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Some resources if you are wondering about parentification and spousification

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brdgrl · 03/08/2014 18:18

This is a long post, but I do think it may be useful for some posters; if you think it may be relevant to you, do have a look.

With some regularity, there are posts on this board from stepparents (usually stepmums, but then the board is mainly used by women) who are concerned about what they feel might be an unhealthy relationship between their DSC (usually their stepdaughter) and the DSC’s father. These posts are invariably met with hostility from people who see it as an attack on the DSC. In at least some of these cases, it may be that the poster is observing one of the processess known as spousification or parentification. Having some admittedly non-professional experience with the situation, I am creating this thread to both present a corrective to some ignorance being bandied about on the board, and to offer some resources to posters who may find them relevant.
It appears that people are very uncomfortable with the therapeutic concepts of parentification, spousification, and parent-child boundary dissolution. I suppose they are tough ideas to grasp for some, and so they have decided that these concepts are the creation of bloggers, evil stepmothers, and quacks.

It is very unfortunate, since understanding the concepts, and making a careful judgement, assisted by a professional, about their application to a family’s situation, can make a world of difference for the child involved. It is also wrong to suggest that these concepts somehow “blame” the child; in fact, if nothing else, they surely present an alternative interpretation, based on the idea that the child is NOT to blame, but the family dynamic. This is a very positive idea, as with help and effort, that dynamic can be altered.

The terms used by professionals are parentification and spousification (I've never heard mini-wife except on here myself, and I don't think it is a useful term; there are also clearly a lot of fools confusing it with the actual therapeutic concepts). I am not a professional myself and do not claim to have a practioner's knowledge, but that of someone who has experienced it and read about it. When it was suggested to us that FST might be a good approach, and that DSD had been 'spousified', that was the first I really knew about it. I don’t claim to be an expert, and that is why I am mainly just going to provide resources so that people can do their own research, as I have done. I will add that my DH and I found support in dealing with the issue from Relate and also from a private counsellor, and that was very useful.

Parentification is a widely recognized therapeutic concept, describing a very real dynamic that affects bereaved or fractured families. Those who have identified it and built therapeutic models around it are not quacks or bloggers or people with a degree they bought off the internet. They are highly respected professionals

If I may be permitted to summarize the concept, and with apologies to the professionals - the main issue is that the healthy boundaries of parent/child are lost. The child is treated as a peer and partner, rather than as a child. This often means that the daughter (or son because that happens too) takes over the role of the mother in terms of companionship and decision-making. Many times she also takes over adult responsibilities, such as domestic duties and childcare. Obviously there are many teenage girls who do housework and look after siblings, but this is more than that. It is about the role within the larger family structure and the emotional demands upon the child. Sometimes this happens, for instance, when the mother dies and the daughter tries to fill the gap left behind, especially where the father is not able to adequately maintain boundaries or meet the kids' emotional needs himself because of his grief. It also can happen in divorce or even within intact families.

In other cases, the DSD does not take on the adult household responsibilities, but does take on the role of social partner, and is given inappropriate decision-making powers or included in age-inappropriate activities.

These children suffer from the dynamic, even though it is superficially very satisfying to them. They generally lack good peer relationships, and may suffer from excessive perfectionism; they often feel a great deal of stress and may blame themselves for things that are outside of their control. There may be a strong affect on their ability to have healthy adult relationships. It can be very damaging not just to the child, but to other children in the home, and of course to the adult relationships as well.

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Happybeard · 03/08/2014 22:56

Erm okay, I'll humour you. I'm asking how you manage to conduct yourself in real life scenarios when you can't seem to post a straight comment on this forum without some weird PA back handed statement usually followed with a silly big grin.

It's odd. I also think you're a bully. But I don't expect you to care and I just realised I don't care either so never mind.

Thanks for the excellent post Brd

Caorunn · 03/08/2014 22:56

Why - I am aware from reading some other threads this evening that you and you family have had some truly awful things do to deal with. I am feel deep sympathy for that and can't imagine how hard it must have been.

