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England football at Euros = Complete & Utter Shite

90 replies

allmycats · 25/06/2024 21:40

What a load of overpaid rubbish. Does anyone think that they are any good ?
They seem incapable of making any effort, or playing as a team:

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Overwhelminglydone · 25/06/2024 23:10

I don’t know much about football at all but what I saw tonight from England was an attacking game, wasn’t it? We had the vast majority of the possession, in their half, we just couldn’t execute. I’d like to see many more shots on goal, even if they are half chances from outside the box. I think Slovenia just defended really well. Most of our attackers were swamped with three defenders at all times. Definitely not good enough from England, with no magic, but don’t you think it was their good defensive play that kept it at 0-0? Happy to be corrected by those more knowledgeable!

friendlycat · 25/06/2024 23:16

Overwhelminglydone · 25/06/2024 23:10

I don’t know much about football at all but what I saw tonight from England was an attacking game, wasn’t it? We had the vast majority of the possession, in their half, we just couldn’t execute. I’d like to see many more shots on goal, even if they are half chances from outside the box. I think Slovenia just defended really well. Most of our attackers were swamped with three defenders at all times. Definitely not good enough from England, with no magic, but don’t you think it was their good defensive play that kept it at 0-0? Happy to be corrected by those more knowledgeable!

The thing is you don’t win games on defending well. You do if you’re 2 nil up. But to win you need to constantly run with the ball and attack. Then you need to convert into goals and break through the defence. You need to have pace, courage and excellent passing. We didn’t have that. Plus Kane doesn’t look on form or comfortable. That’s problematic and due to age now.

Cooper77 · 25/06/2024 23:25

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/06/2024 21:42

Yeah I agree.

Have had a number of conversations with DP over the last few weeks about why apparently brilliant players simply flop when they all get together to play for England

It can’t be the management as it’s the same story every tournament

My theory is they’re (mostly) not very bright and that this is masked when they’re among players from other countries, but stark when all together

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I agree about them not being very bright. I have a theory that we’ve never been any good because of the class system. Hear me out! In the U.K., sport is divided along class lines. ‘Posh’ kids play rugby, golf and tennis; poor kids play football. Now I certainly don’t mean that poor kids are all stupid. I mean that it’s generally the less intelligent kids from those poorer/working class backgrounds who play the game. So we basically draw our players from a minority of a minority.

I don’t think that’s the case in the rest of Europe. I could be wrong, but my feeling is that in Germany or Italy kids from all backgrounds play football. I’m often amazed by the difference between British and foreign pundits, for example. Every tournament there are Dutch or Spanish or German (or whatever) pundits in the studio, and nine times out of ten they speak far better English than the English. And I mean that. I remember laughing out loud once, when a German pundit used Greek mythology to illustrate his point. I mean wtf 😬 . Half the England team couldn’t point to Greece on a map, let alone discuss Greek myth. In fact, many of the English pundits can barely string a sentence together.

It’s the same with foreign managers. They often seem so superior to our managers and coaches - sharper, younger, better dressed, better educated, etc. It always impresses me how continental Europeans manage to be so f-ing classy without having a class system. It also makes me want to despair. You see it especially in France. Go into their equivalent of a Tesco, and then look in the book section. You’ll see French classics for sale - Montaigne, Flaubert, etc. Imagine finding Dickens or George Eliot or Shakespeare in Tesco. Don’t make me laugh - all you see is thrillers, gardening books or the latest piece of garbage by Katie Price.

GoodLuckWithYourMannschaft · 25/06/2024 23:26

Southgate is dull as dishwater.

Look at the managers these players play for at their clubs… Pep, Arteta, Ancelotti. Then you have Southgate, who has never really managed any team except England… who have let’s face it not been more than a group of players from other teams for a long time.

GagCityBitch · 25/06/2024 23:27

HairyChin · 25/06/2024 21:55

Anything to fucking bash the English!

So everyone should root for them even if they’re shite? Alright then

Radiatorrung · 25/06/2024 23:29

You can’t blame managers because they are reliably quite bad!

