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claw3 · 29/04/2010 16:22

Following on from last thread, i now have a copy and info and would appreciate your comments!

Schools SEN budget is £25,444

There is no maximum or minimum number it covers

Statemented pupils 2, SA plus 15, school action 21

All file has in it is correspondence and IEPS, surely it should contain more?

Apart from that it contains - A note is written on a incident on 16/1/09 where ds ran away and hid and they couldnt find him (a week after ds started school)

Note from SENCO about OT phone conversation on 11/11/08.

Note from SENCO about first and only telephone conversation with me on 12/11/08 prior to ds starting school with no IEP in place. Starts 'ds's mum phoned school to speak with me, despite being told by OT the day before that i would call her in my own time.

Next 'Ds is the youngest of 3 boys, brothers are 12 and 15. Mum says that he is capable of playing well with them. She reports that ds is very adult like in his opinion of fairness. I suggested that to a degree he has and is, growing up in house of 4 adults. This appeared to be quite a revelation to her, and she said 'oh ive never thought of it like that'

Mum states he rarely gets into trouble, though there was an incident when he hit anoth child on the head - again in his eyes not his fault since the other child was not sharing!!

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TotalChaos · 29/04/2010 16:56

did it not even have copy reports in, out of interest?

OMG at the senco's attitude. as quite frankly even if she did think you were a loon, she should have been professional and disregarded that, but looked at DS's needs.

PouffeGalore · 29/04/2010 17:01

That is terrible Claw - clearly anyone that sees that note will think you're very anxious and act accordingly! I understand that if records are not correct you can request that they are amended/deleted - not sure if that applies to these comments. In any case they are just her personal views and I am surprised they are included in Ds notes. Was it worth all the wait?

WetAugust · 29/04/2010 17:45

Claw

I'm no at all surprised at the notes critical of you that you've found in the school file. I too was decribed as 'difficult'. Don't take it personally - it's their defence mechanism when they can't even see they are doing a crap job.

So much for working in partnership with parents

What else did you expect to see in there that may be missing?

PositiveAttitude · 29/04/2010 17:54

Oh Claw I really feel for you after all your waiting. You can now write a letter which will have to be added to the notes putting your side of anything that you disagree with.

Shaking in my boots now about what mine is going to say!

trace2 · 29/04/2010 17:55

can i ask a question ? i didnt know i could ask for a copy of notes, and we are appealing for to get assessed for a statement do i ask ds school will it help or whats the reason you asked for them sorry i have no idea!

WetAugust · 29/04/2010 18:14

Getting a copy of the school records is essential if you intend to appeal. The file may contain information that you haven't seen that could assist your appeal.

You aply directly to the school for a copy and they are legally obliged to provide it to you.

claw3 · 29/04/2010 18:25

Total, yes sorry forgot copies of reports. Also a post it note requesting a report from CAMHS for SA!

Had a better look at them now and also

On the 23/9/09 school filled out a questionnaire for social and communication skills where all of the boxes, but one were ticked as 'rarely appropriate or never appropriate'

In February 2010 i applied for a Statutory Assessment.

In March 2010, school filled out another questionnaire for social and communication skills and all previous concerns were now ticked as having no difficulties.

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claw3 · 29/04/2010 18:36

Positive, luckily SENCO pointed out that my ds's were 12 and 15 and almost adults, it wouldnt have occurred to me otherwise

Wet, OT did school visits and says she made recommendations (although i doubt she did) but her visits were not recorded. OT did send an email with recommendations, i was copied into email so know for a fact she did.

Had 2 meeting with TAMHS in school, nothing recorded, no notes.

ASD Outreach, no notes.

No notes of meetings i had with school.

Nothing academic at all.

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claw3 · 29/04/2010 18:37

Trace2, i did mention getting copies of records on the thread you started about statements.

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WetAugust · 29/04/2010 18:40

Claw

The SEN COP (backed by Education law) places a duty on the school (SENCO I think) to maintain a child's school file.

So they are failing in that duty.

LA would be interested that Autism Outreach is not recording its visits etc.

My DS's own file was incomplete. Correspondence with me that school preferred to 'forget' was ommitted. i wrote pointing out the ommissions and asked for a full copy of the file to be provided. I recieved a letter stating that the full file had been provided - when it hadn't.

It's an uphill battle with these idiots!

ouryve · 29/04/2010 18:46

WTF?!

And DS1's only in year 1 and his file's about 2" thick! There's piles and piles of stuff in it.

WetAugust · 29/04/2010 18:52

Claw

You can use the information they did and the fact that the file was incomplete to your advantage.

You can be utterly scathing of school in your SENDIST submission re the fact that schools concerns in the Sept had miraculously dsappeared the month after you applied for a stat assess. The SENDIST will get the message - that school is unwilling to acknowledge or support your son's needs.

Also when the claim that AO did this that and the other you can say that they provided no benefit at all and that written advice was not in school file for those teachers who he came into contact with to be aware etc etc.

