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In shock - baby born with Down's syndrome completely unexpectedly - please help

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mountaingoat · 31/10/2007 23:42

Three weeks ago I gave birth to a beautiful baby girl, my second child. For 3 hours we were elated. Then we were told that she had some facial abnormalities which would need to be looked at further. From the delivery suite we were taken back to the post natal ward and put in a private room, at which point alarm bells started ringing. Shortly after that, a crowd of doctors came into the room and told us that our daughter has Down's syndrome. At that point it felt as though the sky had fallen in. I am 33; we have one beautiful, bright, perfect son (aged 3), and it had never entered our heads (very arrogantly I now realise) that we might have a child who was anything other than perfect too. We had the nuchal translucency scan at 12 weeks and were given a 1 in 5600 risk. We had (wrongly) treated that result as a no risk result, and hadn't thought again about DS. I cried for two days, and I have never felt such pain and sadness in my life. I am ashamed to say that I knew nothing about Down's Syndrome other than that it was a disability. I am now slowly coming to terms with the situation. It is made easier by the fact that our daughter is a delightful, cute, darling baby, who I love just as much as my DS. We have also had tremendous support from the NHS (which, I am also ashamed to say, I have never had a good word for in the past)I would love to hear from anyone else who this happened to - I have read lots from people who knew that their baby had Down's before he/she was born, or where people knew they were at high risk. We were low risk and had no idea at all and I think coping with the shock has probably been the hardest thing. Also, whilst people keep saying very positive things about Down's I feel so so sad and I don't know how to cope with that. Please help.

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jezzemx · 01/11/2007 11:23

Congrats
You will get loads of support and brilliant advice on here and of couse lots of hugs!!
congratulations to you and your family x

Blu · 01/11/2007 11:32

this article

hunkermunker · 01/11/2007 11:32

This one, Blu?

Congratulations on the birth of your DD, mountaingoat - your description of her is beautiful

hunkermunker · 01/11/2007 11:32

Ah, crossed posts! Mine's to the thread though.

LadyVictoriaOfCake · 01/11/2007 11:34

congratulations on the birth of your dd2 mountaingoat. she sounds gorgeous and a delight.

Thomcat/teecee always writes beuatifully about her dd1, and i have to say that some of her posts reduce me to happy tears, as the happiness and love she feels for all of her children just shine through.

Blu · 01/11/2007 11:37

mountaingoat - sorry - I know we are doing what you say everyone is doing - telling you positive things - and geekgirl, having had the experience you are having - has answered the immediate feelings you have.

You are being brave and honest - tears and shock don't mean that you have any less love for your dd - many pepole on the SN board understand that.

MicrowaveOnly · 01/11/2007 12:05

drN cool analogy. Must remember that one!

Graciefer · 01/11/2007 12:05

Hi there Mountaingoat,
As yurt1 said this happened to me just 7 weeks ago, I have a son who is 4.8yrs and is severly autisic, foolishly I was sure in my heart throughout my pregnancy that I would have a "normal" child this time.

Of course we were prepared that this probably would'nt be the case and the likelyhood was that this child would be on the autistic spectrum somewhere. I just kept my fingers crossed that if this were the case then it would be at the lower end and that we would manage.

Well when he was born after 4 scans 2 of which were in the last 8 weeks (although I know that these can't spot downs) we were completely knocked for 6. We had'nt even contemplated downs not even for a second and this was'nt due to "it will never happen to me" because as I say it already had, I guess i just thought that lightning would'nt strike the same place twice and that god/fate/mother nature/destiny was'nt some sicko taking the piss .

When I came round from the gas and air for all the stuff they were doing to me down there(a whole other story)I looked at him and said "he looks like he's got Downs" (facial features obvious) and the midwife came rushing aver and said "I'm so glad you said that as I didnt know how to approach it", my husband also recognised it straight away too and was worried about how he was going to tell me. Well that was'nt all he also has bilateral talipies (2 club feet)so it was a kind of double blow really!!