However please do not assume that every step-mother sets out with good intentions or a desire for a happy family. Because frankly they do not. Some have their own agendas and will pursue regardless of the cost to the children involved.

ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 22:56

Well this is getting confusing.

Can someone just clarify for me, before I go to bed and sleep on it all, whether mini-wife syndrome is a slang term or synonym for spousification, I.e. whether they are the same thing. Or not?

Waltermittythesequel · 03/08/2014 22:58

Happy I think you're confusing me with someone else, to be honest.

I don't recall ever being on a thread with you.

ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 23:03

However please do not assume that every step-mother sets out with good intentions or a desire for a happy family. Because frankly they do not. Some have their own agendas and will pursue regardless of the cost to the children involved.

Hear hear.

Impossible to generalise. SMs encompass the whole range of humanity, just like any other group. Strange to say 'all SMs' do.... anything.

whyonearthdoyouthink · 03/08/2014 23:04

I assume mini wife means the same thing as spousification,; but that's just a guess I've personally never heard the term until this evening and I certainly don't like the term myself - it has over tones I find very unpleasant where as spousification can refer to a child of either gender and a parent of any gender.

Cao I have yet to meet one of these mythical wicked step mums in RL - although I have met my fair share of vilified SMs they have all been despairing and pulling their hair out.

I am sure there are SMs who dont give a fuck, just as there are buo parents who dont care about their children - but I doubt that any of them are posting on mumsnet for support.

ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 23:08

Happy I don't understand you're posts either TBH.

brdgrl · 03/08/2014 23:10

Mini-wife appears to be a phrase that people have used to describe symptoms.

It is not a term used by professionals and I daresay it is used by people who are unaware that there is a therapeutic concept that may explain the things that may account for the things they have observed.

It is not a term I have ever used myself, and I am sure it is used in a variety of ways by the individuals who use it.

The thing about symptoms, you see, is that they are a diagnostic tool. One may have symptoms of measles, but actually have something else. That does not mean that measles does not exist. Or to use a non-medical example, a wet kitchen floor may be symptomatic of a broken pipe. Or maybe the wetness has another cause. But that does not mean that "broken pipe" is a made-up concept, or that someone who regularly observes a wet kitchen floor would not be well-advised to check their pipes.

This is why it seems important for people who wish to post about such things to have some resources for learning, instead of being willfully ignorant.

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ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 23:16

The thing about it is brd is that that isn't what normally happens.

Caorunn · 03/08/2014 23:20

Quite Arsenic - I am very sure there are good, bad and indifferent step-mums the same as every other faucet of society. Let's stop pretending otherwise.

ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 23:22

Noticing behaviours in children, that could be perfectly normal; that could be a normal-range reaction to adult behaviours; that could be part an abnormal dynamic requiring professional help, BUT THEN identifying them as the child's fault, calling it MW SYNDROME, posting online in a condemnatory way - all of this is what I see happening repeatedly in conjuction with MWS label.

Waltermittythesequel · 03/08/2014 23:23

Noticing behaviours in children, that could be perfectly normal; that could be a normal-range reaction to adult behaviours; that could be part an abnormal dynamic requiring professional help, BUT THEN identifying them as the child's fault, calling it MW SYNDROME, posting online in a condemnatory way - all of this is what I see happening repeatedly in conjuction with MWS label

Absolutely spot on.

Happybeard · 03/08/2014 23:33

No one really thinks it's the child's fault. It's just tedious to have to add disclaimers that state the bleeding obvious every time you need a rant.

brdgrl · 03/08/2014 23:35

The literature is quite clear that it is not the child's fault. It is about a problem in the family structure and can be addressed as such.
That is part of why it is so unfortunate that some people wish to remain ignorant about these concepts and to work off what they read on silly blogs. There are a great many reputable and peer-reviewed resources that can be accessed, or people can seek a counselor familiar with the concepts.
There certainly are a lot of ignorant people in the world., I agree with you there. It takes a great combination of both ignorance and arrogance to continue to insist that something is made up when one simply isn't aware of it.
Perhaps if more families could have access to resources, instead of being told that the problem they have observed is all in their heads, there would be less misunderstanding of how these symptoms may have come to be.

