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mysonben · 23/10/2009 16:14

I know this is a silly question to ask as i know deep down a lilttle bit of my heart will always cry.
It has been over 2 years since that first awful niggling feeling that maybe something wasn't quite right with DS.
It has taken all this time to finally hear the name of DS'problems. "ASD" as we were told by paed. back on the 15th of april.
So it's been 6 months and it still hurts.
The first two/three months were awful, i thought i was going bonkers, kept crying, didn't sleep well, i was obsessed with trying to find info , anything that would tell me for sure that DS did or preferably didn't have asd. I couldn't stand it and i was frantic looking for? answers? ...i'm not sure what i was looking for exactly. All i know is i dreamed, lived and breathed asd.
Then as weeks went by the more i was accepting it, the easier it became, less tears, more understanding, less panic.

But each and every time we get a report and i read "ritualistic and obsessive behaviours" or "autistic features" to describe my DS i fall apart again.
The big crunch was the GARS.2 test on wednesday, and when we heard "he scores 124 , that's a 95 % likelyhood it's asd."
My heart broke again. Why? It's not like it 's new by now , but it still hurts when i sit and start to think about DS , his present and future difficluties, it all get too much and i just start to cry again.
Am i just an over sensitive weakling? or do you feel the same too sometimes?

And ds1 who is 16 y, and nt, really cried today (i heard him weeping in his room and thought his girlfriend had broke with him!).
When he did agree to speak to me, he told me he was upset because his little bro has asd.
And it's hard and unfair!
DS1 is worried that Ben will be like C when he is older and it makes him sad (C has HFA and is in ds1's class), and people will think he is just so weird. Because that's how DS1 thought of C before he knew he had HFA.
... (ds1 does like C btw, but he can't accept that his brother will be facing similar difficulties when he gets older)
It's complicated! I tried my best to cheer him up , and explain that HFA isn't the end of the world, and that DS2 will not be exactly like C as he is his own unique self just as anyone else.

Sorry for such a long post, had to get it out...

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StarlightMcKenzie · 25/10/2009 13:34

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meltedmarsbars · 25/10/2009 14:17

Starlight: my dd2 was apparently normal at birth - it wasn't until she didn't reach the milestones that we realised something was amiss - and now she has a diagnosis, it doesn't make it any easier.

There is often no treatment with many rare syndromes, and many complications that appear as the child grows, compromising their health further. Thats why it is called a "life limiting" condition. And no matter how much physio etc we do, does it really matter in the end?

It has been described to me as a grieving process, with hurt, anger, frustration, bewilderment all at once.

Like a bereavement, it never truely goes away, but the pain does lessen with time.

Seeing a toddler ride on their father's shoulders used to be very painful - there no way my dd2 has the body strength to do that. Seeing my sisters' (younger) dd overtake mine in a few paltry months hurt.

But I have 2 other kids and a husband and owe it to them to keep going and make the best of it.

Mysonben: does your local autism society run a siblings group? It is well worth it for the subsidised trips and social links for your other son.

debs40 · 25/10/2009 14:35

Dtarlight- No it didn't at all .

I have to say that I understand the sadness but my main emotion is frustration for my son and at the crapness and low professional standards that about everywhere you look.

I've been brought up with a brother with profound disabilities and I'm still the main 'carer' for him. I think that, although I get hugely annoyed when people don't 'get' DS' problems, I have learnt to be pretty phlegmatic about life's twists and turns.

Some people don't get it. Some people will never get it. Some people are ignorant about lots of things in life. As long as DS gets the help he needs and knows his own worth, he'll be ok. The system might fail him, but we won't.

There are many 'NT' people out there with deficits in many areas and limited social skills. They may have had a crap upbringing, no opportunity, no support, they may suffer depression, other mental health problems, they may get ill.

To be honest, I know which future I'd rather have.

meltedmarsbars · 25/10/2009 14:40

Now you put it like that, I'd rather be in my situation!

