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Flaming ungrateful step-daughter!!

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scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 09:19

Hi there, this isn't so much a step problem as such, maybe more a general teenager one but I've made the mistake of posting elsewhere before about my DSD and got a massive flaming for being such a wicked stepmother, so I thought I'd post here Grin where it's safer (looks around sheepishly)

So, my DSD lives with her dad and I 3/4 days a week (7 days out of 14) so she needs a proper warddrobe here rather than carry clothes to and fro. Most of the things we buy her end up straying back to her mum's never to see our door again but that is besides the point and something we're working on (any tips on this would be great!)

Despite us having DSD 50/50, DP pays way over the odds for CM which I suspect is why we have a problem with clothing for DSD whereby he is loath to spend a lot of her as he is already paying out so much.

We have had several conversations where I have explained to him that the fact is, he chooses to pay over the odds. And that is not DSD's fault. As such he just has to swallow the fact that he has to kind of pay for her twice. i.e. once for things at her mum's and once for things at ours. He does get it, he's not a cruel person... but for whatever reason we always end up in a situation where DSD needs things, and he is reluctant to buy.

So that's the background. Anyway, what usually happens is that come a new season, (DSD is 13 and growing like a weed so needs new things all the time!) I notice she needs new clothes and ask her to come up with a list of things she needs (either by herself or we do it together) so that I can take her shopping. This is out of my own pocket and so not something I am obliged to do (DP and I keep our finances seperate). I explain that it is about getting her a new wardrobe of sensible things that she can mix and match and that will get her through the season.
What I want her to think is; "that's kind, SM doesn't have to do that for me but she cares about me and wants me to feel at home so has offered to take me shopping. I'll do as she says and think of a way to spend her money wisely, oh and I should probably say 'thank you' too"
What i actually get every time (and.I.never.learn) is something like what I got this morning on text

Me: Good morning gorgeous, it's getting really cold and you'll need a new wardrobe here. Can you have a little think and put together a list of things you need - you know the drill, not one off expensive thinks that don't go with anything, but some sensible stuff that will see you through the cold winter. If you can show me that you can be sensible then I'd love for us to go on a girlie shopping trip at the end of the month and i'll get it all for you xxx"
DSD: "can we get it all from Hollister?"
Me: "haha you're funny"
DSD "I don't see why we can't?"
Me:"because a jumper in Hollister is about £60 and you need a whole wardrobe, not just one jumper"
DSD: "Will you at least think about it?"

and so on and so on.... so I am left feeling like my offer has been thrown back in my face and isn't good enough for her. We will now get locked in to tense negotiations, I'll be bombarded by emails with links to Hollister this and that, her mum will be on the phone saying that if I pay for half of a Hollister jumper for her, she'll pay for the other half... DSD will eventually agree to give in and we'll go shoppoing for the "sensible" wardrobe but the trip will turn out to be a ruse to get me to go to Hollister where she'll beg and plead with me and eventually I'll tell her she's a spoilt brat and sulk off home.
On occassion it will result in me giving in and buying an item for her, feeling really good about it because i know how much she wanted it, and then watching her forget all about it 2 seconds later, start asking for something else, take the item to her mum's and leave it there and we're back to square one with nothing for her to wear when she's here.

This is what always happens. Why do i get involved???!!! And most importantly, now that i've started it all up again, how do I stop it in it's tracks before it gets out of hand?

I can't get over how spoilt she is. I would be mortified if my DD treated her step mum in this way. I know a certain amount of it is about being a teenager, but I have spoken to my mum and she said that I was always grateful when I was bought or offered something. I can remember going shopping with my mum and longing to go to the more expensive shops but pretending to be sooo grateful for the top from C&A (what ever happened to C&A..?) thats he got for me.

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MoChan · 20/10/2011 09:58

No advice to offer, really, but sympathy. ANYTHING nice I buy for DSD ends up at her mum's house and all her ragged, past-it stuff ends up here. We are like you - OH pays a lot to ex to cover all DSD's expenses but then she is with us 50% of the time, so it feels like I AM being generous when I get stuff and it's hard not to feel vexed when there seems to be no gratitude about it. But the no-gratitude thing is just a teen thing, maybe? Personally, I was a very grateful, scared-to-ask-for-anything sort of teen, but I know lots of my friends were a complete pain at that age.

