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AnnMumsnet · 17/03/2015 09:06

Parents with children due or adopted from 5 April will be among the first to take advantage of Shared Parental Leave. To coincide with its introduction Shared Parental Leave, we have been asked by the Department for Business, Innovation & Skills to find out what you think about this new policy for parents.

The team there say "From April 2015, parents will have greater choice and flexibility over how they share the care of their child in the first year of their life. Shared Parental Leave allows working couples share up to 50 weeks of leave and 37 weeks of pay in a way that suits their work and family needs. For example, parents can take time off together or they can tag team, stopping and starting leave and returning to work in between if they wish.
Check your eligibility and how much pay you can get here. We'd love to know what you think about this and how you'd use it for your family."

So, please have a look at the information provided here and let us know on this thread what you think. If you or your partner is pregnant and your baby is due from 5 April do you think you'll use it? Would you have used it when you had your last child if it had been an option? Do you think you will share leave with your partner if you have children in the future? How would it work in your family?

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stewaris · 18/03/2015 15:05

I think it's a great idea but not practical in some instances eg if I decide to breast feed.

mynellie · 18/03/2015 15:24

my husband got 3 days off and by the end of those he was eager to get back to work and let me get into a routine it was nice to have them first couple of days bonding as a family but in reality bills still have to be paid and i think most men prefer to be at work

StickChildNumberTwo · 18/03/2015 15:29

I think having the option for parents to do what suits them best is excellent, although I can't see us using it ever. DH is the bigger earner and I don't think would get anything beyond statutory after his 2 weeks paternity leave, whereas my maternity benefits are pretty good. Plus actually I don't think I'd want to give up any of my mat leave! - after DD was born I was such a sleep-deprived wreck for so long that I'm not sure I'd've been functional to do any work. She was ebf and would never take a bottle, so that would've made it difficult too.

freefan · 18/03/2015 16:04

I think personally that it is good for couples to now have the choice and it would have been something we would certainly if money allowed have taken advantage off as dads need to bond too and spend time with their kids.
What slightly worries me is the couples where the woman really want to take the full entitlement as was the normal til then but is seen as being unfair if the dad wants the same rights.

YerTiz · 18/03/2015 16:29

Not sure it would have been practical for us (breastfeeding, DH earning more) but I think its great that there's more flexibility now for families to do what suits their own circumstances.

YonicScrewdriver · 18/03/2015 16:31

Freefan, the mother has to stop maternity leave before SPL can start. The authority lies with her.

Couples can work out between them the split that best balances what they both want. Before; they didn't have that choice. This is better.

YonicScrewdriver · 18/03/2015 16:33

A very low percebtage of women are still BF at the halfway point of maternity leave. It's possible, but less convenient to express or mixed feed after returning to work.

Lovewhereilive · 18/03/2015 17:41

It's a good idea, too late for us though . Not sure if it would have worked for us either.

WelshGirlSeeksMarmite · 18/03/2015 18:15

It’s not an option for us due to contracts coming to an end but discussing this with my partner, it was clear that stereotypical views of women’s roles versus men’s roles will more than likely impact on the number of men that take it up.
I don’t consider my partner to be sexist and I have confidence that he will share the responsibilities of parenting with me but he was really concerned about what his boss would say if he was to apply for shared parental leave. Maybe it’s partly due to the pressures of his job as he’s also worried about taking the standard 2 weeks paternity leave but I do think a lot of employers will discourage this or make it difficult as to many people, it’s the mother’s role to provide care for the child. Perhaps things will improve in the long term but it will be interesting to see what the take up rates are like in the first year.
But personally, I think it's a great idea and long overdue!

MummyBtothree · 18/03/2015 18:35

I think its a great idea, then couples can use it in whichever way works best for them.

parkingpearlclutching · 18/03/2015 19:48
  • a very low percentage of women still breastfeeding at 6 months - yes but they should be protected.
Honestly, they are the hardcore. They are the ones to whom breastfeeding is so important that they have lived life permanently knackered in a small selection of ill fitting clothes, for 6 months. The woman who does that deserves the other 3 / 9 months, breast feeding a bit less, maybe getting a little sleep, able to look up and see what the hell else is going on in the world (and in my case go on a much needed and very morale boosting diet - impossible when bf-ing round the clock, for me anyway)

I would like to see more women breastfeeding longer (if they want to, I mean. Many women who stop do so because they don't feel they can carry on, not because they want to stop.) But even if nothing can be done about that (and it can!), those who are going to soldier on deserve more support, not to be utterly shafted.