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debs40 · 25/10/2009 15:22

But Starlight, we are all at risk of lots of things NT or not. That is what I'm trying to say. Who knows what the future holds? None of us can control anything and I suppose what I'm trying to say is it's not necessarily the disability in front of us (the problems we can see) that will cause the problems in life.

For example, my sister has suffered life long chronic depression. My brother is profoundly disabled. My parents both died of cancer in their 40s. They had made no provision for my brother so I have had to sort that out. If they had, our lives would have been easier. It has not been his disability but their denial and unwillingness to tackle things on a practical level that has caused a problem.

You deal with what you've got. Yes, you allow yourself moments when you go 'arrgh why me' but I have to say, for me personally, in comparison to other things I have encountered in my life, in respect of my son, I feel lucky.

I think there are degrees of disability and what you are going through Starlight seems far worse.

For now, I concentrate on getting DS the help he needs and fighting a penny pinching bureacratic system.

debs40 · 25/10/2009 15:35

I meant of course far worse than my situation.

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debs40 · 25/10/2009 17:18

No, I think you've had a hell of a battle on your hands and always show good sense and humour in dealing with it. It is enough to make you despair. It should not be that tough to get the help you need and I think that is what makes these things so particularly hard to deal with.

eatyourveg · 25/10/2009 19:42

Thought I'd put in my two pennyworth here. try googling "Going to Holland" by Emily Kingsley. Its often handed out to newly diagnosed parents of asd kids. I have read it many times over the past 13 years and I hope you find it helps.

lou031205 · 25/10/2009 20:42

"Going to Holland" is almost universally disliked on this board, eatyourveg, but welcome to MN all the same

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daisy5678 · 25/10/2009 21:42

Prefer these:

Holland Schmolland

If you have a child with autism, which I do, and if you troll the Internet for information, which I have done, you will come across a certain inspirational analogy. It goes like this: Imagine that you are planning a trip to Italy. You read all the latest travel books, you consult with friends about what to pack, and you develop an elaborate itinerary for your glorious trip. The day arrives. You board the plane and settle in with your in-flight magazine, dreaming of trattorias, gondola rides and gelato. However, when the plane lands you discover, much to your surprise, you are not in Italy you are in Holland. You are greatly dismayed at this abrupt and unexpected change in plans. You rant and rave to the travel agency, but it does no good. You are stuck. After a while, you tire of fighting and begin to look at what Holland has to offer. You notice the beautiful tulips, the kindly people in wooden shoes, the French fries and mayonnaise, and you think, ?This isn?t exactly what I planned, but it?s not so bad. It?s just different.? Having a child with autism is supposed to be like this not any worse than having a typical child -- just different.

When I read that, my son was almost three, completely non-verbal and was hitting me over a hundred times a day. While I appreciated the intention of the story, I couldn?t help but think, ?Are they kidding? We are not in some peaceful countryside dotted with windmills. We are in a country under siege dodging bombs, trying to board overloaded helicopters, bribing officials all the while thinking, ?What happened to our beautiful life??

That was 5 years ago. My son is now 8 and though we have come to accept that he will always have autism, we no longer feel like citizens of a battle torn nation. With the help of countless dedicated therapists and teachers, biological interventions, and an enormously supportive family, my son has become a fun-loving, affectionate boy with many endearing qualities and skills. In the process we?ve created? well? our own country, with its own unique traditions and customs.

It?s not a war zone, but it?s still not Holland. Let?s call it Schmolland. In Schmolland, it is perfectly customary to lick walls, rub cold pieces of metal across your mouth and line up all your toys end to end. You can show affection by giving a ?pointy chin.? A ?pointy chin? is when you act like you are going to hug someone and just when you are really close, you jam your chin into the other person?s shoulder. For the person giving the ?pointy chin? this feels really good, for the receiver not so much ? but you get used to it. For citizens of Schmolland, it is quite normal to repeat lines from videos to express emotion. If you are sad, you can look downcast and say ?Oh Pongo.? When mad or anxious, you might shout, ?Snow can?t stop me!? or ?Duchess, kittens, come on!? Sometimes, ?And now our feature presentation? says it all. In Schmolland, there?s not a lot to do, so our citizens find amusement wherever they can. Bouncing on the couch for hours, methodically pulling feathers out of down pillows, and laughing hysterically in bed at 4:00am, are all traditional Schmutch pastimes.

