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flowerpotgirl12 · 05/11/2013 11:32

Hi all,

Having a general moan as frustrated and tired (being 6 months pregnant is not helping!).

I am getting seriously hacked off at being the only person who can pick up and drop off dsc, they live a 4 hour round trip away from us, so eow or every 3rd weekend, I have to drive at around 7pm to avoid the rush hour and pick them up, then on Sunday evening do the same thing.

My DP doesn't drive and I didn't at first mind doing the journey but it beginning to really drain on me, I get up for work at 6pm daily and am usually tired anyway by the evening, even more so now prg, I have said several times that i am not comfortable doing the journey in the evening as exhausted, esp. in winter as dark, weather is bad and a lot of the route has no lighting so have to concentrate harder. I said it would be easier if we could pick them up first thing Saturday morning. The EXW has said no, either we pick them up Friday or don't see them at all.

I have suggested that perhaps if she could do the Friday drop (she finished work at 3, so misses the traffic) and means that i don't have to do an 8 hr round trip over the weekend, this was met with a no, if he wants to see them he can make the effort, or on the very rare occasion it is agreed we have to pay her!

I guess i am just generally moaning as tired and am dreading this weekends trip. I have said that when i get further along in my prg and when have new born they are going to have to sort something out as not doing it, but so far my general opinion or attempt to change or amend the situation is ignored.

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MiniMonty · 05/11/2013 14:58

I had a similar situation (now resolved...)

ExW moved to Cumbria from London with DS and at first I had to go by train on a Friday night (5 hours), spend the whole weekend in a hotel in Cumbria to see DS then return by train on Sunday evening. As he got older (and I moved to Birmingham), I was finally granted an order for staying contact so I would then drive three hours on a Friday afternoon to pick him up from school then drive three hours back to Birmingham, then the same on Sunday night. (600 miles every weekend, 12 hours in the car) which not only cost a fortune in petrol and tyres, but also meant I was exhausted all weekend (which ruined seeing DS) and most of Monday. ExW was intransigent and refused any kind of compromise. Current partner became pregnant and it was obvious things had to change.

I bit the bullet, spent the money and went back to court.
The court were amazed at what had been going on, immediately made an specific issues order and ExW then not only had to shoulder half the costs but also had to do half the travelling. The order includes the wording "deliver to" as opposed to "deliver up" and that is crucial.

Guess what - within three months DS was on a train on his own being "watched over" by the guard. He was 8yrs and before you all gasp - he was safe with the guard on a bright and modern Virgin train, loved the adventure of it and the independence made him grow as a person. DS now 14 still does the journey on the train and values the time to do homework, read books and chill out after a week at school. At first I would do the return journey with him but by 10yrs he was happier to do it alone.

You clearly can't go on doing this journey - esp when pregnant. My advice is to do what I did - get a lawyer, (it will end up costing you less than the petrol for a couple of trips) write a couple of letters asking for compromise and if nothing gives ask the court for a specific issues order. Your circumstances lead me to believe (and trust me I have a LOT of experience in this area) that her lawyer will firmly advise her to agree to the compromise so as not to appear "implacably hostile" which the court takes a very dim view of. But if she has no lawyer or just refuses simply take her to court (it's actually a very simple process) - no judge in the country will allow this situation to continue. Your DH can't drive, very soon you won't be able to (safely) and the court would never even consider stoping contact with Dad. This leaves her as the only one capable of ensuring contact takes place and if she won't she will fall foul of the court just for that - case solved. Get her into court pronto.

Good luck, it's a process which can be emotionally draining (and costs a few quid) but it must be better than the current disaster.

If you need the number of the best family lawyer in the country PM me.

Petal02 · 05/11/2013 17:22

Minimonty, that was a great post.

JumpingJackSprat · 05/11/2013 17:43

Once you have had the baby and whatever arrangements they come up with are working do not I repeat do not go back to this thing of you driving! ! It's not up to you to facilitate contact.

BatPenguin · 05/11/2013 18:09

Excellent advice minimonty. Sounds like you have a set up that works for everyone.

Flower you need to put your foot down now. You can't spend every week dreading Friday, especially as you're going to get bigger and more exhausted!! She really cannot come up with any valid reason other than 'the kids will be tired' for your DP to collect them by train. This is ridiculous and if the alternative is for them not to see their father I can't imagine any court who would allow it.