they'll do it anyway even if some arsehole is grabbing the baby going "my turn" looking forward to dicking about on his phone at the park while the laundry mounts up. They will just have an even shitter time

the more I think about it, the more the pretence that fathers (in general) will work as hard as mothers (in general) in the first 6 / 9 months really pisses me off. Because

  • no matter how hard they want to work, they can't breastfeed
  • most of them don't want to. Most have no idea what work in the home even is (whether parenting or other domestic stuff) and are just looking for a chance to take their feet off the pedals so the woman can work harder still
Amummyatlast · 18/03/2015 20:04

Parking pearl clutching, you seem to have a very low opinion of men.

parkingpearlclutching · 18/03/2015 20:27

Well, in general, yes I do I suppose. I mean some of my best friends are men! I live with one too. But they fuck me off, in general, with how they

  • don't listen when women tell them how to do things because they think they shouldn't be expected to make that much effort (so the couple fall into a routine where every time she does it, she does one and a half jobs, and every time he does it, he does half a job)
  • don't respect women's work so if a woman is tired they think she is weak rather than doing a hard job
  • Related to the above: patronsingly suggest an exhausted woman "take it easy" while making no effort to pick up any of the things that need to be done before 7am tomorrow
  • also related to the above: when a woman has negative feelings about things, he always thinks the problem is her feelings rather than the thing ("I am upset and angry that you left the washing up for me to get back to" "you need to see a counsellor about your feelings")
  • grandstand
  • pick one thing to do and do only that and assume a cast of supporting characters will pick up the rest (childcare without laundry; meal prep without childcare; that sort of thing) - and act all aggrieved if anyone asks them about the things they aren't doing, because they are doing THIS ONE THING

In my experience, my children (with pretty normal skin) NEVER had nappy rash when I was on main duty but if I had to go somewhere else for a day at the weekend, they were at risk of it, and if I were working in the week after, it would linger until the weekend when I would get rid of it. Through sheer diligence and care and not sitting on my arse wondering if I could smell something and frequent cream.

In my experience, out of an NCT group of 7 couples, the 2 children whose fathers as opposed to mothers took on SAHD care after maternity leave, had very troublesome late diagnosed problems with extreme constipation (disguised as unwillingness to toilet train). Because their fathers could not be arsed to frequently offer water and fruit (or coax them to take it), did not recognise the signs of discomfort, were happy to leave attempting to potty train as late as possible anyway, did not hang around on mumset reading loads of early years parenting threads that make you familiar with quite common problems before they come up in your child (as a fraction will), the children ate a lot of tinned and packaged food, and nobody was properly tuned in to what was going on there. In the end, in each case, the mothers worked out what was happening, got medical appointments, and took time off work to spend time with the child at home, dosed with laxatives, to get it sorted.

All anecdotal. But it's all absolutely true.

when my dp was a sahd my children wore weird clothes, had knotty hair, ate too much packaged stuff and sugar (in my opinion - a lot less than other children) - except when he took home made food out of the freezer (made by me, around my full time job) watched too much TV, napped too randomly (causing inconvenience to me at other times, on my bedtime shift) - none of these things hurt them, they were loved and happy and secure - but I wouldn't, really really wouldn't, have wanted to hand them over as babies. (Aside from the fact that neither of mine had a drop of formula)

Sorry that was epic but this is a lot of people's reality. I am so glad if your husband is called Miles and has trendy glasses and cooks Hugh Fearney Whittingstall dishes for your children and then takes them into the garden to search for mini beasts with a little box with a magnifying glass - I am so happy for you - but really that guy is the exception, most of them are on the sofa.

Fizzyplonk · 18/03/2015 20:32

I think this is a great idea.
For us I think I'd still take most of the leave as I breast feed.
However, it would have been great if DH could have had more time off around the birth- poss even from a week before due date.
The other time that would have been really useful was when I was returning to work and DC starting nursery and phased start in reception. It was a lot to juggle!

Amummyatlast · 18/03/2015 20:33

Well then, I'm glad I have my 'Miles'. When it comes to the day-to-day care he's a better 'mum' than I could ever be.

parkingpearlclutching · 18/03/2015 20:34

Just to be clear: other than breastfeeding, I don't think women have more innate parenting skill, I just think men are socialised to

a - disrespect "women's work" and so struggle to learn it properly as they cannot grasp how hard it will be done properly, and also just simply aren't listening to the people who know how to do it

b - be lazy. get away with whatever they can. "phone it in" on the basis that someone will pick up the slack

BananaToast · 18/03/2015 20:38

I'm due on 20th April so shared parental leave is an option for us, but we won't be taking it. It makes sense for me to be the one to take the leave as I intend to breastfeed and we would struggle more financially with DH not working. His employer did send a link to the gov site on shared parental leave when he submitted his request for paternity leave, but admitted they didn't yet know how it would work within the company in terms of pay etc. I also think managers might look on him sharing the leave unfavourably - as if it shows less commitment to the job, although that's just based on my perception of how his company approaches work/life balance.

parkingpearlclutching · 18/03/2015 20:44

amummyatlast, I am happy for you too.