You should be able to have a field day!

claw3 · 29/04/2010 19:00

I will go through the file again later with a fine tooth comb and see exactly what i think is missing, just flicked through.

Then write to the school, with what i want amended and copy in the LA.

I was also expecting to see some sort of record of how his progress is monitored. What he can and cant do etc.

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claw3 · 29/04/2010 19:09

Wet, one more question before i go (have left ds and dp, taking bunkbeds apart, while i sit on my arse!)

Is all progress verbal, surely it should be recorded somewhere? Surely they cant just say, yes he met x target?

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claw3 · 29/04/2010 19:23

Oh i also have a brilliant record of a conversation between OT and SENCO which i can use for both SA and my complaint against OT (trying to fob me off with poxy report that ds doesnt have any problems too, just so they can discharge him)

Ds is due to start at school in the reception class in January 09. On 11/11/08 i was called by OT from X, who was phoning me with mum's permission to share information prior to him starting in the hope that some of his "behaviours" can be explained and potential difficulties overcome.

OT said he was "gorgeous" little boy. He had been referred to OT. He was receiving 1:1 therapy and was an intriguing case. In her opinion he was a "severely defensive" child. He presents as very bright - G and T maybe, and displaying many traits of a high functioning ASD child. (This has not been discussed at all with mum by OT!)

He currently attends X Nursery where he has a 2 and half hour a day place. His mum applied for a place here, but her application was rejected.

DS was born at full term, but OT described that as a newborn had plenty of tubes and wires attached and was in special care. (The exact cause of this was not explained or known). Perhaps as a direct result of this (as new research seems to suggest) he has severe sensory difficulties. He is particularly hypersensitive with his hands, feet and mouth (corresponding to the sites of many of his early life experiences of tubes, needles etc) He is also particularly sensitive to organised activities, (though this was not fully explained)

He speaks to an imaginary friend and it appears that when he is comfortable with things - he takes over! OT thinks he is in flight or flight mode the entire time. He is noxious to touch and displays innate signs of this. He doesnt like group work (unless its on his terms!) and rather than made a big thing about it, tends to opt out of it - quietly.

OT reports that mum feels that nursery have not fully included him and addressed these issues. OT also reports that mum is "brilliant" and "very helpful".

A gut reaction to his manner could well be to describe him as difficult, and he could easily be labelled. OT thinks this is not the case, and thinks there are deep underlying reason why he acts the way he does. He is "scared in his own skin"!

Ds speaks like a little adult, and is very aware that he does this and this is not how his peers speak. He likes to be in total control of his play and his friends. One of his ways of control may be centred around food, and it could also be that he is bored and not sufficiently challenged at his present nursery seeting. He is certainly puzzling OT!

OT also mentioned that there had been involvment from (SALT) with concerns around his expressive language. She said that she would talk to Jo and ask her to phone if she felt she had any info to share.

He presents physically as a very stiff little boy, who is very upright. Movements can make him actually sick. One therapy involved gentle swinging and he was sick 2 hours later. He has highly skilled negotiating skills and tries to "talk" you around! He uses talking as a way of diverting attention. He has been seen to write - the words look and cat, though both words looked quite spindly.

OT said he is especially sensitive to working with only 1 sensory channel at once, ie painting with no music etc. If gently and persistently encouraged he will do things like finger painting.........though will constantly need to and want to wash his hands. This is not however an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). Again lining up may be of issue -- and potentially a place for him either the front or back of the line may be required to avoid the over stimulation of too many senses at once.

OT touched upon his eating disorders........but said mum would need to explain that further.

He has further OT appointments on 9th and 16th January 09 with OT from 11-12am.

School are claiming to SA that ds has no sensory issues. No sensory issues my arse!

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trace2 · 29/04/2010 19:41

ok i am writing to ask for ds reports could some one please tell me what to write please?

claw3 · 29/04/2010 21:17

Trace2, IPSEA refuse to access pack is good and give examples etc.

here

To get you started.

Write to the school, with a copy going to Board of Governors or vice versa.

I am writing to you to ask for a copy of my child?s school record which I believe will be helpful for my LA appeal for their refusal to assess my child?s special education needs. I understand I am entitled to these within 15 days under the Pupil Information Regulations.

I also need information about the school?s special education provision to put my case. Could you please tell me:-

? The SEN budget for the current academic year?
? The number of children it covers?
? The number of children at each stages of SEN Code of Practise i.e. those at School Action, at School Action Plus and with a Statement of SEN?

Could you also describe the typical help which is given for children with my child?s difficulties at School Action Plus and whether this is the maximum generally available?

My child difficulties are as identified by professionals involved in X's care:-

Anxiety
Phobias
Delay in play skills
Speech and communication difficulties
Feeding difficulties
Social and interaction skills difficulties
Sensory dysfunction
Soiling
Self-injurious behaviour

(Obviously fill in what your ds's difficulties are and not the ones above)

I very much appreciate the time and trouble you will take to provide this information which I need in writing. I have been advised that the Tribunal will find it hard to decide the case without full details.