GoodLuckWithYourMannschaft · 25/06/2024 23:29

Cooper77 · 25/06/2024 23:25

I agree about them not being very bright. I have a theory that we’ve never been any good because of the class system. Hear me out! In the U.K., sport is divided along class lines. ‘Posh’ kids play rugby, golf and tennis; poor kids play football. Now I certainly don’t mean that poor kids are all stupid. I mean that it’s generally the less intelligent kids from those poorer/working class backgrounds who play the game. So we basically draw our players from a minority of a minority.

I don’t think that’s the case in the rest of Europe. I could be wrong, but my feeling is that in Germany or Italy kids from all backgrounds play football. I’m often amazed by the difference between British and foreign pundits, for example. Every tournament there are Dutch or Spanish or German (or whatever) pundits in the studio, and nine times out of ten they speak far better English than the English. And I mean that. I remember laughing out loud once, when a German pundit used Greek mythology to illustrate his point. I mean wtf 😬 . Half the England team couldn’t point to Greece on a map, let alone discuss Greek myth. In fact, many of the English pundits can barely string a sentence together.

It’s the same with foreign managers. They often seem so superior to our managers and coaches - sharper, younger, better dressed, better educated, etc. It always impresses me how continental Europeans manage to be so f-ing classy without having a class system. It also makes me want to despair. You see it especially in France. Go into their equivalent of a Tesco, and then look in the book section. You’ll see French classics for sale - Montaigne, Flaubert, etc. Imagine finding Dickens or George Eliot or Shakespeare in Tesco. Don’t make me laugh - all you see is thrillers, gardening books or the latest piece of garbage by Katie Price.

Oh please!! EVERYONE plays football… including rich kids. Granted if we were talking golf it might be different but the idea that…

…. we only have a pool of stupid people to pick from….

is ludicrous.

PinkDreamer · 25/06/2024 23:32

You mean England men are rubbish. The England women on the other hand won the euros

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/06/2024 23:37

GoodLuckWithYourMannschaft · 25/06/2024 23:29

Oh please!! EVERYONE plays football… including rich kids. Granted if we were talking golf it might be different but the idea that…

…. we only have a pool of stupid people to pick from….

is ludicrous.

It’s the truth, I agree with that poster. Yeah you get boys from all backgrounds kicking a ball around, but if you asked young boys what they want to be when they grow up, far more working class boys would say a footballer than MC or UC. Their backgrounds are overwhelmingly working class, and not aspirationally so.

flapjackfairy · 25/06/2024 23:40

there is a v funny meme on Facebook which is a still photo of morecambe and wise ( for those of us old enough to get it ).
It is the famous Andre Previn sketch where Eric Morcambe has him by the collar and says that he is playing all.the right notes on the piano.but not necessarily in the right order!
Someone has superimposed Gareth Southgates face and put" I am playing all of the right players but not necessarily in the right positions ! "
Which is part of the problem for sure.

thisfilmisboring123 · 26/06/2024 06:28

@Cooper77

So England are crap because only thick people play football?
Some of the players may not be the most intelligent, but they know how to play!

I’m almost certain football must be the most played sport in the UK, by far.
I’m not sure Kane or any of the others didn’t score tonight because they can’t locate Greece on a map.

Alwaysthesun24 · 26/06/2024 06:43

HairyChin · 25/06/2024 21:55

Anything to fucking bash the English!

Stating factual information about how a team is playing isn't 'anything to bash the English' though.
They're definitely not performing particularly well as a team and the media have overhyped them.

Overwhelminglydone · 26/06/2024 06:44

Surely being a good footballer is more about physical strength and ability than cerebral ability?

camelfinger · 26/06/2024 06:46

It was ok. Hopefully when the group stages start there’ll be a bit more sparkle. I haven’t got into this competition, maybe I’m just old and jaded now. I wish I could even summon within myself even a hint of how it felt in 1996. There is a lot more passing now since the days of long balls and relying on free kicks from Beckham. But it’s dull.

Alwaysthesun24 · 26/06/2024 06:50

Overwhelminglydone · 26/06/2024 06:44

Surely being a good footballer is more about physical strength and ability than cerebral ability?

