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TheMumsRush · 15/03/2014 20:56

I'm loosing hart with SP board. I think, like Fenton, I may take a back step. SM's come here for a safe place to rant. To say things they can't in RL. Sometime they know it's not great what they are saying, sometimes they don't, myself included and are looking for guidance. But the one thing they don't need is up themselves people bashing them and being generally unhelpful and downright mean. People who I suspect have a reason to think all SM's home wreckers. People fall in love and no one knows what the future will hold. Rant over

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TheMumsRush · 15/03/2014 23:55

You know the most annoying thing is, if I post, I get comments like "you obviously don't have children of your own"! Yes I do! And so what!

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Pasithea · 15/03/2014 23:56

Here here.

Pasithea · 15/03/2014 23:58

And even if you haven't so what, there are plenty of step parents and adoptive parents without their own biological offspring

TheMumsRush · 16/03/2014 00:01

You missed the point

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Maryz · 16/03/2014 00:01

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TheMumsRush · 16/03/2014 00:04

Pasithea, I read your last post wrong. You are right . There are lots

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brdgrl · 16/03/2014 00:05

amen, Maryz!

When I complain about something my DSC have done, I am likely to hear "well, they're just normal teenagers!"

But when I say "yep, they're normal teenagers - they do shitty things, act up, test boundaries, and are fucking annoying, and I am going to deal with them the way normal parents deal with normal teenagers" - suddenly lo and behold, they aren't so normal anymore, they are precious damaged flowers to be nurtured in a hothouse. Bullshit.

cinnamongreyhound · 16/03/2014 00:09

I think I understood a lot more about what dh ex was feeling when I had ds1, it also made me a little sad as I realised that I love ds1 more than I ever could dss in the first few minutes of his life. And possibly more sadly gave me something to focus on and let go of dss a little to stop me from getting hurt. Dh was happy for my input and care when dss was with us but never stood up to ex about my input into his life in general. I love him to bits and always want the best for him, I also admit I'm a control freak so a combination of those and a child who's life I couldn't be involved in at all was tearing me apart but I see why she doesn't want me around. The fact that dh would rather upset me than her was harder to deal with but she held all the power. There are of course so many more details of their life together, our life together and our life as a 'blended family' a term which I hate!!!

It is also hard to have your own children as their lives are affected by a child that you can't always set the rules/boundaries for. Things are put on hold so that dss can be part of them when it's out weekend which they get used to. And in our situation she is much better off so dss has a lot more than my two will ever have but still gets the same when he's with us which makes me feel guilty!

Pasithea · 16/03/2014 00:14

My H had 4 C when we met, the eldest weren't even his . His ex had left a year before and left him with them all. Step children are challenging but step step children are a bleeding nightmare.

TheMumsRush · 16/03/2014 00:15

The fact that dh would rather upset me than her

Cinn, I've never heard anyone on here say that but that totally how I feel sometimes. I don't want anyone upset, but it's always me.

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TheMumsRush · 16/03/2014 00:17

We need a step step board :)

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JumpingJackSprat · 16/03/2014 00:22

Couldn't agree with you more op. I try and challenge the bad attitude when I see it but its like an overwhelming tide. I wince whenever I see anything step parent related in the subject on active conversations because 9/10 times the op is going to get a bloody good and thorough kicking.

Had anyone on mumsnet ever said to a new mum who is struggling with a newborn "well you knew what you were getting into when you got pregnant" ? I doubt it. I think being a step parent in a lot of ways has to be harder than having your own children.

Pasithea · 16/03/2014 00:25

Yes a step step board in a really bloody high place that you can jump off when you have had phone calls from both biological parents regarding the welbeing and lack of behaviour of THEIR. Children whom they have seen twice in a month.

RedFocus · 16/03/2014 09:31

I don't post for advice anymore, once was enough to put me off for life. I'll give advice if I can but I rarely go back on the thread because someone will probably have bashed whatever I've said because I'm clearly an evil step-mum! (I have my own kids too though)
Feel bad for all of those who need help but are too scared to ask.

Kaluki · 16/03/2014 09:39

I'm starting to feel that way too Mumsrush. I've been here a while and I'm not a new sternum but I shudder to think how first time posters feel when they get such a pasting.
I'm thick skinned now and it's water off a ducks back to me but it makes depressing reading sometimes.

MeepMeepVrooom · 16/03/2014 09:40

People possibly post due to it being in active conversations. To be honest I don't always check what board I'm on.

RandomMess · 16/03/2014 09:52

In the long and distant past I was a (rubbish) resident parent step-mum. It was so hard, I find being a parent of my own very hard too! I have managed to succesfully co-parent most of the time with my first husband since our divorce.