The hard part about living in our country is dealing with people from other countries. We try to assimilate ourselves and mimic their customs, but we aren?t always successful. It?s perfectly understandable that an 8-year-old boy from Schmolland would steal a train from a toddler at the Thomas the Tank Engine Train Table at Barnes and Noble. But this is clearly not understandable or acceptable in other countries, and so we must drag our 8 year old out of the store kicking and screaming while all the customers look on with stark, pitying stares. But we ignore these looks and focus on the exit sign because we are a proud people. Where we live, it is not surprising when an 8-year-old boy reaches for the fleshy part of a woman?s upper torso and says, ?Do we touch boodoo?? We simply say, ?No we don?t touch boodoo? and go on about our business. It?s a bit more startling in other countries, however, and can cause all sorts of cross-cultural misunderstandings. And, though most foreigners can get a drop of water on their pants and still carry on, this is intolerable to certain citizens in Schmolland who insist that the pants must come off no matter where they are, and regardless of whether another pair of pants are present.

Other families who are affected by autism are familiar and comforting to us, yet are still separate entities. Together we make up a federation of countries, kind of like Scandinavia. Like a person from Denmark talking with a person from Norway, (or in our case someone from Schmenmark talking with someone from Schmorway), we share enough similarities in our language and customs to understand each other, but conversations inevitably highlight the diversity of our traditions. ?Oh your child is a runner? Mine won?t go to the bathroom without asking permission.? ?My child eats paper. Yesterday he ate a whole video box.? ?My daughter only eats 4 foods, all of them white.? ?My son wants to blow on everyone.? ?My son can?t stand to hear the word no. We can?t use any negatives at all in our house.? ?We finally had to lock up the VCR because my son was obsessed with the rewind button.?

There is one thing we all agree on: we are a growing population. 10 years ago, 1 in 10,000 children had autism. Today the rate is approximately 1 in 250. Something is dreadfully wrong. Though the causes of the increase are still being hotly debated, a number of parents and professionals believe genetic pre-disposition has collided with too many environment insults toxins, chemicals, anti-biotics, vaccines to create immunological chaos in the nervous systems of developing children. One medical journalist speculated that these children are like the proverbial ?canary in the coal mine? here to alert us to the growing dangers in our environment. While this is certainly not a view shared by all in the autism community, it feels true to me.
I hope that researchers discover the magic bullet we all so desperately crave. And I will never stop investigating new treatments and therapies that might help my son. But more and more my priorities are shifting from what ?could be? to ?what is.? I look around at this country my family has created, with all its unique customs, and it feels like home. For us, any time spent ?nation-building? is time well spent.

WELCOME TO BEIRUT by Susan F. Rzucidlo (Beginner's Guide to Autism)

"I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with autism-to try and help people who have not shared in that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this.."

There you are, happy in your life, one or two little ones at your feet. Life is complete and good. One of the children is a little different than the other but of course, he's like your in-laws, and you did marry into the family. It can't be all that bad. One day someone comes up from behind you and throws a black bag over your head. They start kicking you in the stomach and trying to tear your heart out. You are terrified, kicking and screaming you struggle to get away but there are too many of them, they overpower you and stuff you into a trunk of a car. Bruised and dazed, you don't know where you are. What's going to happen to you? Will you live through this? This is the day you get the diagnosis. "YOUR CHILD HAS AUTISM"!