So now that I have babbled on and on, my advise to you is to grieve for the child you didnt have and had dreamt of and made plans and aspirations for and remember fingers crossed the learning difficulties will be something that you and your wonderful, beautiful dd will be able to overcome .

The welcome to Holland verse and mumsnet really helped my dh and I to come to terms with ds1 and when my dh came to visit the morning after ds2 was born he said to me "welcome back to Holland" and at that moment I knew that everything would be just fine and we would cope no probs

Last but not least remember that all the things you are feeling right now and have felt are completely natural and normal and we have all been there, they are all part of the process and soon you will forget that she even has DS I know we forget already only 7 weeks on.
goodluck and much love to you and your family
you can email me to chat if you like at graciefer at lineone dot net

NAB3sparklesandflashes · 01/11/2007 13:05

Congratulations on your DD's arrival. What is her name?

I am sorry you have had such a shock and have been so upset. You will get all the support you want on here.

MaryAnnSingleton · 01/11/2007 13:11

congratulations from me too !

heartinthecountry · 01/11/2007 13:23

Mountaingoat - congratulations on the birth of your daughter and without wanting to sound patronising well done for posting here! It can take quite a lot to do that in the early days when everything seems so terribly raw. I remember not wanting to talk to parents of children with disabilities at first because I was afraid of offending them by saying how utterly shit I felt, how much I wanted my child to not be disabled. Now I am one of them I know that it is normal and we've all been there.

I don't have a child with DS but my dd1 has learning disabilities and functions quite similarly to many children with DS.

As others have said, allow yourself to grieve. And know that grieving doesn't mean you love your dd any less. It can be really hard because you can also start feeling guilty for feeling sad about your child, when they are there with you and they are wonderful in their way. How can you feel sad about a child who you love so much? It is normal. It is a process we all go through. And it takes time.

About a year after my dd1 was diagnosed I remember telling a friend that I thought I would never feel truly happy again. I'm glad to say that isn't true. I do feel joy often these days, and very often that is because of my dd1.

Having a child with disabilities is never what I would have chosen. I still wouldn't if I am honest. But I would never ever not choose my dd1.

IamDaisy · 01/11/2007 13:24

congratulations on the birth of your DD mountaingoat. You've come to the right place for support. Enjoy your lovely DD to the full. Our friends DD has DS, also unexpected. She is just gorgeous and brightens the heart of everyone she meets

DrNorthener, your post about Holland vs Italy made me cry.

CarGirl · 01/11/2007 13:28

Congratulations on your little girl, this happened to my friend with her 3rd child, again very low risk so a complete shock to them. My friend was very very not impressed about her dc for several weeks(her words) so your reactions sounds very common. Over time she came to terms with and sees her the life ahead of the dc as different to her others but still a future.

I hope it all goes well and you get the support you need.

bullet123 · 01/11/2007 13:37

Congratulations on the birth of mini-mountain goat .
Have you ever heard of a passage called "Welcome to Holland"? Did you know that the woman who wrote it (Emily Perl Kinsley) is the founder of the American Downs Association and she wrote it about her feelings and experiences on raising her son who was born with down syndrome in 1974. The passage was written in 1974. This is it:

"WELCOME TO HOLLAND
by
Emily Perl Kingsley.

c1987 by Emily Perl Kingsley. All rights reserved

I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability - to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this......

When you're going to have a baby, it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guide books and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum. The Michelangelo David. The gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting.

After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, "Welcome to Holland."

"Holland?!?" you say. "What do you mean Holland?? I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy."

But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay.

The important thing is that they haven't taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place, full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place.

So you must go out and buy new guide books. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met.

It's just a different place. It's slower-paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around.... and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills....and Holland has tulips. Holland even has Rembrandts.

But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy... and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned."

And the pain of that will never, ever, ever, ever go away... because the loss of that dream is a very very significant loss.