I hate the venom towards step-mums on here. If they ask for advice/opinion on something and I think they could deal with something in a better way I will say it but hopefully with some compassion that it's so hard to get it right all the time.

What very much gets to me is this attitude that the birth/bio/natural mum is always right, never emotionally abusive etc etc. There are many posters on MN who now as adults realise their Mum's were emotionally neglectful and/or abusive towards them so this cohort are clearly wrong! I personally know 3 mums who have been/are emotionally abusive towards their dc and it is their ex-husbands who are trying to do everything they can for their dc. It does happen!!!

Sorry I'm waffling but and parent who thinks they are perfect/always right and their ex and or the step parent are wrong is deluded as no perfect parent of any kind exists.

RedFocus · 16/03/2014 09:53

We definitely need our own supportive thread though Grin
Step-mums anonymous! Wink

catsmother · 16/03/2014 09:55

To be absolutely fair, I have seen something similar to the "you knew what you were getting into" accusation on a fairly regular basis in other areas of MN ...... one is when a woman in an abusive relationship with kids gets asked why she had (more) kids with the perpetrator and another is when someone in financial difficulty gets asked why they have children when they "can't afford" them. In both cases, I feel such comments are rather like shutting the door after the horse has bolted, the OP can't turn back time, and there are a lot of assumptions intrinsic in such remarks i.e. that people's circumstances were exactly the same as the situation they're writing about now and that things can't possibly have changed. I'm always reminded of the "you knew what you were getting into" flung at stepmums then because it's so utterly unsupportive, potentially designed to make someone feel even worse than they already do, misses the point of the OP completely because such replies are designed to attack rather than actually address the issue at hand and imply that people "deserve" what they get because, shock horror, they weren't fortunate enough to have the gift of seeing into the future.

It's funny, because in real life I'm pretty thin skinned and am easily hurt by spiteful goady remarks. Online though I seem to be able to cope with the snipes I've sometimes had on MN - though I get very angry on behalf of other stepmums who I see getting a hard time of it with irrelevant spite thrown at them. Personally ..... I really do feel able to pretty much wash it off by thinking no-one on MN actually knows me, and vice versa, and therefore what do their opinions matter ? Having said that I can fully appreciate that some threads which are derailed by petty criticism would be very upsetting for a stepmum at the end of her tether - and particularly so for someone who'd ventured online for the first time to try and find help and support. IME, most step threads - even those posted elsewhere on the boards (my heart always sinks if I see someone has been brave enough (or naiive enough ??) to post a step related thread on AIBU - are soon enough found by people who do have step experience of their own and who are therefore usually fair and sympathetic, and for me, they cancel out any other posters who seem to be there for no other reason than to shit stir.

I will confess to being a bit of a hypocrite though ..... I'm afraid that although I've never said anything dishonest about my situation, I do "hold back" on both the full details of it on here, and, the depths of my own feelings because it's a public forum most importantly - and could therefore potentially be read by my stepkids, their (awful) mother, my partner, and any other person who might just know the family and be able to identify me. And also, I admit, that although I feel confident enough to cope with any barbs received as a result of what I already post, I don't relish the absolute kicking I'd get if I vented what I sometimes feel in full technicolour glory .... I know there'd be one hell of a lot of pearl clutching if I did that because this situation, more than any other in my life, and one which has been going on for well over a decade and is still having a significant effect on my life (and more importantly that of my child) is one which gives me the absolute rage and the thoughts that can roll round inside my head are extremely forthright and sweary indeed.

Someone upthread suggested the British Second Wives Club (BSWC) and I'd agree that if you want a place to vent honestly, and where you nearly always get great support (if you're being unreasonable, people will let you know, but fairly - without the hysteria) that's the place to go. I've been involved with them and have used their boards on a regular basis for almost 9 years - and perhaps having that place of safety means I'm less likely to feel terribly hurt by any MN sniping ? It's as about a safe a place as you can get .... it's members only and applications are vetted. Members can supply the admin team with the name and address of people (plus an explanation) they wouldn't like to join the site because it would compromise their privacy and potentially cause trouble .... so, your partner's ex might be the obvious example of that, but you could also suggest your MIL or the ex's relatives if, for example, you'd already had them "stalking" you online (e.g. Facebook) and "spying" for want of a better description by passing info about you and/or your life onto the ex who has then used that to cause problems. Anyway, whatever your reason for wanting to block someone else, it's taken seriously and therefore most members feel safe to be very honest - which, in itself, when you are stressed to the nines, is very therapeutic even if the original problem(s) aren't solved. It's true there's no swearing allowed but there are plenty of emoticons you can use in place of swearwords and I think that's a fair exchange - to respect other members who'd otherwise be put off by the language for a place where you can be yourself without fearing someone who wishes you harm is going to find you.