In couples without a Miles - maybe more of a Dave - how would you suggest that the mother's and baby's wellbeing be protected in a culture where he might grab all the parental leave, and in which it is increasingly verboten to suggest - as matters of the particular or the general - that there are some things that men aren't necessarily the best at, and some things they don't necessarily get first dibs on?

GreatBigHoo · 18/03/2015 21:36

It's unlikely that we'll have any more children, but if this had been in place when I had my last child we would definitely have considered it. It sounds like it would offer enough flexibility to be attractive to many couples who might want to share leave but not sacrifice too much of a higher earner's pay. Definitely a good step towards changing attitudes about parental leave.

Catmadroo · 18/03/2015 22:07

It sounds good to me, gives extra flexibility to help families that is really needed, unfortunately would not apply to me as I'm a lone parent but if couples/families have the choice and it meets their family needs it can be beneficial for all

EllieQ · 18/03/2015 22:39

I'm pregnant with DC1 (due in April), and DH and I will be taking Shared Parental Leave - the plan is that I'll have seven months maternity leave, and when I return to work DH will take the last two months. DH will take the standard paternity leave for the first two weeks as well. Otherwise, we won't have any shared time at home together unless one of us takes leave while the other is at home.

I'm really pleased about the new legislation. I've always felt that the typical split of mum on maternity leave and dad back at work could create a division in our relationship (which is otherwise very equal) regarding the split of domestic duties - I've read so many threads on MN where women have ended up doing all the child-related care because they're the experts, simply because they've done most of the child-related care... While I'll still have several months on maternity leave, I think it will really help me to know that DH will have to do the same for a couple of months. I also think it will be easier to go back to work knowing that the baby is being looked after by DH.

I am planning to breastfeed, but plan to introduce a bottle (expressed or formula) so DH can do some feeds anyway. I expect that I'll express or reduce BF to morning and evening when I'm back at work (assuming Im able to breastfeed at all).

Both our (public sector) employers are having to draft a new policy for the Shared Parental Leave. In some ways it's more straightforward for me, as I'm going through the usual maternity leave process, and the only difference is that I'll be returning earlier. At that point, my entitlement to SMP passes to DH. While his employer have said his plans sound fine, they haven't set out their new policy either. The main issue is that it's not clear whether he'll just get SMP (as I would at that point), or whether he'll get SMP + X% of salary (depending on his employer's maternity pay policy). As we earn the same salary, we'll have the same income at this point whichever of us is home (if he's entitled to SMP + X% salary, we'd be better off than if I did the last two months!).

I admit that the fact we both work for public sector employers means that the whole process is easier for us, as they are expected to be family-friendly and promote flexible working.

YonicScrewdriver · 18/03/2015 23:21

Parking, I disagree with you

And I don't think there will be too many slobs on the sofa grabbing maternity leave off their partners and preventing them Breastfeeding, I really don't. And yes, babies can get a bit easier from 6 months (though I think they are all different) but it isn't suddenly a diddle then - weaning, crawling, cruising all happen then.

Hard cases make bad law. It is a good philosophical goal to allow all parents the chance to choose the best balance for their family - the fact that a few twats may bend the system - well, those same twats probably aren't bringing their wives glasses of water and snacks whilst they feed but are complaining about lack of attention or whatever in the current system. It's not the system, it's the twats.

YonicScrewdriver · 18/03/2015 23:23

"it was clear that stereotypical views of women’s roles versus men’s roles will more than likely impact on the number of men that take it up."

I think this option being open is a fundamental building block in the stereotypes changing. And for men who have partners earning the same or more, it's a straight economic argument to the boss if any grief is given.

honeyharris · 19/03/2015 10:41

I think it's a fantastic idea but will take a while to bed in to some workplaces, particularly those traditionally male ones. My husband works for a large utilities company and has never known anyone there request flexible working arrangements to fit around their children.

morethanpotatoprints · 19/03/2015 11:20

I think its a very good idea for those who have standard hours and are employed. A greater choice for some has to be the way forward.
It would have been useless for us as dh couldn't have had the time off, as self employed/ business owner.