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Is it about being kidnapped ?For me (and I've never used a disabled toilet without ds3 present, though will if he'sin one as he unlocks doors and bolts at the worst moments) the lack of desire to weewith a buggy propping door open is about visibility of me, thast would make it a no no.

Have no problems wee'ing in loo with ds3 there: it amkes ofr his safety if U I use it and i'd be damnable if I put random peoples concerns before his safety. That would be wrong.

Between bolting, loo rim licking and the like i'm just pelased to survive a trip out LOL.

I don't think anyone would kidnap J (they'd change their minds quickly if they did - he has a great bite and an earsplitting scream) but the chances of him running off are too high.

peachy, the Tribunal route isn't so horrendous. If things get less manageable, I really would go for a change of circumstances re-application and try for HRM. It's not fair, really isn't.

Also, people don't like him in the ladies loos now he's 8 and I can't leave him outside the loo, no way.

TBH, I usually make sure I'm well-toileted or hold it! But service stations on long journeys are the exception.

I hate this too. Dd2 is currently not allowed to weight bear at all (temporary hip condition - well, "temporary" for 2 years of her 6 now with no end in sight) so I use the disabled loos when I am out with her in her Major. Partly cos its a big buggy, partly cos its a minimum of lifting for me to shift her sideways rather than carry her into a cubicle - and it saves her precious 6yo dignity!

I get comments all the time (do I look like I need them or something?) along the lines of 'you'd think a child that sie would be walking'

Eh yes. She would be if I didn't have her strapped in, she has to be off her legs or she is looking at hip replacement in her 20's or 30's, permanent arthritis etc (not as bad as the things most of you face, but the hardest thing I have had to face parenting).

We don't get a blue badge as it is a "temporary illness" not a "disability". I doubt I would use it as I can just park further away and walk with the buggy as she is ok with that.

But old biddies and mums with babies in buggies 'tutting' when I exit a disabled loo -- aaaaaaarrrrrgh!

Well, good for you. Your ds is your ds and mine is mine. Mine would run off and I don't care enough about competing about who's most saintly or about the opinions of random strangers to put him at risk.

Oh yes.

Sadly, when she started school the worst "tutter" was ds's best friend's mum. That was the end of those playdates!

Now she is old enough to notice she lectures people! "I have Perthes disease you know, I'm not allowed to stand up or walk".

That usually put them in their place!

tbh I haven't really given it any thought untill it was brought up on mn, my annoyance came about by people thinking it was thir right to use them, if they just quietly got on with it who would give a shit.
UI rarely have to take dd in a disabled loo as she normally wants to go in the van, and due to tinted windows I can do it thier with ease.

we use a slipper bed pan, tis great as we don't have to lift her out of the chair to use it

Mmmm, riven, but you've already said that using disabled loo yourself while with disabled child is 'wrong'. I'm referring to the 'well I go in and keep the door open' line and the fact that you were able to take your ds in to the ladies till age 12.

Just saying it's not that easy for everyone.

if you are already in the toilet and your child/person doesn't use the toilet as they use an aid, the surely it is plain daft not to go your self, same if you have taken your child in thier to use it, at the end of the day I use it as no way is dd going to be parked up for people to gawp at.

If you're in your wheelchair, I'm guessing someone else is wwith dd anyway, so you wouldn't need to.

If I'm in with dd2 then I go.

I send dd1 and ds to the appropriate loo though!

omg you use it
how very dare you

of course you should or just wait.
what willlthe mummies go if thier little darlings can't get into a toilet straight away