If you require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

It is confusing and overwhelming to start with, but once you start writing your appeal it becomes much clearer.

Also i was told by NAS that if you are on a low income (under 20k i think she said) you can get free legal advise and help with writing your submission

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cloelia · 29/04/2010 21:28

sorry I am not going to be of any help but if I thought someone had written that I needed "careful handling" I would be absolutely hopping mad. How dare they. Their job is the children not you.

WetAugust · 29/04/2010 23:19

Yes - school's assessment of the parent rather than the child is utterly wrong. It just shows how far out of touch with reality they are that they think writing these comments and filing them is acceptable.

I would be demanding an apology.

Claw

You asked about recording progress.

In strictly SEN terms that's what the IEP is designed to do. It sets specific realistic targets and measures against them.

Other forms of progress assessment are class tests, SATS etc. The teacher should have the results of those however they will not ne filed in your child's ciricular file (i.e. a file with his name on it and his only) and it's only ciricular files that you have right to see.

You may be able to obtain the contents of non-ciricular files that are relevant to your child by other means e.g. DPA etc.

I think you're plaving too much credence in school's views. They are not diagnosticians so their thoughts / views are irrelevent. The first thing you must do at SENDIST is show that your son has a disability - otherwise SENDIST won't take your case. You have the evidence to prove that. You also have suffcient evidence that he has sensory issues - OT report for instance.

Children's sensory issues do not improve in 6 months - neither do they display them at home but not at school. Therefore the evidence shows that show have neither identified, acknowledged or adequately supported his sensory issues and their failure to stat assess compounds that failure. That should be the crux of your case.

Sorry - bit long

claw3 · 29/04/2010 23:39

Cloelia, im rather glad she did write that. I was starting to feel that i was being very paranoid. When school referred to TAMHS, our first meeting i felt they were assessing me. The school also phoned ahead of me for ds's first CAMHS appointment (CAMHS let this slip) and i again felt that they were assessing me. OT also stopped going into school after 2 visits, they obviously managed to convince her i was a loon.

This confirms that my instincts were right and that i wasnt being paranoid, they are trying to convince professionals that i have a problem. Its given me a bit of piece of mind, i was beginning to doubt myself

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claw3 · 30/04/2010 00:17

Wet, i plan to write some stinking letters.

Ive read through file again and 2nd questionnaire was filled out on 20th January 2010, not March 2010. So 1st on 23rd September, ds was off of school for the whole of December in hospital (for self injury) and didnt return until January. So he went from 'never/rarely appropriate' to no difficulties in all 35 areas in 2 months!

The school set targets unrelated to their concerns, so they cant be measured. They are basing 'progress' on what a teacher reports to them the day they are asked no doubt.

I know i shouldnt take any notice of school opinions etc, but their opinion has proven quite powerful, they have managed to convince OT that ds has no difficulties in school and she has written this in her report, despite her findings of 'scared in his own skin' etc, she has taken their word, despite me reporting to her the total opposite. They had really won her over she wrote things such as

'He particularly benefits from positive role models at the dinner table and has been seen to eat his dinner within his designated table? Despite me reporting to her, after school reported to me that his 'positive role models' at his dinner table had stolen his lunch and gone down his pockets and stole his bits and pieces, called him shitty pants and told him to shut up every time he spoke.

They obviously think they have the backing of CAMHS. It all makes perfect sense now, CAMHS questioned me about what made me think that ds had autism and commented that they didnt see any signs of a social and communication disorder and perhaps all the appointments i took him to was having an affect on him. They were almost saying i had munchausen syndrome and i even started a thread about it.

I had to write to them stating they had obviously spoken to school before i got there and i suggested that they read the reports i supplied before next appointment. In fact if you are concerned about the number of appointments ds attends and the affect on him, dont make another, refer us to your ASD team for a second opinion. They didnt reply and we were passed on to a different psychologist. Their report should be an interesting one!

Their opinions might be totally irrelevant, but they are very dangerous, especially as no one reads reports.

I have written down what you say, you do help me to focus when im stressed. You should be available on the NHS

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claw3 · 30/04/2010 01:16

Should attendance record be in file?

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WetAugust · 30/04/2010 11:42

I would expect attendance to be recorded inthe teacher's register. But you could ask for details of his attendance - without having to see the register.

thederkinsdame · 30/04/2010 15:25

Blimey, Claw3, I am absolutely gobsmacked at your DS's school record. Hope you nmanage to sort it.

claw3 · 30/04/2010 20:18

Ds came home with a letter in his bag, requesting my permission for ds to be seen by EP!

Obviously i am really pleased about this and its good news, but what are school playing at?

Does this mean that i am finally getting somewhere?

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