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How long a holiday would you be happy with?

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Longholiday · 28/07/2018 11:31

Just a question really to see if I’m unusual and unfair in my feelings or if others would also feel like this.

DSD12 does not usually come on holiday with us - entirely her choice. This year she would like to - fine. However dh wants to go for 3 weeks. I feel that’s too long as a. She’s not used to being away from home b. She’s a lovely girl but I’m only used to having her for a couple of days at a time and I feel it will be too much for me. I think 2 weeks is more than enough.

I just want to know if I’m a terrible stepparent for thinking 3 weeks is too long or if there are any others out there who think they would struggle with this too?

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takeittakeit · 03/08/2018 18:25

non resident children

fontofnoknowledge · 04/08/2018 10:53

takeittakeit I find your stance very difficult to understand. It seems to be all about 'fairness' for the sake of it rather than 'what is actually fair'** in reality. Your last post also shows absolutely no understanding of what it's like to HAVE to share with step siblings that , but for your parents falling in love with each other, they would never seek out as friends and yet are expected to embrace these children with enthusiasm.

You seem to forget that the majority of Non resident children (at their fathers) are resident at their mothers. My children get 'more' from the household they live in, but 'less' as part of their dfs family. My Sc get 'more' in their household and less with us. (Only now the eldest are with us so now receive 'more' from us). It is the nature of divorce.

The over concentration on material luxuries is to take the focus off what is actually important. In my experience- as long as they get the goodies (phones, iPads, trainers, holidays etc) from someone, they really don't care who it is. The only people keeping count are the combative parents looking for ammunition to throw.

So back to Fairness, vs What is fair. This is the scenario.

Janet in new marriage to John. Janet has 3 kids. John has 4.
Janet and John both work full time. Earn roughly the same. After mortgage/bills/ Cm there is just sufficient to live on until the next month.
Janet receives CM and has small savings. This gives her slightly higher disposable income for a holiday.
Janet has a friend with a Gite in France. 3 beds. Mum can afford the mates rates , and ferry crossing. Plus spends for a week. Resident children haven't been on holiday for 2 yrs as both parents subscribed to 'equal treatment' and couldn't afford anywhere with 7 kids.

So the 3rd year together panned out like this.

Non resident children live in a household with much higher disposable income. Their stepfather has no children at home (all grown up and independent) and is very high earner. Children's mother doesn't work but receives monthly child maintenance. (From my DH. This is an agreed amount above CM basic). Step children's grandparents also wealthy and very generous.
Step children go on foreign holiday with mum and step dad, followed by ten days at all inclusive resort with lots of activities, with grandparents. ( thrilled for them it sounded amazing and their GP's are amazing, stable anchors in the children's lives at a time of great turbulence).

So what is fair ?
A. Resident children have to fore go a holiday because insufficient funds for all children to go and NR children could be upset about missing a holiday with dad.

B. Mother takes her children but leaves her husband behind 'on principle' so dad isn't seen to be having fun without them. Mum has a hugely diminished holiday experience doesn't enjoy it without her new husband (it was to be their first holiday together). one that she has paid for.

C. Mum and Johns household have a holiday. (In non contact time).

A few years down the line, incomes increase and costs diminish. (2 resident children leave home/have own holiday plans with Uni friends - making the annual holiday 3 of Johns and 1 of mums) 3 Sc now have 3 holidays over a summer. Janets last child at home gets holiday invites from friends, Janet took her away for post GCSE celebration (for a week abroad) and no- did not take my same age step daughter. All in all in now balances out.

To my mind, C is the only possible 'fair' outcome. Having 121 time with your Non resident father is of course important but to my mind that doesn't need to mean a holiday abroad. The children were spoken to about the situation and did not blink. In fact couldn't understand why we hadn't taken mine away for 2 years because of this 'principle'.

We of course did C and the only person to care was children's mother who actively sought out things to complain about - on behalf of the children, even when they clearly could not give a fuck.

The 'expense' of the activity does not mean it is better quality time. In my DHs case, he took a second weeks leave to just be at home with his children, whilst I was at work. He still does this even now we can afford to take them away. It's the time with them that's important not the desperate need to 'divvy up the spoils' so the kids can have a game of 'my mum loved me more than dad did because he spent £723 net less on us over 10years..'

I do not understand why people who criticise blended families cannot understand that their are real practicalities that prevent 'complete equality'. It is almost always cost that prevents equality. Given a limitless pot, these 'choices' do not need to be made.
Blended families are normally the result of divorce , where usually the person doing the leaving has to set up home again from the beginning, new mortgage/rent/deposit/ furniture.