My DSD is a bit younger, so less 'teeny'. We sometimes look for stuff on eBay together (new without tags, that sort of thing) so that she can have some of the labels she is (already! at age 9! Makes me sad) interested in having without breaking the bank...

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fluffythevampirestabber · 20/10/2011 10:00

I have two older boys MJ and certainly on the clothes front boys are much much easier [hgrin]

I have 12.5 years from DS1 to DD2 (4 kids total - DS1 DS2 DD1 DD2)

scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:07

It's nice to see your point of view as a SC cob We have a considerable amount more money than DSD's mum. But that is because we work hard for it.
DSD often says we are "tight" as in her eyes we are "rich" (we are not!) DP and I have kind of capsule wardrobes so each item is fairly expensive but lasts us years. I have hidden things that i have bought from DSd because she gets in a massive sulk if she sees I have bought something expensive. I recently bought some Jack Wills PJS and she went on and on about how unfair it was. I didn't rise to it at all. But I felt like shit let me tell you.

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HattiFattner · 20/10/2011 10:08

oh the whole brand thing rolls eyes.

I specify what I will buy for my DD (14).

as in "I will buy you bras x 2 (£20), knickers x 5 (£10), PJs x1 (£10), jeans x3 (£50), warm hoodies/jumpers x3 (£50), a coat (£30) and some boots (£30). For this, we have a budget of £200. Go look, tell me what you want for that budget, but it must include all those things. If you want a hollister jumper, then you are going to have to have primark pjs/jeans and an asda coat. Your choice. Once you have made up your mind, come get me at starbucks and I will review your decisions. "

If left to her own devises, she would buy a low cut black lace dress and a pair of jeans, and then be freezing from thereon in.

Id also drop heavy hints that as the big fat jolly man in red is only 10 weeks away, she might want to show you said jumper as a possible nudge.

fluffythevampirestabber · 20/10/2011 10:12

Do we all have the same DD/DSD and she is swapping between all our houses do you think? [hwink]

scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:14

hatti that sounds really good (particularly the starbuck, although can I adapt to "wine bar"? [hgrin] ). I'll give it a go. Maybe if she takes her friend they will see if as an adventure to find stuff with in the budget... and with me not by her side with my wallet, she can't nag..

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fluffythevampirestabber · 20/10/2011 10:16

Hatti I am so going to use that technique next time I take DD1 shopping. I think it would help with a lot of the stress plus I can sit and drink coffee [hgrin]

scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:22

fluffy maybe, maybe! It does seem to be a general teenage thing. While I've been writing I've had 3 texts about Holister and a suggestion to "check my email" [hangry]
Mostly [hangry] at myself for managing this all wrong again !!

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fluffythevampirestabber · 20/10/2011 10:25

Let her email away to her hearts content.

Then do as Hatti suggests and tell her the budget, what needs to be got, and let her work it out for herself.

and drink Wine

scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:29

I know I need to get over it and be a grown up but I can't help feeling sad that what was meant to be a kind offer has now truned in to a crap offer and DSD begrudgingly accepting crap clothes off me that she doesn't really want because I'm too tight to give her what she perceives to be what she deserves.

Jesus, if someone (anyone but particularly someone who wasn't actually my mum or dad!) had offered to buy me a whole new winter wardrobe when I was 13 I probably would have combusted!

At least I could take her utter rudeness as a sign that she is comfortable with me.

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HattiFattner · 20/10/2011 10:30

trust me, the bill will still come to more than 200, but at least they get an appreciation of buying a season of clothes.

Id even print off the list and get them to write down where they went and what they liked.

Also, do you give her pocket money? Give her £5 a week and let her use that for accessories or save up to buy Hollister. If she has her own money, its surprising how she will start to learn the value of things. You also have an easy "out" in that when she nags, you can say "Save up your pocket money - you will have enough by the time the sales start."

Oh and Id also make sure that she brings clothes with her....dont be guilted into buying more stuff. If she brings rags, drive her home to go get her other stuff. The petrol will be cheaper than a new outfit every week.

scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:37

She does get £30 a month pocket money but her mum subs her for things so when pocket money time comes it goes on paying her mum back. DP has told her now that if it happens again she won't get pocket money any more.

£30 a month doesn't go a long way though. Patricularly when you think you're a 13 year old paris hilton.

