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Do you have questions about the fourth trimester? MAM’s experts are here to answer your questions

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BellaMumsnet · 22/09/2022 09:43

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Whether you’re a first time parent or have had a baby before, each pregnancy is different physically and emotionally. Whatever your question about the fourth trimester is, MAM’s experts - Zoe, Claire and Naomi are here to answer your questions.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 08:57

Asuwere · 25/09/2022 21:16

Despite having DC, I had to Google what the fourth trimester was as had never heard of it.
Obviously I understand recovering from birth and getting used to a new baby but does giving it a name and a timescale not create undue stress and/or pressure for those who don't feel back to 'normal' in time?

Hi @Asuwere, the fourth trimester is becoming a more widely discussed topic amongst parents and health care professionals, despite not being a topic discussed much in previous years. As you have said the fourth trimester is about your post-natal recovery and is a time of adjustment to your new life as a parent. Although there might be some very fluid guidelines on how long this is, you mustn't put time constraints on your recovery or compare yourself to expectations which are not realistic for you. Similar to all guidelines around feeding, birth, milestones and just about everything else in parenthood, these are not hard and fast rules and will always be very individual. Naomi :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 08:58

Anotheronestatisticssuck · 26/09/2022 07:09

I don't remember being told about the fourth trimester at the time but have a lot since (twins are nearly 4). I strongly remember though thinking that things were easier about 12 weeks

Are there any plans to include this in NHS literature and classes? Knowing this at the time would have been much better

Hi @Anotheronestatisticssuck! I agree with you on this; even as a midwife, I do not remember the fourth trimester being spoken about when my first daughter was born (she's also four). However, since having another, I feel that the fourth trimester is becoming a more widely discussed topic amongst parents and health care professionals. In addition, antenatal and postnatal education is ever-changing, and the classes between NHS trusts can vary. So, whilst I can't give you a 'yes' or 'no' answer to your question, I would imagine this sort of education is making its way into classes more now, which is great news for expectant parents. Zoe :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:11

CatNamedEaster · 26/09/2022 07:22

Same as pp, I'd never heard of this and I actually think it would have made me feel even more inadequate if I'd thought there was some kind of milestone/settling that we were missing that early on. DS was ill for the 1st 6 months (later diagnosed with multiple food allergies through my milk), went through 10 nappies a day and slept for 5 hours max. That time was just about surviving another day for our family.

Hi @CatNamedEaster, I am sorry to read you had a tricky time and I totally agree it is all about survival in those early days. Taking on the challenge one day at a time is such as positive way to view it. Although there might be some very fluid guidelines on how long this is, you must not put time constraints on your recovery or compare yourself to expectations which are not realistic for you. Similar to all guidelines around feeding, birth, milestones and just about everything else in parenthood, these are not hard and fast rules and will always be very individual. Naomi :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:12

UnityO · 26/09/2022 07:28

Have you got any tips for dealing with the 'baby blues'? My hormones went crazy in the weeks after having DC - this combined with the sleep deprivation meant I was a wreck!

Hello @UnityO, during the first week after childbirth, many women get what's often called the "baby blues" - they are probably due to the sudden hormonal and chemical changes that take place in your body after childbirth. Talking to your family and friends about your feelings, making time to do things you enjoy, getting as much sleep as you can at night, exercising regularly, and eating a healthy diet will help with this stage. I hope this helps. Always ask for support if you feel this stage lasts longer than a few weeks after your baby is born. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:19

00100001 · 26/09/2022 07:28

Should the fourth trimester be "compulsory" for surrogacy?

Hi @00100001, the fourth trimester applies to anyone getting to grips with a newborn. :) Regardless of how our babies make their way into our arms, it's still a steep learning curve for all involved and TLC is much needed. Zoe

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:20

BristolMum96 · 26/09/2022 18:50

do things feel easier after the 4th trimester due to any physical or physiological changes or just because you are finally getting to grips with routines/reality

Hello @BristolMum96, it’s normal to feel a range of emotions as a new parent. In the first 6 to 8 weeks, as a mother, you are recovering from childbirth, and your baby might struggle to adjust to life outside the womb in those first 12 weeks also. But after this time your body will have mostly recovered, and your baby will be more settled and in a routine. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:22

Omgwhatthehell · 27/09/2022 22:56

When and how should you start implementing a nap and bedtime routine in the fourth trimester?
DS is almost 9 weeks and DH and I are still very much winging it!

