go home took the anxiety of it away and it wasn’t hanging over her all day. It’s difficult when her dad doesn’t agree and I can imagine he’s upset about it but there’s good reasons why she’s struggling and as long as she is seeing him then I’d say you have to go with what she needs for now.
I have said to her that on the weekends she is with dad that it is at least all day both days as it is important they get the chance to do whatever they want to do together.

I do think that would help her feel more relaxed, if she didn't feel as forced to stay but rather that they have a lovely family day together and she she naturally wants to stay there.

Thank you

OP posts:
Ems1101 · 04/09/2020 20:42

@ChickenFriedFudge

The hypocrisy on this forum sometimes. A stepmum literally posted the exact same situation and was told that children shouldn't dictate their schedule and let the child go back to mums, regardless of the child's needs and wants. Now it's a parent posting the difference is responses are staggering. OP I would suggest mediation and/or sitting down you and DH together with her to find a way forward.
You are right, I will look into mediation and get that organised. The time has come for a bit of help in our situation. I am in agreement children should not dictate their schedules, as adults who love her we know that it is best for her to have close relationships with us both it's just how we overcome this hurdle. Thank you.
OP posts:
Ems1101 · 04/09/2020 20:43

@june2007

Carry on with day visits, take back in the evening. Hopefully over time she will want to go back.
That's I what I am hoping will happen :)
OP posts:
Ems1101 · 04/09/2020 20:49

@ShinyGreenElephant

I wouldn't make her go. I would tell dad her reasons and suggest that he makes more effort when she goes for the day, with a view to making her feel more comfortable to stay over in the future, but i definitely wouldn't force her to stay. I would also tell dad he needs to deal with the stepsons behaviour. Your poor little girl it sounds very stressful for her, and you
I have tried to talk to him about her reasons that she won't stay and she says those things are her perception of the situation and not how things really are. Thank you, it is stressful, I feel so guilty and am concerned about their relationship as they have always been so close and he is a great dad. I think it's the fact the dynamic has changed recently for them and she is finding it hard to adjust but there is only so much I can do to. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
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SandyY2K · 04/09/2020 20:52

I can't believe he just dropped her back to you crying with no explanation and didn't even wait for you.

Did you not ask him why and try and get to the bottom of it?

Anyway...I wouldn't force her to go in this situation. She's obviously very distressed and it Direct look like he took the time to find out why she was upset.

I'm sorry.. but this is not how a good father behaves.

Why works she wave to go they're to get ignored and be treated mean by the girlfriends son. Poor kid.

You need to advocate for her and protect her...because be clearly first have the patience or inclination to do it.

doodleygirl · 04/09/2020 20:53

I really think your daughters feelings must be taken into account. Mediation is the way to go.

Lucy1981k · 04/09/2020 21:06

I do agree that daughters feelings should be taken into consideration somewhat but I also feel that it isn’t really her right to dictate.

Her father has a responsibility to parent her and as long as she is safe and looked after then I think it’s a bit tough and she needs to learn to get on with it.

He is her father whether she likes it or not. It’s sounds like she may be playing parents off here and choosing the home where she gets the best deal.

I’d also be careful not to give too much attention to her woes at her dads. Children can be very manipulative sometimes and if they are getting the attention and outcome they desire they will try it on.

I say this as a mother who dealt with similar a few years back.

winterchills · 04/09/2020 21:43

I wouldn't make her go either. But she needs to really have a talk with her dad and tell him why.

Festivalgirl83 · 07/09/2020 14:53

I feel for you as we have the same situation here with my DD and her Dad. She doesnt want to visit and spends her time messaging me to come and get her.
My DD is also very anxious and we have see a psychologist too but only via zoom which isnt that helpful at the moment 😔

LouHotel · 08/09/2020 01:47

What happened the day she got dropped back?

Has she told you how the son is not kind to her?

Notapheasantplucker · 08/09/2020 02:02

The first thing I'd be doing is finding out why he dropped her home crying at the door on her own!?

Are you not concerned as to what's happened?

I'd be furious if my children's dad did that.

Hopefulhen · 08/09/2020 02:30

He dropped her back at your house, i.e. rejected her, because her feelings and emotions were inconvenient? No wonder she’s not keen to stay with him any more, the trust is gone. Would you consider leaving her at her fathers door because you had a disagreement? Of course not.
IMO a lot of father-daughter relationships break down at this age because the man just cannot accept that his daughter has her own opinions and he needs to be considerate of her feelings. He’s being heavy handed by just insisting that your DD must obey the previous plan without him addressing her concerns.

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