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DSD - where would you go from here?

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Dollyparton3 · 28/12/2016 12:36

I'll try and keep this as brief as possible with all the relevant background.

DSD has a history of witholding contact with her dad whenever she doesn't get her own way. She won't have a conversation when she is wrong about anything and she refuses to accept any boundaries. She will never apologise for any bad behaviour, she'll just sulk for 6 months and not see us. OH is excellent at taking up the mantle and keeping me out of it.

A couple of weeks ago OH had a big ding dong with her about her social media account (she keeps uploading provocative photos and making her profile public) rather than agreeing that she was wrong, she refused to speak with OH for a couple of weeks and carried on. We had a deal with her months ago that if she did it again, she wouldnt get her allowance for that month. This was all very clear and understood.

At christmas she was horrible to everyone on xmas day. OH had begged her to come to see us, right at the last minute she said she would, once again leaving him treading on eggshells until she arrived at a moment's notice.

On xmas day once she'd arrived, she was rude to everyone. Telling us all she didn't have to be there, she'd only come for the presents and then disappearing to her room as soon as she'd opened them. OH caught her drinking from a bottle of vodka in the kitchen around 10, then when he went upstairs to tell her off she laid into him massively. (She's 16 btw) we've had to buy bottle locks for the house after a few instances of this before and stupidly we'd left this one bottle on the top in the other room.

She was telling him she didn't want to be there, that she felt left out (we'd done everything we could to welcome her and rise above the previous few weeks), that his life was tragic and he was an embarrassment to her, she shouted at him asking him what he was going to selfishly spend her allowance on the next month because he wasn't giving it to her.

The following day we had grandma in tears as she did the same routine. coming down from her room at 2pm to open her gifts then straight back upstairs.

We've tried several tactics this year, rewards for good behaviour, we redecorated her bedroom at great expense to make it feel more welcoming at ours, she's also had a very generous allowance to give her a bit more independence as she told us was frustrated at feeling beholden to us for money when she was with us. She has burnt through this allowance every month ever since and when OH told her she wasn't going to get any allowance in December she told him she wasn't getting any presents for anyone, and she didn't. She didn't even so much as get a card for her Grannie who does so much for her its unreal. She topped this off by saying to her "I can't get you anything because Dad has been a knob". DSS by the way saved his allowance for christmas gifts and really enjoyed shopping for presents for all of us.

A month ago she had an Iphone 7 for her birthday, she asked everyone to combine xmas and birthday money and give it to her. She didn't thank anyone on the day when she opened it, not even by text. Our contribution was £250 to that. I wrapped a couple of very small stocking fillers and then stupidly felt bad and bought her some relatively expensive body lotion and spray. 5 minutes after she opened it and disappeared she tweeted saying how awful her day was and how stupid the conversations were downstairs. I'm really kicking myself for buying her something.

If she was my child I would have removed all the presents from her room, returned them to the shops for a refund and switched the WIFI off. OH went into her room and sat while she screamed in his face for an hour or so.

I guess my question is, what would you do in my shoes? I ended xmas day with an upset DSS, an OH nearly in tears and I didn't sleep on xmas night at all. In my view she is a total bully to OH and he takes it because he just wants to see his daughter. But nobody should be able to treat other people like that, teenager or not. DSS tells us she behaves exactly the same way to her mum at home, and on occasion her mum takes herself into her room to cry as she can't cope with her either. DSS told me on xmas day that DSD was being horrible about me a couple of weeks ago in front of his mum saying that I'm an unfit step-mother, DSS then confronted her and asked her why and she said "she just is". DSS has no problem with me at all I should add and I've never had a falling out with her.

Her mother also won't speak with OH on any level. So a team effort to turn this around is unlikely.

I'm of the view that all I can do is support OH but I really had to bite my tongue whilst seeing all my lovely family around me upset on xmas day. I can't get involved, I can't speak with her as it's not my place but at some point, I'm going to blow my top! Ultimately we've been round this loop for a few years now with ever increasing severity and upset for my OH so is there a way forward that will support him and stop her being such a bully to him?

PS - I came along years after the divorce and there was no third party involved then so he's not the bad guy in her eyes.

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fallenempires · 28/12/2016 15:07

Sounds like it was a really stressful time for all of you.How on earth did you manage to cope as the SM?My situation is that of Mum so alot of the anger,violence,rage,theft is directed at me,her brother & my DP.
She has a poor relationship with her Dad who struggles to deal with her one minute but is then all Disney the next so she lacks the consistent parenting.
DP & I both do our best but it has really broken us down and affected our health.
We are hoping that her now resuming contact with her Dad will continue,I have told her that it is up to both of them to make the effort.XH didn't take kindly to me reminding him that he also needs to parent.

FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:08

Please don't let your OH abandon her, she sounds like she's going through hell.

NewNNfor2017 · 28/12/2016 15:12

Please don't let your OH abandon her, she sounds like she's going through hell.

Short of locking a 16 year old in their home, how do you suggest the OPs DH behaves?
Even treading on eggshells around his DD is causing her unhappiness - as well as the rest of the family.

what else can he do? Giving in to her every demand is unrealistic and clearly not resolving the situation. If she walks out and refuses to talk to him, what can he do about that?

fallenempires · 28/12/2016 15:17

Dolly no you don't sound as if you're having a pop at her faith at all,if that's what she finds comfort in then fair enough.
However it's of no help to DD is it?
Re:School your DP has every right to make contact with them despite what the ex may think or say he has PR.
How on earth do you cope with all this as a SM?

Dollyparton3 · 28/12/2016 15:22

Fallen - at the moment we're EOW so I have been dealing with it with lots of deep breaths so far, but her complete ruination of Christmas has really annoyed me. Everyone works hard all year and looks forward to Christmas, to ruin other people's day when everyone's gone to so much effort (especially me shopping, cleaning etc to make it nice for everyone) has really upset me. Particularly so for my OH and his mum as they really bend over backwards for DSD.