Hello @Omgwhatthehell, babies will often sleep 15-18 hours per day at this stage, with possible nightly stretches of 2-4 hours in the first month, and 4-6 hours in the second month. Your baby will have their own pattern of waking and sleeping. You may feel ready to introduce a bedtime routine when your baby is around 3 months old. Getting them into a simple, soothing bedtime routine can be a great opportunity to have 1-to-1 time with your baby. As your child gets older, it can be helpful to keep to a similar bedtime routine. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:23

Discovereads · 27/09/2022 22:59

What is meant by 4th trimester? I’ve googled it and it just seems to be a made up stick to beat new mothers with by telling them their newborn can’t survive/ won’t thrive without them, the mother, being glued to them 24/7.

Hi @Discovereads, the fourth trimester is becoming a more widely discussed topic amongst parents and health care professionals, despite not being a topic discussed much in previous years. The fourth trimester is about your post-natal recovery and a time of adjustment to your new life as a parent. Whilst there are lots of aspects of this time which are focused on your care for your baby, just as much of your recovery is about your health and well-being. Remember happy mum's mean happy baby’s and sometimes a happy mum is a mum who has a little bit of selfcare. Never feel guilty about asking a partner or a family member to support so you are able to take a hot bath or go for a walk. Naomi :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:26

FiveMins · 28/09/2022 06:00

Would you recommend slings during the 4th trimester?

Hello @FiveMins, most babies like being carried like this because they're close to you and warm. The back part of the carrier must be high enough to support your baby's head. Check that buckles and straps are secure. When using a sling or carrier do not let the material cover your baby’s head. The safest method of baby wearing is in a carrier that keeps the new born baby solidly against the parent's body, in an upright position. Parents should ensure that they keep their baby's chin off their chest, thereby keeping the airway free for breathing. There is information on the Lullaby Trust website about baby sling safety. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:27

Changednamesorry · 28/09/2022 18:45

What is your advice about best practices.for pelvic floor exercises after birth?

Hi @Changednamesorry, thanks for your question. Here is a link to some great information and advice on pelvic floor exercises: What are pelvic floor exercises? - NHS (www.nhs.uk) I hope that helps! :) Zoe

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Changednamesorry · 18/10/2022 09:29

Thank you!

MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 09:29

OurChristmasMiracle · 28/09/2022 19:44

Does starting contraception very soon after birth cause any complications with the recovery process? I would be looking at an implant specifically and they usually stop my periods.

Hi @OurChristmasMiracle, it may seem early to start thinking about contraception, but pregnancy can occur soon after birth, and it is possible to fall pregnant before your period’s return. It is recommended that a method of contraception is started three weeks after birth. The different methods of contraception you can use after giving birth depend on whether you are planning to breastfeed. A progestogen-releasing device (implant) inserted into the upper arm, which lasts for 3 years, is one of the contraceptives you can use when you are breastfeeding. Please see your GP for further support. Thank you Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 12:53

Bloatstoat · 28/09/2022 20:24

How do you balance the needs of a newborn in the fourth trimester with looking after older children?

Hi @Bloatstoat, this is such a common concern for new parents. In the early days with a new baby, try to accept all offers of help to ease the burden whilst you're getting to grips with feeding, resting and recovering yourself. But, gradually, you'll find your feet, a new family-life routine will emerge, and you'll find your groove in balancing the school/nursery run with the needs of a newborn. But, of course, these things take time and patience. So, in terms of practical advice, try to carve out windows of undisturbed one-to-one time with your older child. It's surprising how even a 10-minute cuddle with books on the sofa or playing their favourite game will hit the reset button for you both. As a Mum, when I was getting to grips with having two children, I made sure the time I had with my oldest daughter was free from tv, phones or distractions so they got my undivided attention (even for a short while). Good luck! Zoe :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 12:55

HouseholdBubblesandEeeeek · 30/09/2022 20:33

I hadn’t heard of the 4th trimester before. Where is the best place to find out about it?

Hi @HouseholdBubblesandEeeeek, the fourth trimester is becoming a more widely discussed topic amongst parents and health care professionals, despite not being a topic discussed much in previous years. A quick google search will give you lots of information around this topic, including some nice clear information on the NCT website. But in summary the fourth trimester is about your post-natal recovery and a time of adjustment to your new life as a parent. There might be some very fluid guidelines on how long this is, but you must not put time constraints on your recovery or compare yourself to expectations which are not realistic for you. Similar to all guidelines around feeding, birth, milestones and just about everything else in parenthood, these are not hard and fast rules and will always be very individual. Naomi :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 12:56

Candykatie · 01/10/2022 12:38

How would you balance a your newborn and yourselves time, sleep when they sleep? And cope while having the blues as hormones are flying left, right and centre?