There you are in Beirut, dropped in the middle of a war. You don't know the language and you don't know what is going on. Bombs are dropping "Life long diagnosis" and "Neurologically impaired". Bullets whiz by "refrigerator mother" " A good smack is all HE needs to straighten up". Your adrenaline races as the clock ticks away your child's chances for "recovery". You sure as heck didn't sign up for this and want out NOW! God has over estimated your abilities.
Unfortunately, there is no one to send your resignation to. You've done everything right in your life, well you tried, well, you weren't caught too often. Hey! You've never even heard of autism before. You look around and everything looks the same, but different. Your family is the same, your child is the same, but now he has a label and you have a case worker assigned to your family. She'll call you soon. You feel like a lab rat dropped into a maze.

Just as you start to get the first one figured out ( early intervention) they drop you into a larger more complex one (school). Never to be outdone, there is always the medical intervention maze. That one is almost never completed.

There is always some new "miracle" drug out there. It helps some kids, will it help yours? You will find some if the greatest folks in the world are doing the same maze you are, maybe on another level but a special-ed maze just the same. Tapping into those folks is a great life line to help you get through the day. This really sucks but hey, there are still good times to be had. WARNING! You do develop an odd sense of humor. Every so often you get hit by a bullet or bomb - not enough to kill you, only enough to leave a gaping wound. Your child regresses for no apparent reason, and it feels like a kick in the stomach. Some bully makes fun of your kid and your heart aches. You're excluded from activities and functions because of your child and you cry. Your other children are embarrassed to be around your disabled child and you sigh. You're insurance company refuses to provide therapies for "chronic, life long conditions" and your blood pressure goes up. Your arm aches from holding onto the phone with yet another bureaucrat or doctor or therapist who holds the power to improve or destroy the quality of your child's life with the stroke of a pen. You're exhausted because your child doesn't sleep.

And yet, hope springs eternal.
Yes there is hope. There ARE new medications. There IS research going on. There are interventions that help. Thank God for all those who fought so hard before you came along. Your child will make progress. When he speaks for the first time, maybe not until he is 8 yrs old, your heart will soar. You will know that you have experienced a miracle and you will rejoice. The smallest improvement will look like a huge leap to you. You will marvel at typical development and realize how amazing it is. You will know sorrow like few others and yet you will know joy above joy. You will meet dirty faced angels on playgrounds who are kind to your child without being told to be. There will be a few nurses and doctors who treat your child with respect and who will show you concern and love like few others. Knowing eyes will meet yours in restaurants and malls; they'll understand; they are living through similar times. For those people you will be forever grateful. Don't get me wrong. This is war and its awful. There are no discharges and when you are gone, someone else will have to fight in your place.
But, there are lulls in wars, times when the bullets aren't flying and bombs aren't dropping. Flowers are seen and picked. Life long friendships are forged. You share and odd kinship with people from all walks of life. Good times are had, and because we know how bad the bad times are, the good times are even better. Life is good even though your life is never normal again, but hey, what fun is normal?

lou031205 · 25/10/2009 21:48

Schmolland - I recognise it vaguely

debs40 · 25/10/2009 22:26

Givememoresleep - interesting quotes. I think they also make it obvious that there is a spectrum as well as a diversity of impact on people's lives.

It just helps me to think this way:

Wanting to eat odd stuff (paper, bark, leaves), only ever wearing the same socks, only eating pizza, throwing up at smells other people can't smell, doing things in the same way always, not being able to recognise if I'm angry or sad, not knowing if I'm talking to him, collapsing with floppiness and not be able to wipe your bum etc etc - it could be worse.

No, really, it could.

As long as he stays at home with me FOREVER - he'll be just fine

cory · 25/10/2009 22:28

Starlight, some physical disabilities are extremely variable. My dd has had days when she can walk like other children, and days when she's screamed in pain when lifted onto the loo. It can change literally in seconds. She has absolutely no means of knowing when she starts crossing the road if she will get to the other side, let alone an idea of what her life will be like in years to come. Sometimes she is in a wheelchair, sometimes she does dancing lessons.