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scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:42

What do we think of this:
-Jeans/leggings/jeggings: 3 items - £50
-Jumpers/ cardigans (at least one long length to be worn with leggings): 3 items - £60
-Tshirts: 2/3 £20
-PJs: 1 pair £15
-Bras: 2 £15

Is that fair?

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scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:42

And tell her she can have the Hollister jumper for Xmas...

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scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:44

That's wehere her dad has to come in MJ. If it's an extra tenner or a whinging DD sulking around the house not able to go out with her mates, he'll go for the former.
That's one of the reasons our money will always be seperate and also why we'd never have children together! I would have the sulking child any day!

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Grandhighpoohba · 20/10/2011 10:44

I was raised spending 50/50 time between parents from about 10, and this wasn't an issue, so I'm trying to think why, to see if it would help.

I think that I didn't have a separate set of clothes that belonged to each house, bought by different parents. I just had "my clothes" and shifted them about each week in a few tesco bags. Didn't bother me, took about two minutes each week to pack. If I didn't bring decent clothes, I didn't wear decent clothes. My parents absolutely would not have bailed me out by buying extra stuff. So I learned to bring my decent clothes with me. I think for this to work, you need to be able to cope with DSD looking like a scruff for while until she stops deliberately manipulating you gets the hint and takes some responsibility for her own clothes.

By 13, I was given a small monthly clothing allowance - I could buy my clothes cheap, or save up for the better stuff, my choice.

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fluffythevampirestabber · 20/10/2011 10:46

I was just thinking about what I'd do for my DD Meg. That sounds fair.

How does this sound for mine (she has jeans already)

Leggings/trousers/jeggings - 2 items £40

Jumpers/cardis/hoodies - 3 items £60

Bras - 3 = £25

And I'll cover the cost of tights etc?

FWIW mine get £10 every other weekend when they're with me - maybe I should up that?

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stuffthenonsense · 20/10/2011 10:46

agh, my teenage DDs are the same, they now only get clothes out of their (increased to cover clothes) pocket money, so if they cant afford it, tough. their dad never buys them anything, not even a blo0dy kitkat, so they have no choice but to take things there..also he doesnt pay a bean in maintenance, he discovered that if you dont work and have the kids stay over one night a week you pay nothing grrr, he then gets his mother to feed them.....so we fork out for everything, and my DH is getting attitude as he is 'tight and loaded' yes we have a very good income, but we also have lots of bills, and a new baby on the way....we just bought them each a new netbook, and still we get attitude.
so i have PUT MY FOOT DOWN...pocket money is only coming if they are polite and do their chores..dishes, keep room tidy type things.
and if they want anything else they are encouraged to sell the clothes they dont wear on ebay in order to pay for more...and knowing how teens are, you know they buy a hollister jumper at £60, wear it twice, its a good place to look for almost new, branded clothes....there are regular parcels arriving here now....everyone is happier.
but stick to your guns, if you have told you will take her IF she is sensible, then do not take her if she will not comply...trust me, if she starts to see you as a mug at 13, when she is 17 you are doomed....(been there done that with step children)

fluffythevampirestabber · 20/10/2011 10:47

(she got jeans and t-shirts and coat and boots and shoes three weeks ago)

flixy102 · 20/10/2011 10:54

I'm just lol-ing at the Hollister bits Grin My DSD wears nothing but that on her top half but she will happily wear primark shoes and cheaper jeans. We (me and her father) as well as her mum and step dad got her Hollister hoodies for Christmas and she's still wearing them now which I can't really complain about as the price per wear must nearly be in minus figures now!
But this year, she's getting an Abercrombie and Fitch hoody which is more expensive again Confused!!!! To be fair, she didn't ask for it outright, I just went on eBay and it was on the search history so I did a bit of sneaky shopping Smile
But I digress....I think your DSD is defo pushing the boundaries so I think you need to get a bit tougher on her as teens will just keep pushing and totally use any kind of guilt trip available to make u feel Sad

scotchmeg · 20/10/2011 10:58

Sounds good fluffy lets tell each other how we get on. Following MJ advice I'm going to run it all past the man before arranging with DSD. I have text her to say "I am at work so will speak to you about htis later"
And yes I agree that in my text it clearly said "if you can be sensible" it didn't say "I am offering to take you shopping regardless of how you behave"

so I have to stick by that.

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