Hello @Candykatie, new parents will experience little sleep during this 4th trimester. Newborn babies have very small stomachs, and they need to feed every few hours during the day and night. The advice would be to sleep and rest when you can. Do not worry about the washing and ironing and always say yes to help and support in this time. Hormones will be raised and sleeping as much as you can and catching up is important for your own health. Please remember to eat and drink regularly too. The full nights of restful sleep will come again, and you will soon miss these days of holding a sleeping newborn. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 12:57

sharond101 · 01/10/2022 21:31

My children are 7 & 10 but I still have diastasis recti. Should I do anything about it?

Hi @sharond101, unfortunately, this is outside of the remit of what we can advise on as midwives and health visitors. Make an appointment with your GP for further support on this. Zoe :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 12:59

kateandme · 02/10/2022 02:36

is the 4th trimester a thing?I’ve heard differently from all sides.and if it is why isn’t it official and supported.
How should you balance it.should you cook,clean and get stuff done when the baby is quiet.or should you sleep?

Hi @kateandme, thanks for your question. We understand that the fourth trimester is when new mothers and their babies need as much care and support as they did in pregnancy. It seems a relatively new term. However, I wonder if now that it has an official name, we will be more understanding and supportive of what new mums (and dads) are going through. Anything that helps, right? To answer your question about how to balance it all. I suggest you listen to your body, considering your physical and mental wellbeing. If you're feeling exhausted from a sleepless night, I advise you to take it easy and let your body recuperate. On the flip side, if you're feeling comfortable and well-rested and feel like you want to be productive, then catch up with friends, clean or go for a walk. The choice is yours! Zoe :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 12:59

ladyluck13 · 02/10/2022 14:09

Any tips on making the fourth trimester easier with a newborn whilst having a clingy small toddler lol?

Hello @ladyluck13, there is no easy answer on how to cope with a toddler and a newborn, and no one-size-fits-all answer either, but below are some of the tips and tricks you can try. Consider whom you can call when you need support. Meal prepping or asking a friend/family to help. Snacks are a great distraction. If you have a special place where you feed your baby, keep a pile of favourite books there to distract your toddler. Outside time is beneficial for your baby and toddler so go for walks when you can. Sleep while the baby sleeps, you might have an hour or two when they are both asleep at the same time during the day. I hope this helps, thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 13:02

Polarbear5 · 02/10/2022 22:04

How to best support newborn twins in the fourth trimester? When you also have a 2 year old. Feel pulled in many directions.

Hello @Polarbear5, I have had a few of these questions today, I would suggest routine would be key for you and to ask for support from family and friends as much as you can. Twins are twice the work but finding time for yourself and your toddler is important too. Finding a time in the day when it is just you and your 2-year-old is something that you could implement and then feel you are giving your time to both the babies and your toddler. Having reading time or maybe a quick walk to the park are great ideas to have quality time. Just remember this time is short-lived and generally, families will find their feet quickly. But always ask for help and support if you need it and there are plenty of twin charities that offer that extra information if you need it. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 13:03

AnonWeeMouse · 03/10/2022 21:26

Is it normal to feel a bit "Deflated" in the 4th Trimester?

I don't mean like down or depressed etc, well maybe a little.
More like.. you were expecting Pizza and Chips from Dominoes for tea but instead you got a Potnoodle and 3 rounds of bread and butter.

I think I'd built up so much in my head that there was no way reality would meet expectations. Iyswim.

Hello @AnonWeeMouse, this time with your baby can be very overwhelming and hard on your mental health. There are a lot of expectations at this stage and it will be a different journey for every family. Mothers would benefit from seeing their health visitor or GP and asking for a little support about how they are feeling at this stage. There are plenty of charities to reach out to including MIND and the Association for Post-Natal Illness. Take care and please reach out in your local area if you feel you need further support. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 13:04

Didjesuspoop · 04/10/2022 19:20

Do you have any tips on making the fourth trimester an easier transition? Are slings good to encourage bonding and does skin to skin daily help baby adjust to the outside world? It’s all changed since I had my eldest, I’d never heard of the 4th trimester back then! Thank you in advance

Hello @Didjesuspoop, the 4th trimester is the first 12 weeks after the baby has been born, this time is when families, mothers, and babies are adjusting to their new lives. The baby brain information (Five to Thrive) is a great place to start and gives advice on how you can stimulate your baby in the first few months of life. Skin to skin is recommended to support babies adjusting to life outside the womb and supports mothers to initiate breastfeeding and develop close, loving relationships with their babies. Slings can be used as long as they fit correctly, and you can see your baby’s face. Parents should ensure that they keep their baby's chin off their own chest, thereby keeping the airway free for breathing. There is information on the Lullaby Trust website about baby sling safety. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 13:05

Nursemumma92 · 04/10/2022 21:23

Are there any tips for establishing breast feeding and who to go to for support regarding latching on? My first baby just wouldn't latch and neither community midwife nor health visitor felt it was their remit to help. I ended up pumping for 1 month then switched to formula as my supply wasn't enough.