In my DH case he felt so guilty about leaving his children (no guilt about leaving their mother) that he gave her the house outright to ensure the children had the stability of their home and no worries about moving /moving schools/losing friends. This was a selfless act but meant he needed to get a mortgage from scratch at 46yrs old with our very small deposit.

We did NOT have own bedrooms for Dsc. we would of liked a 7 bedroom house with a bedroom for all but sadly not possible . We got a 3 bed with a dining room and a sofa bed and made do. My Sc were NOT part of our household. They were part of our family who visited. With my 2 girls and a boy , The girls shared and my Son had the Box room.
EOW the Dining room got converted into a bedroom for his Girls and boys got the Sofa bed. As they got to know one another/older ones spent weekends on sleepovers, everyone swapped around to give themselves space and some private space when required.

The household is the day to day unit. The everyday costs . The everyday time commitments of work, school, extra-curricula activities. None of these involved step children who visit EOW Friday 6pm-Sunday 6pm (no flexibility tolerated without full scale row). They lived in their own household with their Dm and DSF. When the older 2 left their mother to live with us, they joined OUR household and we adjusted our lives accordingly.

The common parlance that children who visit 4 days out of 28 and need to be treated as integral members of that household is just a nonsense and unrealistic. My children are a part of their fathers family, they (when younger) saw him regularly, when convenient for them and dad but averaged at least a couple of days a fortnight. They were not members of his household. They were much loved regular visitors in the same way my adult children are now to me - as they have their own household.

To pretend that all is the same as it used to be when Mum and Dad lived with their kids in one household , is just unrealistic and simply not true. It's different. Very different and just as with all things in life they will need to adapt and change to the new circumstances. To pretend otherwise, post divorce is a serious case of emperors new clothes. Just saying it, doesn't make it so when it blatantly isn't.

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takeittakeit · 04/08/2018 16:11

No one expects the families to be equal - they are never going to be but on this forum, there is the constant justification that the SCs do not get the same from their father because the resident children need more.

This goes for;
rooms and space
choice of food,
time with their NRP as a family
time with their NRP on their own not sharing
time doing their activities - because it is NRPs time and that is more important
clothes - RP must provide, completely unreasonable to not provide everything all the time because maintenance is paid
holidays - well if their RP takes them away then NRP does not need to.

You quite clearly have written your own scenario and can not see the wood for the trees!

This is about the NRP treating their own kids fairly. Too often on this forum, NRP pays maintenance and everything must come from that and that includes holidays. In your case, RPS new partner obviously spends monies on his SDCs because he can/wants to. Their choice nothing to do with your family unit - you are the one trying to make it equal by not taking the SDCS on holiday so the RCs can have what they have. Jealousy of one part of the split is so common on here - she does not work, part time job, rich new partner etc etc - get over it.

For my DCs, their high earning £100K+ father lived with SM and she had 2 DCS and they had one joint. Holiday time was - we can not afford to take all 5 DCS away and as you have taken them away - we won't.
Now if we were talking all of them on a cheap package to Spain and they were scraping the barrel to fund this no issue. But the approx £600 cost of taking his own 2 DCs to Spain with the rest is not huge.
When you realise that they went to Florida, Barbados, Cyprus, Thailand, US - all inclusive and in business class. What he meant was they wanted luxury and for 5 it was OK for 7 it was not, rather than compromise and go somewhere cheaper - they excluded 2 of the DCS. Completely and utterly wrong.

Believe me they compromised on everything and kids being kids, when one lot came home and realised where the others had been there were tears and questions. Not about the luxury, but about the time and why could they not go aswell. 2 weeks in Barbados - paid for by their Dad ( SM did not work and she let them know!) was not quite the same as a one week package to Spain - and most kids can work that out.Especially when they had had the luxury prior to the split!!

So my DCS compromised on the room - shared single bed in the utility room, time , lost activities and went to watch their step sibs play football, dance etc at the weekend, compromised on food, compromised on holidays - all so the RCs had the same as they had!!!

this is what this forum advocates - that unrelated children get more of the time, monies and resources of a parent who is not theirs because they live in the same house and then the other kids compromise a bit more.

TacoLover · 04/08/2018 20:05

I get where your DH is coming from if you were already taking your 5 year old for three weeks, your shared DC is probably going to be a lot more work than the 12 year old!

llangennith · 04/08/2018 21:00

Three weeks is too long for you and for your DSD. Don't be guilt tripped into it by your DH. He's not thinking it through. At 12 she'll need a lot of entertaining and won't want to do 'family' stuff, and as pp said she'll be wanting to go home to see her friends and mum after a week.
Three weeks' holiday with my own teenagers and preteenagers was bad enough!

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