I suspect that for the next visit I may well want to disappear and stay out of it. I'm not a confrontational person by nature but is so hard when people are deliberately nasty to the ones you love

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FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:23

Don't give up. If she doesn't respond to that then that is that but just don't shut the door on her. Has outside help been sought for her? Could you try and get her into counselling or something?

FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:24

I would ask for a meeting directly at school, he is well within his rights to.

fallenempires · 28/12/2016 15:25

Sadly Frank it's getting to the point where it's very much running out of ideas for this family other than saying that 'the door is always open'.
Everybody is being hurt by the DD's behaviour & if I'm honest & were the NRP I think that I too would have to take that line.Just because we're parents it doesn't mean that we can constantly be subjected to this.

FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:28

She sounds like she needs proper, professional help. Yes, there's only so much a person can take but at least you can say you've exhausted every option, not just turned away. What happens if her Mum chooses to do that too? Does she end up out on the streets?

fallenempires · 28/12/2016 15:31

Dolly thank goodness you have some respite from it but I can imagine that you dread those eow.Disgusted that she ruined Christmas for you,I really am.

fallenempires · 28/12/2016 15:36

What professional help is there in all honesty? Counselling through school might be a starting point but that does mean liaising with the HOY which Dolly's DP feels that he's unable to do.

Dollyparton3 · 28/12/2016 15:38

Thanks fallen. Me too. I had a step mum when I was her age who told me she'd had her kids and would have nothing to do with me. I hope I'm the opposite. There's nothing I wouldn't do for these two or their Dad.

But I'd also defend OH in the same way I would her if someone was speaking to her in that way. And that's exactly the way it should be. It's just a question of that defence being strategic thinking and lots of sympathy and love in this case for my OH. Its draining

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NewNNfor2017 · 28/12/2016 15:39

She sounds like she needs proper, professional help.

You can't force someone to receive it though - particularly not a 16 year old who is classed as a young adult.
And, from experience, I know that professionals are reluctant to get involved, even if they believe a child would benefit, unless both parents are supportive.
In our case, the GP refused to refer to CAHMS because the DCs mum didn't agree - he said it would be of limited value without parental support and the DCs would be robbing another DC of the opportunity.

No matter how much the DC may need help she cannot be forced to accept it.

FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:40

There is loads! Go to the GP, reach out to services. If he wants to help her and his DS too by proxy then he can arrange a meeting at school alone, he is well within his rights. Are you all basically just saying to just give up?

Dollyparton3 · 28/12/2016 15:41

I suspect that if OH approached the school he'd never see DSD again. It would be considered to be going behind the mum's back and DSD's back. DSD would go mental and the mum on occasion has been caught out speaking inappropriately about my OH. It's been accidentally channelled through the kids. So I suspect this would be used against him if he tried it.

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FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:42

There's no difference between a non 16yo and over 16yo. I was a troubled teen and spent lots of time being helped by services, they are there. You can at least offer them to her, see how she responds. It's better than doing nothing!

fallenempires · 28/12/2016 15:44

My experience of CAMHS wasn't at all great, they refused to take my DD on citing anger not MH issues.

NewNNfor2017 · 28/12/2016 15:44

Are you all basically just saying to just give up?

No - I'm saying that at 16 years old, the DC has a legal right to walk away from her dad if she chooses and there is absolutely nothing the OPs DH can do about it.

Yes, he can go to the school - they'll listen, be sympathetic but won't intervene unless the DD agrees. He can go to the GP - but the DD is entitled to medical confidentiality.
And he can choose to continue to try and appease his DD, irrespective of the pain and unhappiness it causes others in his life including his other DC. But ask whether that is the actions of a loving father - putting the unreasonable demands of one child ahead of the needs of another?

FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:46

But none of you know if it would help until it's been tried or suggested.

NewNNfor2017 · 28/12/2016 15:46

There's no difference between a non 16yo and over 16yo

You are misinformed. In England and Wales, a 16 year old is no longer subject to all aspects of Family Law. The legal role & responsibilities of the parent changes when the DC turns 16.

FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:48

No, I meant there is no difference between under 16 and over 16 when it comes to reaching out to services. Of course the DD would have to agree but if she did, it could be massively beneficial.

FrankAndBeans · 28/12/2016 15:48

And if the RP decides she doesn't want to put up with the DD anymore either? Then she has no one at all.

fallenempires · 28/12/2016 15:50

Dolly I can appreciate that!My DD was furious with me for involving school,but I pointed out that we needed extra help & felt that it would benefit her greatly if she could talk things through with a non judgemental,neutral professional.

Dollyparton3 · 28/12/2016 15:54

The added complication to that fallen is that DSD is adamant that she's perfect and everybody else is out of order. She refuses to agree at any point that her father has her best interests at heart and is trying to protect her with the online thing. How does that attitude even begin to turnaround into a conversation that points towards professional help?

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NewNNfor2017 · 28/12/2016 15:55

But none of you know if it would help until it's been tried or suggested.

frank TheOPsDP has two DCs to consider.
And their needs may well be completely opposing.

If the OPs DPs attempts to address his DDs issues create additional conflict between the families, then that will impact on the younger DC.

In our case, trying to put support in place for DHs DD resulted in her mother applying to court to prevent all contact with his DS and seeking to remove his PR (a ridiculous idea which was only pursued after she's taken money I'd given DHs DD out of her bank account).

In these situations, it's not possible to do 'what is best' - the aim is to find the 'least worst' option for everyone involved and in this case, the OPs DSD is making her wishes clear even if they are misguided.

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