It took us 8 years for her to be diagnosed- before that her pain was put down to psychosomatic problems (it was even suggested that she had been sexually abused). She is still struggling from years of having been told by doctors that she could not possibly be in pain and wondering if she was going mad.

Ds is going the same way: he will be out playing with his cousins when someone comes running to say he needs the wheelchair, because the pain has come on and he cannot walk.

So physical disabilities are not necessarily all that predictable.

mysonben · 25/10/2009 22:44

GivemeSOC, Thanks for taking the time to write this piece about Schmolland, ...seems like we are close neighbours.

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janess404 · 25/10/2009 23:16

It is very hard but i have stopped looking for answers and worrying about the things i cannot change:

without his autism my son would be a different person and i love him so so much he is unique its a journey that we are going through together.

I guess you will always feel you got dealt a bad hand, or worry abut the future etc but sometimes you gotta just enjoy the time we have with our children with or without autism i read posts about peoples children with little time to live or severe illness and crying out in pain or about people who have lost their children and i am grateful for my son and how he is with his SN but alive and happy.

I hope things start looking up for you OP

drlove8 · 25/10/2009 23:37

i am ashamed to admit i had a "wobble" today.
i saw a little girl in a shop , with her mother.... she looked like dd4, but she was smiling and laughing and talking to her mum, asking for some hair accesories . i wanted to cry ... im so .... i thought ,that should be me with dd4, but its not, she cant,its not fair, what did i do wrong?.
then i came home . dd4 was running up and down the sitting room, over and over, screatching and laughing... then i thought she's happy in herself.... how awful am i to thought what i did?.

mysonben · 26/10/2009 00:04

Drlove8, you are not awful to have thought what you did. You are only human, and it is natural at times to wish for a little more. And i'm certain a lot of us do it now and then (even if we don't always like to admit it ). We all have our positive happy times and sad ones.
I have days when i feel bad, angry (why my ds? why me?...),and fed up with it all.
And other days when i look at my ds and see that despite his difficulties he is happy, that i am lucky to have him and that the important thing is to help him progress to the best he can be.

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janess404 · 26/10/2009 00:27

DRLOVE8: its normal feelings its not awful but you cant live a life of WHAT IFS or I WISH. Maybe buy the hair accessories anyway thats what i do try and treat my child like any other.

You never know it could become her new favourite thing. Dont feel bad.

daisy5678 · 26/10/2009 01:16

No, no, no! I didn't write Welcome to Schmolland or Welcome to Beirut. I just like to put them up when Holland is trotted out as, between the 3 of them, I think they effectively sum up the range of experiences and reactions (all of which are OK and valid). I relate to those two a lot more than I do to Holland.

mysonben I think it hits us differently at different times. I physically ache when J tells me about something another child's said or done about him being mad or evil or naughty, or when I see him left out. But then I guess I try and find things to be upbeat about e.g. today I read something about teenage drug addiction and thought, J will never be in the park dealing/ buying drugs, as he will never be allowed to be in that situation. You can see I have to reach a bit at times - today's not been a good one!

jabberwocky · 26/10/2009 01:25

mysonben, I'm so sorry...I don't really have the right words but just had to post. Ds1 is a trial at times but can be so "normal" at others that I occasionally want to pretend that everything is OK.

But then I have patients who seem to progress and I have such hope and then they stop or seem to regress and I feel so sad, sometimes I think even more than the parents, because I always have hope that with more therapy they can become more functional and more interactive.

I've had a bit of wine tonight and am not at my most literate but have posted on your threads before and felt that I needed to now as well.

Rant as much as you want...it's healthy and we all need to.

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cyberseraphim · 26/10/2009 07:17

I know it's not relevant to the discussion but I'm assuming that the author of Schmolland means trawl the internet not troll the internet !

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