Just to end ...... while I totally appreciate (having been there myself in the past with a cheating partner) that seeing an OW write can be triggering for those who've been cheated on, I don't think that even if someone is an OW that every scenario she might find herself in is therefore automatically deserving of brickbats. I've seen posters who admitted to being OW absolutely vilified when they were seeking help - for example - for stepkids who were being subjected to really bad alienation. Yes - on the one hand you can see the abandoned partner would feel justifiably hurt, angry, shocked etc but IMO there's never any justification for using kids as weapons and damaging them won't achieve "revenge" on the OW will it ? So, you have a poster who admits to doing "wrong" in the past but whose questions about how they can make the future as good as it can be are utterly ignored while she's screeched at along the lines of "no wonder the ex is acting like that". Well .... errmm, okay, but kind of missing the point. Life is never simple, and to be blunt, "shit happens" .... not necessarily right or fair, but surely the only way forward after that is to make life the best it can be for all involved - and of course, particularly so for any kids involved. You can argue till the cows come home about whether or not an affair was "justified" but most people's lives are pretty "grey" rather than being obviously black or white and in the meantime, if you concentrate on attributing blame and attacking the people seen as guilty, the actual reality of the new situation is carrying on regardless and steps which could potentially be taken to help smooth things over a little are being missed because people are too busy arguing. I hope I haven't offended anyone and that some of you reading this will have an inkling of what I mean ...... it's like someone who admits to being OW says I feel very worried about my OH because his ex won't let him see the kids, and instead of her being offered constructive advice about how her OH might handle the situation sensitively, she just gets a load of verbal attacks and meanwhile, her OH still doesn't see his kids, and those kids still don't get to see their dad. Maybe dad "deserves" to be miserable, maybe OW "deserves to be too, but the kids don't and regardless of how badly those adults might have behaved surely the decent thing to do is to offer support for the children in a practical way rather than just say "you shouldn't have done it, and you've ruined those kids' lives" because that solves nothing and while no-one would wish a split upon kids, and especially not a particularly messy one, sometimes, IMO, the best thing is to get on with making the future better given you can't turn the clock back.

That turned into a rather long whitter, but thing is, I don't always think that the state of being OW is relevant to the question in hand. It might help explain why an ex is being so difficult, or causing so much trouble and of course it might explain why children are so hostile. But having established that fact the original question can then sometimes get lost in the flurry of righteous indignation - and all the pearl clutching in the world isn't going to help kids struggling with what's happened is it ?

Theydeserve · 16/03/2014 13:07

Mumsrush -do not stop posting it is educational from both POV.

My kids have an SM and she was the OW and v good family friend. It is quite frankly hell to deal with the situation that my Ex and she, have created for both her DCs, my DCs and now their new addition.

To see the heartache and pain, their actions have caused and still cause to all the children has made me realise they both probably deserve each other,as their selfishness knows no bounds.They are "happy" and everyone else has to live around them!

I read and occasionally post. Usually when someone is expecting a young child ( my DCs age ie, under 7) to have an adult understanding and acceptance of the situation. Can not comment on teenagers as have not got there yet. Some of the descriptions of children on here, are cringeworthy and they upset me to think that someone would and does treat my DCs like that.

I have learnt of different POVS and seen some v good posts with advice from brdgrl, petal02 and others. Some POVs I had not considered and have stopped me from saying something to EX and others I plain disagree with. Sometimes I see that I am considering a course of action and stop myself having read something on here.

I get on with my life, bring up the DCs best I can in a world where I am routinely given 24 hrs notice re contact and comfort my DCs when they cry for their Dad.( not seen him for 3 weeks and he has not called them!)

Petal02 · 16/03/2014 18:47

I've received a good few e-bashings over the years, but overall it's been a real relief to offload to people who (generally) understand.

DSS is now away at Uni; DH and I haven't had a major row since DSS's departure. But for the 7 years leading up to this, it was hard to articulate the frustration of DH's Disney parenting, the obsession of Extreme Rota Compliance, making child care arrangements for young adults, and the general infantilisation of DSS.

I don't know how I got through it.

cappy123 · 16/03/2014 19:40

Thanks for the link to the British Second Wives Club whoever mentioned it!

MuttonCadet · 16/03/2014 20:44

Hi Catsmother, BSWC keeps me sane!

Lostlou · 17/03/2014 11:32

I've just signed up to BSWC so thanks for that suggestion. Perhaps I'll catch up with some of you 'over there' Smile

impatienceisavirtue · 17/03/2014 19:06

I won't be positing for advice on here again either - not when it turns into a really knobbish irrelevant argument about bloody phones! I totally get where you're coming from.

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