Sorry to hear of others who are in this situation, it must be such a strain on you Sad

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Petal02 · 05/11/2013 18:59

DH's ex flatly refused to help out at all with transport, DH accepted this rather than rocking the boat (this seems all too common) and by the time I met him, he'd already made a rod for his own back. Admittedly distance wasn't really an issue, and DH drives, but it's the principle of "if you want to see your child, you do all the running" that drives me mad.

flowerpotgirl12 · 06/11/2013 08:13

MiniMonty thanks, that actually really helps. Will be speaking to DP this weekend about it all.

Thanks everyone, nice to know we're not the only ones in this mess, but hopefully we can sort it out

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Stepmooster · 06/11/2013 08:40

OP, solicitors are great they will waste little time in pointing out to her that if it's too late on a Friday for pick-ups then Saturdays would be best. They will also remind her that as both your DP and his ex know that good contact with father's is always in the best interests of the children she should help facilitate that where possible.

She will not be able to dictate how your DP collects his children, car or train. No court is going to agree with her on that one.

This is a control thing, and her playing up in reaction to your pregnancy. It almost as if she wants contact to suffer, maybe worried that her children will want to spend more time with daddy in order to see their sibling?

boobyooby · 06/11/2013 08:54

MiniMonty has hit the nail on the head ..... very good advice and you now need to get it done. Good luck, court isn't that scary, been there got the tshirt (and now see both DH's kids over twice as much as we were previously allowed too)

Thants · 06/11/2013 09:33

Would your partner move closer to his children? It seems silly to live so far away if you want to co parent. It also means he could see them frequently rather than once or twice a month!

NorthernNanny5 · 06/11/2013 10:35

Great response mini, I found it very insightful myself. I had a little tear at the vision of your Ds off on the train with the feeling of being independent. My 8 year old DS is just like that too.
Sadly there are too many dramas and actions carried out which are derived from deep routed hate/bitterness and not in the best interest on the DC.
What a waste of life to live like this, the shame of it :(

flowerpotgirl12 · 06/11/2013 11:19

Stepmooster to be honest she had been difficult since I started dating him, as long as he was paying over the odds, contact was fine, I think she resents me for the maintenance lowering, he has always paid through CSA, but on top use to pay her tv/cable bill, electric and water bills, but obviously when he started having to pay proper rent and bills again, he couldn't afford to pay for all that, plus she expected extras for clothing money etc. She won't give them a thing to bring with them, so we have a whole set of clothes here for them also, so he doesn't help out with their clothing (with the expectation of school uniforms) at the mums house. She often sends ranty texts how he never offers to pay her rent or bills occasionally and how he should etc. (we are just about able to cover our own) besides, they are not together why on earth would he pay her bills. So since the drop in money the contact and refusal to be even remotely reasonable about it has increased, now I'm pregnant she's got a new excuse to use for how unfair she thinks he is. SO frustrating.

Thants - no we can't move.

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catsmother · 06/11/2013 11:30

I'm sure that most absent parents, when faced with contact and/or travel difficulties consider moving closer to their children, but of course that isn't an easy option when you also have to consider jobs, housing, schooling (of resident children), other family responsibilities (elderly parents) etc let alone issues like negative equity and/or the cost of moving.

In our case, the ex's only "answer" to DP's understandable objection to spending 9 hours in the car EOW so he could actually see his kids was that we should "move closer" - which would have been an impossibility for us. Not least his job sector is pretty centralised and he would have had to have a complete turnabout career wise - god knows into what - and would have dropped 10s of 1000s in pay just like that .... which I'm sure would have gone done very well with the ex when it came to paying a reduced maintenance. Furthermore, she moved, and made all sorts of (false) promises about doing all she could (ha ha ha) to minimise the impact upon contact .... DP had no say in this, and to think that he/we should then uproot on her say so was pretty hard to swallow. The inability to move had nothing to do with him not wanting to see his kids more often, but of course they were told by their oh-so-responsible mother that he "couldn't be bothered", was "happy living so far away from them with her" and "if he wanted to be a real dad he'd have moved closer". Remember, she created the distance, she didn't have to do this. It beggars belief that a separated couple should traipse about the country following one another across 100+ miles because one of them made a selfish, unilateral decision.