In hindsight I should have stayed on the postnatal ward for longer but I was so desperate to get home and found some of the patients in the bay I was in very noisy, disruptive and rude. Sorry if that sounds judgemental but honestly these 2 women would shout when someone else's baby cried to shut it up...

Anyway, I'm 28 weeks pregnant with my 2nd and would like to avoid switching to formula so soon this time and tips on persevering whilst also looking after another child would be greatly received 🤞

Hi @Nursemumma92, thanks for your question. I'm sorry that you had a difficult time with your first baby. On the other hand, it's great that you're doing all you can to have a more positive experience this time. So, my top tips for getting breastfeeding off to the right start would be: First, attend a breastfeeding workshop before birth, as this will help you understand the principles of good positioning and attachment.Try to have your baby skin-to-skin immediately following the birth. Keep your baby nearby to get to know their feeding cues. Feeding cues are signs that your baby is ready to feed. These are putting their hands to their mouth, turning their head towards you, licking their lips and mouthing. Offer your baby the breast as soon as possible when they show these signs. Ask for help if you are unsure or experiencing any problems. Familiarise yourself with the local support available - hospital-run groups, lactation consultants, peer-led support groups and online support groups. Look after you too! Drink plenty, eat well, accept help, enjoy all the cuddles with your new baby and rest when you can.When balancing all this with looking after another little one, just do your best! Get them involved in caring for their new brother or sister, which will help them bond. Also, think about little activities you can do side-by-side whilst you're feeding, like reading a book together or watching their favourite tv program. I hope that helps. Zoe :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 13:06

tillytown · 05/10/2022 03:46

Do you recommend going back to work before the 4th trimester is over? I couldn't have done when my kids were babies, but my friend, who is pregnant with her first, is adamant she is going back to work after two weeks. I've tried to explain how weird my body felt, how my mood was all over the place, how tired I was, and how exhausted my body was from bleeding and producing milk but she isn't listening. She keeps talking about how American women go back a fortnight after giving birth, but completely ignores the stats that state hundreds of American women die within two months of giving birth, how the US has the lowest maternal mortality rate across all the countries in the West, and how women in the US are fighting for more maternity leave because of that.
I want to support her, but I can't help thinking she is setting herself up to fail.

Hi, @tillytown! Thanks for your question; you sound like a very caring friend. I wouldn't recommend returning to work this early. At the very least, I would advise that your friend waits until her 8-week postnatal check with the GP. This appointment will be an excellent opportunity to discuss her physical and mental health one-to-one and make an informed decision on what she wishes to do. I hope that helps. Zoe :)

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 13:10

Cocobeau · 05/10/2022 09:19

Should we be trying to get into a routine from day 1, or is it better to go with the flow until a certain point?

Hello @Cocobeau, newborn babies do not come with an instruction manual, and you're bound to have lots of questions about their behaviour and appearance, to begin with. In the beginning, it can seem like your baby is constantly feeding, but gradually you and your baby will get into a pattern. Feed your baby as often as they want. This is called baby-led feeding. Let your baby decide when they have had enough. Babies also grow quickly in the early months, and they have very small stomachs. This means they need to feed little and often. As your baby grows, they will gradually start to need fewer night feeds and will sleep for longer at night. The NHS website recommends from 3 months old implement a routine but be led by the baby. Thank you, Claire.

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MAMExpert · 18/10/2022 13:11

Emotionalmessy · 05/10/2022 13:22

What support is there during the 4th trimester for C section recovery ?

Hi @Emotionalmessy, thanks for your question. After a c-section birth, you will remain in the hospital for 1 to 2 days on average. This is so the health care professionals can support your recovery and help you get to grips with a newborn. Once you have returned home, you will be under the care of the community midwife, who will continue this support. After approximately two weeks (if you and your baby are well), you will be discharged from midwifery care and looked after by a health visitor. Health visitors support you until your baby is five years of age. Of course, there are other places you can go to for support, too, such as the GP and local community groups. I hope that helps. Zoe :)

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