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Poor living conditions at bio mum's house

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MrsHoldcroft3008 · 18/10/2019 12:34

My step daughter (SD) is 8 years old and me and her dad have been together 3 years, married 1 and now have a 4 month old. She lives with us 4 days a week and her mother 3.

I have recently been to her mother's house to pick something up and was completely appalled at the state of her kitchen (which is all I saw). This is a new build house that is only 18 months old. The windows are so badly dirty, you can see the marks at the bottom of the driveway. She has dirty dishes lying all over the place, the units are grimey and covered in crumbs, there's bits of rubbish all over the place and the back wall is just a mountain of laundry (not sure if it's clean, dirty or both!) During the summer my SD won't go in the kitchen due to all the flies everywhere. Her lunch is put loose in her lunch box, which would be fine, if it was cleaned out, but it never is, same with her water bottle. She often is left to drink things that are days old. She tells us she can't even make cereal for herself because she doesn't know where anything is kept (Inc milk) as nothing is put away.
I have been told (by both my husband, SD and other family that have been there) that the rest of the house is the same and in places even worse, with the bath water being left in so long it's gotten slimey and there is a perminent pinkish line around the bath from the dirty water. There is often no toilet roll or soap. When she is bathed at our house there is always a layer of dirt left in the bath afterwards.
Her clothes have never come back clean and she has marks in her collar from the dirty coming off her neck. When her mother has washed things, they often come back the wrong colour. There are no coat hangers and I doubt she even has a wardrobe. Several times my SD has fallen due to clothes and other things strewn all over the house. My SD doesn't know where her underwear is to change it herself so often has to wear dirty for days on end and frequently returns with stains both front and back of her undies. Her socks are always brown on the bottom from walking across the floors. When my SD was 6 she came back in knickers aged 2-3 and often other items of clothing too small for her (she is above her age for clothes). This week she has this week returned in a skirt 4 inches to small in the waist, which was bought from a charity shop and not washed before she wore it.
They have a house cat. Shortly after moving into the house the cat was locked away in my SD's bedroom and has used her bed and teddies as a litter tray, so my SD sleeps in with her half naked mother. The cat's actual litter tray is overflowing and barely changed.
We don't let her take any toys to her mothers as everything gets lost, including her school books.
Add into this that her mother smokes and she comes back stinking of cigarettes.
She also keeps her off school sometimes because she can't be bothered to wake her up. She has no bedtime and quite often leaves to visits her Aunty at 9pm.
My SD has undiagnosed tichrochillamania (compulsive hair pulling out) which is not helped by the two polar opposite lives she lives.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea. Is this enough to report to the authorities, and which authorities do we call? I have had enough of trying to battle my step daughter into a routine and we feel it's 1 step forwards with us and 2 back with her mother.
Please help!

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PerfectPenquins · 18/10/2019 14:19

So realy bio dad hasnt actually done much at all then as this has continued for years. Why not step it up and go back to court? Why so desperate to keep things away from the authorities?

stucknoue · 18/10/2019 14:19

Contact social services. She could live full time with you and only visit her mum during the day for her own sake, potentially a contact centre if conditions are that bad - sounds like the mum needs social services intervention for herself too

readitandwept · 18/10/2019 14:22

Why is your husband seemingly prioritising his ex's feelings over the welfare of his vulnerable child?

Ravingstarfish · 18/10/2019 14:25

The child's mother could well be suffering from severe depression or other mental illness. If you & your husband are concerned then consider asking her if you can pay for a cleaner maybe once a week for a few hours after an initial deep clean*

Depression is not an excuse to be a shit mother when you only see your kid 3 days a week. Op and husband shouldn’t pay for a cleaner, they should get full custody and sd can see mum eow if she gets help

saywhatwhatnow · 18/10/2019 14:37

Her dad needs to step up and be a father. Her needs and welfare have to come first. He needs to alert Social Services to the neglect she is suffering at her mothers house, and seek the advice of a solicitor to gain full custody whilst her mother is given the support she so clearly needs to be an adequate parent. An messy house is one thing but over my dead body would any child of mine be sleeping in a bed with animal faeces, wearing dirty inadequate clothing and not being fed properly. The hair pulling is a huge sign she is under massive stress!

longtimelurkerhelen · 18/10/2019 14:41

Your husband should be classed as resident parent as you have her for 4 days a week. Who gets the child benefit? I always thought it was the parent where the child spends the most time.

Does your sd want to live with you full time? I think if the slattern mother is just having her for the benefits she gets, you will probably have to go to court.

I suspect if she did live with you full time her hair pulling out would dramatically reduce. She is getting to an age where she will feel shame at being dirty, other children will notice.

I would phone SS and give them as much evidence as you can gather. Poor girl.

SandyY2K · 18/10/2019 17:17

This is a clear safeguarding issue and failing to do anything is failing the child.

I don't understand ppl saying step back. I couldn't step back if this was a random kid, never mind my SD.

You can make an anonymous report and SS will hopefully look into it.

Does this sit well with her dad? Is he concerned?... because it seems like both parents are currently failing her.

