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Luciam06 · 15/05/2024 12:50

Hi, I’m after a bit of advice please. My daughter is 10 and has been attending a dance class since she was 3. Years ago I used to really like the dance class and the teacher but over the years I found that unless your part of the click the dance teacher will say hi to you when you drop your child off but won’t have a conversation with you.
my daughter is always at the back of dance routines or the edge of the dances.
we have a comp coming up in June and she’s the only one in her dance class that havent got a duet or trio where all the other girls have a few each. We have even asked the dance teacher months ago can my daughter have more solos and she says yes but never does them.
when I’m waiting in the cafe area for my younger daughter to come out before my older daughter goes in none of the parents talk to me and I sit there all on my own. Now I’ve never done anything wrong, or said anything bad, I’m not a scruffy mum, or a posh mum I’m exactly like the rest of them. The only difference is I’m a bit quiet and I don’t talk about people like they do. They all just come back from a weekend away which we didn’t go to and my daughter found out and asked why we didn’t go is it coz no one likes us and started crying.
I pay this dance school anything from 1300-2000 a year in fees, costumes and extra classes and I’ve just had enough. I really want to take my daughter out but she really enjoys going and gets really upset when I say you have to finish
What do you think I should do

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daisypond · 19/05/2024 09:35

Luciam06 · 19/05/2024 07:02

I don’t mean on any nasty way but I’ve heard it, people are like I’m not talking to her she’s rough and scruffy or look at her she’s so posh

The parents say this sort of stuff?

naiina · 19/05/2024 14:13

From your post and your comments, it seems you have a different personality, different priorities and values than those mums. Honestly, I think you would be miserable if you had to spend time with them.

NoThanksymm · 19/05/2024 15:37

Well don’t drop it! It’s good for kids.

are you uncomfortable? Or your daughter? If it’s you then suck it up. If it’s her then new school. And yes every dance teacher has favourites - typically based on skills. When a third party watch’s the kids dance are their eyes drawn to your daughter? Or one of the kids upfront?

look into other dance schools.

also that price isn’t that crazy, is that two hours a week? Don’t you have to sign up and pay for solos /duets etc? It’s there a breach of contract? Have you spoken to the teacher?!? Hey we spoke on such and such dates about solos, I haven’t heard more on it, what’s the plan? What’s up with my daughter always at the back? Skills she should be working on?

time to step up for your daughter and remember this is a service you are paying for. What are they going to do ? Stop talking to you and put daughter in the back? - already done!!

taxi4ballet · 19/05/2024 15:58

And yes every dance teacher has favourites - typically based on skills.

Good dance teachers do not have 'favourites'. Some children have considerably more natural ability than others and may progress faster; they may get invited to additional classes, or entered in more competitions or auditions. Or even get moved up a class earlier than others the same age. That isn't favouritism. The teacher is providing an exceptionally talented youngster with the training they deserve, and it would be negligent of them not to do so.

That isn't the sort of blatant favouritism the OP is describing, which seems to be based on how pushy the parents are, and how much money they like to spend on costumes.

Everybody is paying the same for a class and, whatever their ability, each child deserves an equal amount of attention from the teacher.

VJBR · 19/05/2024 17:06

If you go to a dance school which relies heavily on winning competitions then of course they are going to push the best dancers and give them the chance to have a solo or be in a trio or duo. That is the name of the game with them. However, there are other dance schools which are less competitive and focus more on everybody taking part despite their level. This is the sort of school you should be looking for, for your daughter. Especially if she is anxious about performing.

LifeIsGreatForUnicorns · 19/05/2024 18:08

You could have been talking about my DD’s dance school!
we’ve been at the same one for about 14 years and this is how I feel most of the time 😞
I just sit in the background… I think it’s because I’m not overly fussed about the drama that is always going on - my DD is liked and very even tempered tho so is rarely “ignored”.
she has several solos but we’ve not had a duet/trio for years as no one ever asks her… not sure if that her reticence or the fact I may appear “standoffish”…. It’s just I can’t be doing with the drama they all create!
my DD also doesn’t go to school with a lot of the others and so we don’t have the same frame of reference …
I've always said when she stops enjoying it we will do something else but actually, DD has 2 separate friend groups - dance and school- she rarely does things with ‘dance’ friends .
if I were you decide what YOU want out of it, friends etc, and what you want your DD to get out of it… hopefully they will align… and when they get to 11, you just drop and go and that makes life easier! (it’s the same as school gate - that was a very tricky period for me!)

Good luck 😉

deste · 19/05/2024 18:10

LT1982
You know perfectly well what the op meant when she said she wasn’t scruffy. Why do people have to be so awkward. And in case you wern’t sure the op has explained it for you.

Luciam06 · 19/05/2024 18:45

naiina · 19/05/2024 14:13

From your post and your comments, it seems you have a different personality, different priorities and values than those mums. Honestly, I think you would be miserable if you had to spend time with them.