Apart from truly feckless absent parents - who'd be very unlikely to spend a great deal of time and money on maintaining contact across large distances - I'm sure that the vast majority who live a long way from their children do so with a heavy heart, but that fact alone doesn't make it simple or indeed possible to move any nearer.

JustAnotherFucker · 06/11/2013 12:24

Not all mums are like this!! OP if I was you I'd simply stop doing it immediately.

My twat ex moved himself 150 miles away in a pique of stupidity after we split and I travelled half way EOW for two years until he moved back to his/our hometown. I did ask "hassle" him for petrol money sometimes but he a) was the one that moved and b) could afford it!

Anyway he's away from the UK at the moment for a while with work but his new partner has still wanted to see ds, well her dcs too I guess. Each time she's called I've insisted that I drive him over to theirs. No way I'd have his gf driving even the 40 minutes return trip on ds's behalf and I appreciate she is a wonderful human being for wanting to see ds still and putting up with a knobber for a partner

Flowers for you. Realise you are being put upon and your dh is allowing it to happen too. Then just stop.

haveyourselfashandy · 08/11/2013 13:05

Why are you allowing yourself to be used like this? I can't believe your dp sends you on your merry way after a full day at work nevermind being 6 months pregnant on top of that.please stop doing this journey it is not your problem.let him and his ex sort it out.I don't think my dp would ever expect this of me,pregnant or not.

notallytuts · 08/11/2013 20:43

I have no useful advice to give really but as an interim solution could you pick them up in the car on the Friday and your DP take them back by train on Sunday? Obviously not a perm solution but would ease the burden on you for now

Thants · 08/11/2013 21:09

No point you moaning you can't afford things he has to suck it up and pay for his kids. They live with her 99% of the time, she is paying for EVERYTHING for them, he should be paying much more if he is not willing to actually care for them and co parent. It his responsibility not yours but to tbh I can't imagine why you would want to have a child with a man who cares so little for his existing children.

BatPenguin · 08/11/2013 21:47

I can't imagine why you would want to have a child with a man who cares so little for his existing children. give it a rest Thants. He wants to see his children, his ex is the one making it difficult for him with bullshit excuses about the train and not picking them up on a Sat morning. And she is not paying for EVERYTHING by herself! He is giving her money for the children, he's just not paying all her bills for her and why should he?

Thants · 08/11/2013 22:03

Batpenguin just trying to see them every 2 or 3 weeks isn't parenting. I see my friends kids more than that! You have to make sacrifices for your children.
He should be paying more because their mum gives them somewhere to home, feeds them everyday, and looks after them all day, every day They both had the children yet she is the one paying for and caring for them.

wannabestressfree · 08/11/2013 22:13

Thants - projecting much?
My ex lives abroad most the year and is home three times a year for a few weeks at a time. We share the travelling as it's the right thing to do and I would want my children to think/ know I can work with the parent they love. I wouldn't expect him to give up his job or move to be near them just co parent with him.
We are no longer together and I wouldn't expect to subsidise me. He pays maintenance and that's it. Why would he pay my bills?
In response to the poster I really think as a precedent has been set regarding her completely unreasonable behaviour I would put new arrangements in writing and talk to a solicitor. I would hate to live day to day on someone else's whims. They are his children. Now is the time to fight x

MadonnaKebab · 08/11/2013 22:57

Thants you are way out when you say the Mum has them 99% of the time

From what OP says, they have the DC about 30% of the time
All half terms, a month in summer, a week at Christmas b
Plus every 2 nd or 3rd weekend for a full 48hrs
And this is all out of school time, when they're at their mum's they're at school a lot of the time
He also gives them a home, feeds them etc as well as paying child support, and I doubt he gets any of the child benefit/ tax credits etc

He should go to court

BatPenguin · 08/11/2013 23:22

Thants so what do you suggest the OP's partner do (apart from give his ex all his money)? He can't drive due to a medical condition and the ex won't allow the children on a train - what is the solution? OP has explained why they live so far away from his children, it's not as simple as 'move closer' for one thing OP probably wants to be near her own family as she is about to have a baby.

