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Poor living conditions at bio mum's house

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MrsHoldcroft3008 · 18/10/2019 12:34

My step daughter (SD) is 8 years old and me and her dad have been together 3 years, married 1 and now have a 4 month old. She lives with us 4 days a week and her mother 3.

I have recently been to her mother's house to pick something up and was completely appalled at the state of her kitchen (which is all I saw). This is a new build house that is only 18 months old. The windows are so badly dirty, you can see the marks at the bottom of the driveway. She has dirty dishes lying all over the place, the units are grimey and covered in crumbs, there's bits of rubbish all over the place and the back wall is just a mountain of laundry (not sure if it's clean, dirty or both!) During the summer my SD won't go in the kitchen due to all the flies everywhere. Her lunch is put loose in her lunch box, which would be fine, if it was cleaned out, but it never is, same with her water bottle. She often is left to drink things that are days old. She tells us she can't even make cereal for herself because she doesn't know where anything is kept (Inc milk) as nothing is put away.
I have been told (by both my husband, SD and other family that have been there) that the rest of the house is the same and in places even worse, with the bath water being left in so long it's gotten slimey and there is a perminent pinkish line around the bath from the dirty water. There is often no toilet roll or soap. When she is bathed at our house there is always a layer of dirt left in the bath afterwards.
Her clothes have never come back clean and she has marks in her collar from the dirty coming off her neck. When her mother has washed things, they often come back the wrong colour. There are no coat hangers and I doubt she even has a wardrobe. Several times my SD has fallen due to clothes and other things strewn all over the house. My SD doesn't know where her underwear is to change it herself so often has to wear dirty for days on end and frequently returns with stains both front and back of her undies. Her socks are always brown on the bottom from walking across the floors. When my SD was 6 she came back in knickers aged 2-3 and often other items of clothing too small for her (she is above her age for clothes). This week she has this week returned in a skirt 4 inches to small in the waist, which was bought from a charity shop and not washed before she wore it.
They have a house cat. Shortly after moving into the house the cat was locked away in my SD's bedroom and has used her bed and teddies as a litter tray, so my SD sleeps in with her half naked mother. The cat's actual litter tray is overflowing and barely changed.
We don't let her take any toys to her mothers as everything gets lost, including her school books.
Add into this that her mother smokes and she comes back stinking of cigarettes.
She also keeps her off school sometimes because she can't be bothered to wake her up. She has no bedtime and quite often leaves to visits her Aunty at 9pm.
My SD has undiagnosed tichrochillamania (compulsive hair pulling out) which is not helped by the two polar opposite lives she lives.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea. Is this enough to report to the authorities, and which authorities do we call? I have had enough of trying to battle my step daughter into a routine and we feel it's 1 step forwards with us and 2 back with her mother.
Please help!

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SpinneyHill · 18/10/2019 18:32

How is she being kept off school quite often? Surely after the first time DH would have said OK we'll have her during the week and she gets one school day and the weekend.

You seem to be doing nothing

HeckyPeck · 18/10/2019 18:45

I would start with the solicitor and report to child services if that is the official legal advice. If it is as bad as you say, I would make sure this happens before the child returns to the mother’s home.

Agreed. Your DH needs to get legal advice and apply for full custody ASAP.

minesagin37 · 18/10/2019 18:55

Well it's all very well but.... Stop posting on Mumsnet and do something nice like offer to help or phone SS.

myolivetree · 18/10/2019 20:06

Wasn't OP actually asking for HELP????!!!!

She can't do right for doing wrong. From both sides! God if she ever comes back fair play to her.

Surely if you are interested in helping this child posters could give some direction or suggestion? Dear God.

And this?!! Just to kick off. Legit about as mean and snarky as it comes.

@MarmiteOrGoHome
No need for "bio-mum", you aren't the child's adoptive mother.

What has her father done so far?

SnugStars · 18/10/2019 20:36

A call to the NSPCC might be a good idea for advice. Maybe having her at yours full time but allowing Mum to keep the benefits for now might work? If that’s all she’s interested in, she could have her for a day without an overnight stay to keep contact.

bluebluezoo · 18/10/2019 20:45

If he has parental responsibility the child can decide to live with him.

She will have to take him to court for access.

The default is always “live with the mother” and have the father apply for access. There is absolutely no reason why a child can’t live with their dad and let the mother “fight for their child”.

Tbh I’d just not return the child. If you have her 4 days you should have sorted main residence, cb etc out ages ago. So many men seem conditioned into the mum having the child, even when it’s clearly not in the childs best interest.

SandyY2K · 18/10/2019 20:47

I cannot believe people are advising you just to ignore it and send the girl back for more of the same

Me neither. Ppl coming up with a million and one excuses for the living conditions... you know what...the why doesn't matter...it's getting the child in a safe environment for that's important.

If the genders were reversed, there would be no excuses for a father neglecting his child like this...but here you get someone suggesting they pay for a cleaner once a week. Seriously!

Like that would really solve the entire issue.

TrainspottingWelsh · 18/10/2019 20:48

Report it. Whether ss investigate further or do anything immediately is another thing, but it could start the process of helping dsd, and if relevant offering suitable support to her mother.