Honestly I’ve a very kind person and do anything for anyone. Every child’s birthday in that dance class I give a card too…not a gift but I always give a card. I would just like to be involved and as you said probable deep down I would be miserable but it would be nice to be involved

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Luciam06 · 19/05/2024 18:47

deste · 19/05/2024 18:10

LT1982
You know perfectly well what the op meant when she said she wasn’t scruffy. Why do people have to be so awkward. And in case you wern’t sure the op has explained it for you.

Oh I know what she meant. I wrote that wrong. I mean I’ve heard groups of people in dance say those words so I thought to myself if I was scruffy or push maybe that’s why they don’t talk to me but I’m just a normal person

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Luciam06 · 19/05/2024 18:54

LifeIsGreatForUnicorns · 19/05/2024 18:08

You could have been talking about my DD’s dance school!
we’ve been at the same one for about 14 years and this is how I feel most of the time 😞
I just sit in the background… I think it’s because I’m not overly fussed about the drama that is always going on - my DD is liked and very even tempered tho so is rarely “ignored”.
she has several solos but we’ve not had a duet/trio for years as no one ever asks her… not sure if that her reticence or the fact I may appear “standoffish”…. It’s just I can’t be doing with the drama they all create!
my DD also doesn’t go to school with a lot of the others and so we don’t have the same frame of reference …
I've always said when she stops enjoying it we will do something else but actually, DD has 2 separate friend groups - dance and school- she rarely does things with ‘dance’ friends .
if I were you decide what YOU want out of it, friends etc, and what you want your DD to get out of it… hopefully they will align… and when they get to 11, you just drop and go and that makes life easier! (it’s the same as school gate - that was a very tricky period for me!)

Good luck 😉

I really don’t my daughter realises what is happening or if she do then she’s not saying anything. The only things she has said is what I have mentioned. Someone has mentioned that the dance teacher puts all the best dancers forward but surely if she can see some of her pupils are not the best then help them ones out so they can be the best. At the end of it we all pay the same money if in fact I pay more as I have more children there. None of her school friends go there and she do have friends there it’s just the actual dance teacher towards my daughter and the parents towards me. I always say hi to the parents and I must say some parents are lovely but those ones don’t hang around which is a shame

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OldPerson · 19/05/2024 19:24

Oh dear. It's always the Dance schools.

I don't know. There just seem to be a lot of big egos, pettiness and rivalry.

Why are your children at dance class? Why not a drama club or a judo/martial arts club?

I'd either find a new dance club or find a new activity?

But neither you nor your children are happy there.

Maybe learning karate or judo will give them the balance, poise, self-control, strength and greater confidence that will be of far more benefit to them.

VJBR · 19/05/2024 19:27

OldPerson · 19/05/2024 19:24

Oh dear. It's always the Dance schools.

I don't know. There just seem to be a lot of big egos, pettiness and rivalry.

Why are your children at dance class? Why not a drama club or a judo/martial arts club?

I'd either find a new dance club or find a new activity?

But neither you nor your children are happy there.

Maybe learning karate or judo will give them the balance, poise, self-control, strength and greater confidence that will be of far more benefit to them.

Because performing and learning dance/ballet doesn’t give you balance, poise, self-control, strength or confidence at all.

141mum · 19/05/2024 20:30

Sounds like most dance schools, the mums are worst than the kids

DrJonesIpresume · 19/05/2024 21:12

141mum · 19/05/2024 20:30

Sounds like most dance schools, the mums are worst than the kids

I think it depends on the dance style, but the OP hasn't said.

The freestyle, acro, show dance etc ones can be extremely focused on winning competitions, far more so than the ones that just do ballet, modern and tap. Some dance schools don't do the competition circuit at all, and concentrate on syllabus exams and their annual dance school show. The parents at those don't have as much to complain / compete with each other about! Having said that, I have come up against a few terrifying 'tiger' mums at ballet auditions in my time!

LT1982 · 19/05/2024 22:31

deste · 19/05/2024 18:10

LT1982
You know perfectly well what the op meant when she said she wasn’t scruffy. Why do people have to be so awkward. And in case you wern’t sure the op has explained it for you.

I'm allowed an opinion and I simply stated that's how the post came across to me, why is it awkward just because you din't agree. No, I don't know "perfectly well" what the OP meant. Would you care to enlighten me as the word scruffy has one meaning only and is not ambiguous?

TeenLifeMum · 19/05/2024 22:53

Oh you have to not care about this stuff and just be happy dc is learning dance and enjoying it. If not then move her but honestly, stay away from the politics. I wanted to move dd 2 years ago but she wanted to be with her friends and suddenly, this year, dd is front and centre and teacher hugs me after shows. It’s weird and I don’t think I did anything other than stick around. I’ve helped out backstage and maybe the last time was what swung it. They were massively let down and I ended up in charge of 60 girls - costumes/getting them on stage etc. it was stupidly stressful but I pulled it off so I guess I earned my hugs 🤷🏻‍♀️ but dd being front and centre was before that.