Edited

It's both.
Being physically at your peak will only go so far if you've not got the ability to 'read the field' and put every single bit of your training and skills/drills into practice. Post match analysis also needs good critical thought skills, regarding your own performance and the overall team performance.

Pikapikapikachu11 · 26/06/2024 06:51

BotterMon · 25/06/2024 22:05

Kane must have been playing a game I didn't watch if that's what he thought they did.

I hate the way the manager is always blamed for poor performance. It must be difficult to play as a team when they get so few chances to practice as one. The men do have a more full on playing schedule vs. The Lionesses who as we all know are bloody brilliant.

Not true. The women have very full on schedules too!

Alwaysthesun24 · 26/06/2024 06:54

The England v Germany women's final was an interesting match. I was rooting for Germany, but the England team played better on the day and earned their win. Much more entertaining than anything I've seen from the England men so far. The German men on the other hand have been very interesting.....

Overwhelminglydone · 26/06/2024 06:54

Pikapikapikachu11 · 26/06/2024 06:51

Not true. The women have very full on schedules too!

Not quite the same as the men’s schedule though is it.
We see the same thing time and again with the rugby Lions.. arguably some of the best players in the world put together and they just cant perform as a team.

CatMumSlave · 26/06/2024 06:59

Kids at the park do better.

It's embarrassing when this is their career and they have access to some of the best coaches / managers in the world.

Pikapikapikachu11 · 26/06/2024 07:02

Overwhelminglydone · 26/06/2024 06:54

Not quite the same as the men’s schedule though is it.
We see the same thing time and again with the rugby Lions.. arguably some of the best players in the world put together and they just cant perform as a team.

It is quite the same... infact, id argue some of the lionesses have it harder.

Mens football is pandered to for national games, cup games etc. Womens isnt as much yet.

Stop pandering to the mens side, they get paid much more than the women's, have equal time. Probably more because men get catered to much more. They should be fit enough and able to perform with out trying to bash the women's team because they supposedly have more time on their hands.

Pikapikapikachu11 · 26/06/2024 07:04

Overwhelminglydone · 26/06/2024 06:54

Not quite the same as the men’s schedule though is it.
We see the same thing time and again with the rugby Lions.. arguably some of the best players in the world put together and they just cant perform as a team.

Women's team get on very well, I wonder if some of mens team clash heads behind the scenes we aren't aware of.

Alwaysthesun24 · 26/06/2024 07:05

Pikapikapikachu11 · 26/06/2024 07:04

Women's team get on very well, I wonder if some of mens team clash heads behind the scenes we aren't aware of.

I feel like the men all want to be 'the star' instead of part of a team.

Crumpetsssss · 26/06/2024 07:18

Overwhelminglydone · 26/06/2024 06:54

Not quite the same as the men’s schedule though is it.
We see the same thing time and again with the rugby Lions.. arguably some of the best players in the world put together and they just cant perform as a team.

Take a look at the Chelsea women’s schedule for the back end of the season. Absolutely brutal. The only reason it’s not more brutal is because the lionesses didn’t qualify for the olympics (and similar questions about their manager / positions / commitment were asked then, but at least it looked like they were bloody trying)

RiverF · 26/06/2024 07:23

Pikapikapikachu11 · 26/06/2024 07:02

It is quite the same... infact, id argue some of the lionesses have it harder.

Mens football is pandered to for national games, cup games etc. Womens isnt as much yet.

Stop pandering to the mens side, they get paid much more than the women's, have equal time. Probably more because men get catered to much more. They should be fit enough and able to perform with out trying to bash the women's team because they supposedly have more time on their hands.

If say it's the opposite actually. In the men's game club is much more important than country.

RiverF · 26/06/2024 07:24

Overwhelminglydone · 26/06/2024 06:44

Surely being a good footballer is more about physical strength and ability than cerebral ability?

Edited

Really? There are countless players in the lower leagues who are amazing with the ball, but don't have the "footballing brain" to know what to do with it.

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