KindnessCrusader · 18/10/2019 17:22

...she has this week returned in a skirt 4 inches to small in the waist, which was bought from a charity shop and not washed before she wore it.
How on earth could you possibly know?!
...so my SD sleeps in with her half naked mother.
So?!

Starlight456 · 18/10/2019 17:22

I think your dh should approach Ss. If he has her 4 days a week he is rp.

SleepingStandingUp · 18/10/2019 17:28

What can you do? Tell your partner to step up and protect his child. He asked if he could have her more days as Mom was neglecting her, Mom said no so Dad said OK?

codenameduchess · 18/10/2019 17:35

So your dh spoke to the mum and she didn't listen. What did he do next? Give up?
Of course you can call SS but what then? How much is your dh willing to step up and help his daughter and her mother. What you describe sounds like she has some underlying physical or mental health issues.

Also, how do you approach with dsd? do you belittle her mother or comment on the state of her clothes/hygiene in front of her?

Embracelife · 18/10/2019 17:39

Her dad can take her to gp and refer to camhs for psychology support .they will involve the mother too and may refer to safeguarding. Focus on the child who needs psychological support

BillieEilish · 18/10/2019 17:44

Sounds terrible the way you describe it, but you said yourself you only saw the kitchen.

We can all have messy kitchens at times, mine can be messy after I cook, which I do from scratch every night, a complete tip. My DD is slim and wears underwear I bought her at 7, she is 11 with a tiny bottom! I sleep naked. The cat thing is disgusting, but again, how do you know?

Also agree with previous poster, how can she have grime rings on her neck after only a few days without a bath? How do you know about the state of the bath?

You would sound disingenuous to SS, they would immediately ask the same questions as me.

Also, FWIW I had tricholomania for decades, it is not to do with stress necessarily, at all.
Your exaggerations are diluting your main points.

BillieEilish · 18/10/2019 17:48

Also, what 8 year old really needs a wardrobe and hangers? With my DD it's all leggings, school uniforms, swearshirts/tshirts, underwear etc, folded in drawers.

At 1 month she had a wardrobe with hangers! Not so much now. She despises dresses.

BillieEilish · 18/10/2019 17:49

sweatshirts not swearshirts. I promise she goes to a nice prep school.

holidays987 · 18/10/2019 18:03

He is doing everything he can, without contacting the authorities.

'Bio-dad' is not really doing what is required then, is he. Why is he allowing this to continue?

If the child is being neglected and left in filth surely it's time the authorities were informed and ensure they look into it he situation. Otherwise he is enabling this, If it's as bad as your OP states.

Lovemenorca · 18/10/2019 18:13

This child is being let down by BOTH her parents
Her mother’s negligence
Her father’s ineptitude in responding to the situation

Purpleartichoke · 18/10/2019 18:14

Her father needs to hire a solicitor and get full custody with visitation only. There can be a plan put in place for the current split to return once the house is not a health hazard. Things like dirty windows are not a big deal, but cat feces, spoiled food, etc is an imminent health hazard.

I would start with the solicitor and report to child services if that is the official legal advice. If it is as bad as you say, I would make sure this happens before the child returns to the mother’s home.

Lovemenorca · 18/10/2019 18:16

I find it interesting (and concerning) that you have been a party to this scenario for 3 years

And only now seem to be limbering up to do anything

No coincidence that you have a 4 month old and i wonder whether you are now more irritated by what this means for you?

HollowTalk · 18/10/2019 18:17

I can't imagine sending my child back to live like that.

I wonder though about your husband - was his ex living like that when he was with her? Is there a new man around now?

BillieEilish · 18/10/2019 18:19

Lovemenorca agree entirely.

PlatoAteMySnozcumber · 18/10/2019 18:22

I can’t understand why her father has allowed her to return to such appalling conditions. Why do you need social services to do anything, what would you like them to do? I would be keeping my DSD after contact and not returning her to the family home while making an emergency residence application. Take the initiative and don’t wait for a government agency to intervene.

BillieEilish · 18/10/2019 18:28

I would simply be worried that if the situation is as you describe, as to why I have had a DC with a man who let's his firstborn be left to live like this. Sad

Poor thing. New half sibling to cope with too. You all sound pretty lax tbh.

flapjackfairy · 18/10/2019 18:29

I can't believe that people are excusing the mother here. Yes we all have messy houses at times but we do not have cat faeces on our child's beds and expect them to eat rancid food. I am a foster carer and have had children in my care who have been removed from similar conditions and of course it is neglect ! In fact my adopted child cane from a v similar household so yes report to soc Ser and keep reporting it. I cannot believe people are advising you just to ignore it and send the girl back for more of the same.

SpinneyHill · 18/10/2019 18:30

If shes only there 3 days a week I cant see SS being as appalled as others think they will be, plenty of kids have to endure shitty parenting with their dad as the NRP and SS attitude is that the decent care they get balances out the shitty care.

What were you expecting to hear from us? Well done for not living like you have problems coping with the basics as Mum clearly does

I also have doubts as to your descriptions I don't see how 3 days a week is leaving her looking like shes been abandoned for weeks which your descriptions would be appropriate for.

If your dh wants full custody go to family court and apply for it, he got 4 days. How did she cope with that was it mutual? If he had serious concerns why did he agree to her being with mum so often?