The dance mums hierarchy is nuts. Dh does lots of the lifts so in guess that helps. Dd is almost 13. I couldn’t tell you any parents names but one (who I know from primary) and she seems to know everyone. I smile and say hi but that’s it.

PepsiMaxPerfect · 19/05/2024 23:11

Make UR daughter the FOCAL point
> eg Make her a pink lady (Grease film)
Get the class talkin about UR daughter
Then the rest WILL come ...

PepsiMaxPerfect · 19/05/2024 23:14

Once talkin about UR daughter
> Will B invited 2 things - this WILL have a domino effect

jamimmi · 20/05/2024 00:10

Dance should be fun, if your dd is happy leave her be if not move her . Unfortunately you don't really count and will matter less as time goes on. DD is very small but 16 and is always for shows placed with slightly younger ones on stage. It aesthetics as she would look.mad next to her 5ft 10 best mate. But she was front row of the ballet! She's been there since she was 6 and I moved her due to issue at another school. No comps, couple shows year and exams. The younger girls mums are a bit competitive the older girl's mums just leave them too it. Her best friends are there and she never been.at a school.with any of them. It will change was she gets older but only.stay if she's happy

samqueens · 20/05/2024 01:25

Luciam06 · 19/05/2024 18:45

Honestly I’ve a very kind person and do anything for anyone. Every child’s birthday in that dance class I give a card too…not a gift but I always give a card. I would just like to be involved and as you said probable deep down I would be miserable but it would be nice to be involved

Dance schools are very often odd/competitive vibes as pp have said.

I’m sure you are a really kind person and maybe that’s part of the reason you find the environment a bit toxic. Did you do these kinds of activities when you were growing up? I’m guessing probably not or you’d be better mentally prepared for this kind of nonsense.

I am sure you mean well, but giving birthday cards to children in an outside of school class with your daughter at this age is quite unusual I think - especially if she is not close friends with them and you are not friendly with the mum. I would ask your daughter each time if she wants to give a card and only do it for the kids she actually likes. The best way to make friends is often to just choose individuals you like and build a relationship there, not just try and be friends with everyone.

As others have said, I think you need to try and let all this go a bit. Harking back to the age your daughter was when she started vs the age the other kids were - honestly who cares?! The other mums have obviously developed friendships outside dance (or are there all the time). You mention you wait for your other daughter to go in, perhaps they don’t all have multiple kids in tow and have had more opportunity to chat over the years, perhaps their kids are at the same school, perhaps they have shared values (eg. splashing money on costumes etc). That’s their look out.

Model for your daughter what not caring looks like - fake it til you make it if needs be. Take a book with you and get on with your own stuff. Don’t pander to them by giving unwanted cards etc (unless every child in the class does the same I suppose - how many has your daughter been given?) It’s important she learns to invest her care in those who also care for her, especially entering her teenage years.

Be perfectly polite with other mums, but completely distant, by choice. Let your daughter know she can do classes elsewhere and maybe she will gravitate to that after a while. Maybe dial down the number of competitions etc.

Once she starts secondary school she will have a lot of other things going on anyway and it’s great that she has other interests outside this. Encourage that and hopefully she will feel able to let go of this in her own time. Same with your eldest daughter if the same things apply to her experience at this dance school.

Dance can get to be a bit of an unhealthy environment for teens, so unless they want to pursue it professionally once or twice a week is probably more than enough…

AzureFinch · 20/05/2024 06:35

Its a business and the dance teacher is rewarding her best clients. How else can she convince them to pay?

VJBR · 20/05/2024 09:28

Luciam06 · 19/05/2024 18:45

Honestly I’ve a very kind person and do anything for anyone. Every child’s birthday in that dance class I give a card too…not a gift but I always give a card. I would just like to be involved and as you said probable deep down I would be miserable but it would be nice to be involved

I would stop giving every child a birthday card. Comes across as a bit needy.

Luciam06 · 20/05/2024 10:50

VJBR · 20/05/2024 09:28

I would stop giving every child a birthday card. Comes across as a bit needy.

It’s something that a few of the mums have done for years

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StarsHideYourFir3s · 20/05/2024 10:52

PepsiMaxPerfect · 19/05/2024 23:11

Make UR daughter the FOCAL point
> eg Make her a pink lady (Grease film)
Get the class talkin about UR daughter
Then the rest WILL come ...

I'm not OP but I don't understand this comment - why would the daughter be a pink lady unless they're doing a Grease-themed dance?

wandawaves · 20/05/2024 11:03

Leave now. It won't get better. Dance teachers can be so bitchy; they have their favourites and the have the ones they actively dislike and treat like shit. I had many 'discussions' with my daughter's teachers, there was always an excuse (lies), and even though they said all the right things in terms of moving forward, nothing ever changed. Absolutely rubbish for their confidence.

In saying that though, I think it's pretty common in the dance industry, so I'm not sure you can always avoid it. But I would definitely leave anyway, as the resentment will just build and build in you (and her).