Dsd had a similar home with her mother. Admittedly in her case it was just another symptom of a bigger problem, rather than straight forward neglect. Dp alone before I was on the scene, and both of us after tried helping. Private counselling, cleaners, childcare in her time, courses, significant amounts of money for her separate to dsd etc. But essentially they never made any difference, and dsd has lived here full time most of her life. Dp and I both sometimes wonder if he'd initially gone down the route of 'siding' with ss, instead of trying to support her mother, whether it might have turned out differently. At the least, we would have got full custody earlier

Span1elsRock · 18/10/2019 20:52

I think you need an honest discussion with your DH about this. Is he concerned, or not bothered? And then decide where to go with this together - I'd initially go with contacting SS and express your concerns.

No kid should have to live in chaos and squalor - it already sounds like it's causing problems for her. Poor kid.

mintcorneto · 18/10/2019 21:27

I can't understand how her father can allow her to go back to live in those conditions each week. Appalling

CookieDoughKid · 18/10/2019 21:35

What happens if your dh doesn't drop her back? forcibly try this route. Say to the mum she can keep her child benefit but your have step daughter more during the week. I'd also give step daughter some extra emergency supplies of wetwipes, hand gels, mini tissues, multivitamins, cereal bars, socks and pants and keep in her overovernightn ll bag at all times and just replenish weekly. Socks and pants just buy in bulk from the £1shop.. Honestly it's a short term solution but at least it is providing some basics I wouldn't bear thinking about.

RhinoskinhaveI · 18/10/2019 21:41

This is heartbreaking if I was the non-resident parent here I would be beside myself, I would be doing everything I could to make sure she spend as little time as possible in those squalid conditions

converseandjeans · 18/10/2019 21:45

That sounds horrible - yes report. Also in the meantime can you speak with school & perhaps she could keep a small bag of uniform and underwear to change into? Then either you or DH collect and wash/change the stuff in there?
Maybe encourage her to bring stuff with her that can be washed? Poor child. It must be horrible for her. The smell of the cat littering on her bed must be vile.....

scrawnybutscrumptious · 18/10/2019 22:04

I think you have to trust your instincts and call SS - Anonymously of you must. They'll then check on them and offer support if they deem it necessary. They might not do much, sadly, and class it as 'good enough' parenting, but perhaps it'll give the mum a jolt and she'll up her game wrt housework.

Elieza · 18/10/2019 22:09

You can’t ignore. Imagine something awful happened, you’d blame yourself for the rest of your life.

The child is suffering neglect.

Report what you know to social work and the school. They will probably be aware already from her dirty appearance and the fact she is not thriving that something is wrong.

Wait until you know they have been out and then report cat to the rspca if in England and Wales or the sspca in Scotland so they can rehome the cat or ask if you can have it at yours instead, which she may be glad of.
That way it will be presumed it was nothing to do with you and the school or social work must have phoned them about the cat. If that makes it easier on you. The poor creature is suffering too.

The woman clearly can’t look after herself let alone a child without support which she is apparently unable to ask for. This will ensure she gets the help she desperately needs.

Please don’t do nothing.

C0untDucku1a · 18/10/2019 22:26

Poor girl. People doing nothing to help her but telling themselves theyre doing everything they can.

elizalovelace · 18/10/2019 22:43

Why would you have a child with a man who lets his first child live like that?

TARSCOUT · 18/10/2019 22:44

Has this been going on for 4 years or just started. If 4 years then everyone should be ashamed of themselves for letting this situation continue, particulary as you all seem to know so much about what goes on. If it has just started and there is an awful lot of specifics here which I assume come from SD - sure she isn't a bit jealous of her new sibling? If everyone is so happy to talk about the state of the house does anyone want to help mum out. If not dad needs to get his act together and remember he has two DC.

ChongADong · 18/10/2019 22:50

43elizalovelace
Why would you have a child with a man who lets his first child live like that?

Fucking hell....yeah, let's ignore the child neglect and focus on that shall we Hmm

RhubarbFizz · 18/10/2019 23:02

You could pay for school dinners every day then at least a dirty unwashed lunchbox and not fresh water would not be an issue as for £2ish a day it would all be provided and less stress for everyone?

KellyHall · 18/10/2019 23:26

Call NSPCC for advice.

It is possible for fathers to be awarded custody by the court, if that's what you and he want (how could you want anything else?!)

NeverTwerkNaked · 19/10/2019 00:05

Maybe her "bio-dad" could pay for a one off clean? That way he can help his daughter be able to have time with her mother in a pleasant house.

Or maybe her "bio-dad" could speak to NSPCC?

BeesKnees4 · 19/10/2019 00:16

Stop excusing the mother, guaranteed if this was mum talking about dad and step mums house being a shit tip there’d be no excusing going on. MN need to stop the hypocrisy.
Get this reported and/or don’t hand her back and tell your DH to stop being a shitebag.

Blankscreen · 19/10/2019 00:27

I think it is clear the op was posting for advice on behalf of her and her dh. So stupid comments about what is your DH doing really don't help anyone especially the poor child.

Op the circumstances you describe are wrong you know they're wrong.

Personally I would report to SS and see what happens 2 weeks max. In that 2 weeks I would pack clean knickers et .for her and tell her to pack the dirty ones back in the bag and you will wash them

The school dinner idea is a good one and the. There is no needy for a filthy lunch box.

I'd they SS do nothing I would refuse.to send her back. Email her with written evidence for your reasons and be prepared to fight it in court

TottieandMarchpane · 19/10/2019 00:29

I think it is clear the op was posting for advice on behalf of her and her dh. So stupid comments about what is your DH doing really don't help anyone especially the poor child.

Not really (although that wasn’t my comment.)

She tells us her DH has tried everything short of outside intervention.

So, really, she doesn’t need to ask us what to do next. It’s obvious. The mystery is why he’s not doing it.