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Caorunn · 03/08/2014 23:35

Interestingly not all commentators on spousifcation/parentification view it as a negative for the child involved. It can lead to increased resilience and a clearer self of sense.

it may also be a peculiarly Western concept, with other cultures and lifestyles placing fostering greater resilience in young children at a much younger age. As indeed happened in the West in earlier generation until the the twin luxuries of time and money came along.

i wonder if it only becomes an issue when an other adult becomes involved and resents the influence and control of the spousifed/parentified child.

It is however very distinct to the behaviours deserved here and elsewhere by non-professionals as 'min-wife' like. There is no correlation.

Caorunn · 03/08/2014 23:36

described here rather then deserved here. Bloody auto-correct.

Bonsoir · 03/08/2014 23:36

It's not the child's fault. It is nevertheless a behaviour that needs addressing within the context of the family, and changed.

SDC, like all DC, engage in behaviours that are undesirable, distressing and require change!

GarlicAugustus · 03/08/2014 23:40

What fantastic posts, brd. I rarely visit this board - and ran away last time, as a battle ensued over a situation where the DSD seemed to be 'spousified' but few posters were able to grasp that this is a well-known feature in dysfunctional or disrupted family dynamics. Not only step-families encounter it, but of course the disruptions make it easier for family members to fall into unhelpful roles.

Waltermittythesequel · 03/08/2014 23:40

i wonder if it only becomes an issue when an other adult becomes involved and resents the influence and control of the spousifed/parentified child

I would imagine so as I can't imagine the parent/child involved even realises it?

Brd on this thread at least, nobody has said it's all in your head but there's still an underlying implication by certain posters that it IS the child's fault, IMO.

I would have a lot more respect for someone who said 'I suspect this is happening and I wonder how to make family life easier for everyone' than someone who said 'I fucking hate my sd and her mini-wife antics' (as examples).

There's a vast difference between wanting a solution and wanting to blame a child for your problems.

ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 23:42

I don't think I've seen anyone claim spousification isn't a recognised therapeutic concept brd.

Lots of us have expressed scepticism about MWS, but nobody has proved us to be mistaken in that.

I DO dispute that every person on this board (or even a majority) self diagnosing MWS in their stepfamilies, would have spousiifcation identified if they presented themselves for therapy.

Caorunn · 03/08/2014 23:44

The behaviours that needs changed are not those of the SDC but of the adult who has relied upon them and placed too much responsibility on their shoulders - that is core of spousification/parentification. Not that the child is choosing to behave poorly or improperly, as is suggested by the phrase 'mini-wife'.

ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 23:44

It is interesting that posters here are all agreeing that it is not a child's fault. Threads often give a very different impression TBH.

I've seen words like 'brat' 'princess' 'parasite' 'hate' 'manipulative' for example.

brdgrl · 03/08/2014 23:49

Garlic Thanks I'm glad you find it useful.

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GarlicAugustus · 03/08/2014 23:50

Caorunn - I'd argue that the 'clearer sense of self' gained by a child who's adopted an inappropriately grown-up role will not be helpful to that child as an adult. Denied the usual transition from dependent child to independent adult, she neither gains true independence nor understands healthy inter-dependence.

Some teenagers wake up to the fact that they've been inappropriately parented, although usually without adequate language & frames of reference to describe this. They tend to display stormier, more resentful and more distressed behaviours than average.

ArsenicFaceCream · 03/08/2014 23:50

I would have a lot more respect for someone who said 'I suspect this is happening and I wonder how to make family life easier for everyone' than someone who said 'I fucking hate my sd and her mini-wife antics' (as examples).

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