Lasvegas · 09/11/2013 01:31

When my dh lived 6 hours away from his kids (due to ex wife relocating) he visited them eow. He visited them no collected them and brought them to our house. he went to them and stayed 2 nights in a hotel.

catsmother · 09/11/2013 09:35

As I said before when my partner's ex moved a significant distance away - though financially, and job-wise, at the time there was no actual need to do so - she completely went back on promises to assist and facilitate contact. DP's only "choice" if he wanted to see his kids was to take on all the time and expense involved in achieving that - regardless of how affordable it was.

This ultimately meant that we had to "sacrifice" our standard of living, or, go into debt, when (a lot of) petrol had to be paid for and we didn't have enough to pay for it. At the risk of "standard of living" sounding precious, I'm talking about us having to cut right back on necessities - like quality and quantity of food, or heating - in order to balance out the money required for him to see his older kids. This meant his youngest being affected - despite the situation having nothing to do with them, and whilst, like most responsible parents, we would try to shield our child from anything adverse there comes a point where it is what it is and you can do no more.

It made, and still makes, my blood boil. It's NOT always about "making sacrifices" - where failure to do so implies all absent parents are living the high life while deliberately choosing to see their absent kids less often. Sometimes there are simply no more bloody "sacrifices" to be made and it's downright morally wrong that we, and other families in a similar position are forced into cutting necessities (never mind bloody luxuries - what's that ?) and/or accruing debt because the parent with care arbitrarily ups sticks without any care for the impact this will have upon the absent parent's ability to see their kids.

(.... and yes, at this point, I know lots of absent parents may well feck off never to be seen again, but that issue isn't what's being discussed right here).

And in the OP's case, as in our case, and as in the cases of many other responsible absent parents, the children do NOT spend 99% of their time with their mother and nor, does she pay for "everything", not least because she receives child maintenance (as well as having a ridiculously low mortgage thanks to the separation settlement etc).

Thants - you are being presumptive, ridiculous and incredibly insulting to OP's DP, who CANNOT drive. Nor will ex "allow" kids on train with him - why the hell not ?? The only solution you seem to suggest is that OP's DP gives his ex all his money ..... with nothing realistic about him actually getting to see them. Children are NOT "pay to view". Yet the ex won't "help" - though it'd be in the best interests of the children if she did (i.e. them seeing their parents co-operating, and of course, them seeing their dad) unless she gets a profit out of the occasion.

With the best will in the world there comes a point in some of these cases where long distance AND an unreasonable ex are factors, where no more sacrifices can be made. Do you think the absent parent concerned doesn't care that they genuinely can't afford to see their kids more often ? Because that's the reality for some parents - through no fault of their own, when an ex has moved without thinking about anyone except herself. You can't get blood out of a stone, and simply "moving nearer" isn't possible for most - good grief, in this climate how many people could just move near to a location of someone else's choosing and get any sort of job just like that, let alone one with similar pay and benefits in the sector they're experienced in ?

flowerpotgirl12 · 09/11/2013 11:17

thants to be honest your replies are pointless and offensive. 1) I am not with a man who doesn't care about his children. he doed and is continuing to try andsort a reasreasonable solution to contact with an ex who is refusing to be remotely helpful. to suggest he doesn't care clearly you have not be reading the posts. 2) she does not pay for everything he pays as per what the csa states plus on top, pays for half of school trips, uniforms, travel cards, and any clubs plus football kits etc. plud as she will not supply any luggage for the weekends we have a wardrobe of clothes for thrm hete. to suggest he should pay her bills is ludicrous. he has rent and bills to pay and is entitled to not live a life of complete poverty so as his ex gets her bills paid. 3) we can't see them every week as my dp works every other weekend to pay for them and himself, we have tyem as often as possible.

I don't know what your problem is but clearly you're going to decide whatever I say the poor ex should get everything and my dp should be left homeless and lonely until the kids are adults.

the both created the children and both what to be involved. she has no right to put these ridiculous restraints on how he collects them etc. and to make things difficult. I've had some great advice on here and we're going to sit down thids weekend and come up with a plan of action and make it clear we are willing to go to court if she doesn't start being more reasonable.

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