But... if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you may never be free to enjoy the very special, the very lovely things ... about Holland."

Amester · 01/11/2007 13:49

Hi Mountaingoat,

Congratulations on the birth of your dd.

I have been a bit of a lurker on the special needs board over the past 2 months but felt I had to post now.

9 weeks ago I gave birth to my beautiful daughter and same as you not long after she was born it was suspected that she had Down Syndrome and then confirmed with a blood test a week later. Me and dh were in complete shock, I am 25 and whilst we had not had the NC scan my blood test had given me a 'risk' (hate that term now!) of 1 in 1000.

As someone who is a few weeks down the line from you, can I just tell you that you will be fine! The shock and feelings of sadness get less and less each day you get to know your wonderful baby.

The best advice I received was to not focus too much on your baby having Down Syndrome, just enjoy your baby as you would enjoy any other baby.

I have also found the NHS to be excellent. We already receive Portage visits (see www.portage.org.uk for more info), which I would recommend that you ask your HV about. Portage is a home visiting service which helps with the educational and developmental needs of your child.

I would also recommend you join your local Down Syndrome support group. In the early weeks I met a lady with a one year old DS who has Down Syndrome and it really helped me to see that he is just a normal cheeky one year old boy, who just happens to have Down Syndrome.

Hope some of this info has been helpful, I am probably forgeting to add things as I'm trying to quickly type whilst dd is taking a nap. Do let me know if you want any more info.

Amester xx

Thomcat · 01/11/2007 13:58

Hi MountainGoat.

Congratulations on the birth of your daughter

What a time you've had of it aye, becoming a mum of 2 is a shock to the system anyway and then to find out your DD has Down's syndrome when you had no idea is of course a huge shock. But it is one you'll get over, I promise

I too have a daughter with Down's syndrome and wasn't aware beforehand and am happy to chat to you about my experience and about Charlotte. I'm no expert on having a child with DS you understand, I have no idea at all really, I just know what it's like to be Charlotte's mum!

I had my eldest, Lottie, nearly 6 years ago now. I was 30 when she was born. I had the basic blood tests and was put into the 'low risk' group and I just carried on being pregnant and thought no more other than getting my head round being a mum for the first time etc.

I had a great pregnancy and a really great birth. The second she was passed to me I took one look and almost my very first though was - 'she's got Down's syndrome'. I pushed it away though, too scared to do anything else. But as I breastfed her and the midwife was doing her thing I looked at her eyes, the large space between them, the big deep fold round the back of her neck and it seemed so obvious, so I said it out loud. I didn't think for a second the midwife would agree, or maybe I knew she would, just prayed she'd disagree? But she said 'yes she does doesn't she'

When they bought in a mattress for my DP to sleep on overnight I knew. It wasn't confirmed till the next morning. We were taken into a little side room where I was told to move and sit on the plastic chair, away from my DP, 'just incase I was still bleeding'! Anyway, anyway, it was confirmed and I spent the rest of the day sobbing and drinking tea. All the 'why me' stuff and shock etc gushed out, it was awful.

We realised that we still hadn't told anyone we'd had our baby so started the calls. That was really awful. We were so shocked and upset still. My mum was on her way into work and apparently I said to her that I didn't know if she'd live. She broke down on the traina nd was helped off by a young girl (whom she still keeps in touch with now!) I have no recollection of any of this. I just know that as we worked our way down the list we should change the way we were telling people and approach it from a more positive angle. We were devastated that our big moment, announcing the birth of our first born, something meant to be so special and such a happy moment, was being robbed from us.

Anyway, visitors began to arrive and I took them in to intensive care to see her. They all told me how beautiful she was but I kept my distance. I was terrified and in shock and didn't know what to do but keeping away seemed the best and only thing for me to do. The next day she was taken by ambulance to the Royal Brompton to check for any heart defect. We went by car. 3 of our friends arrived and drove us, I still don't know how they knew to be there!

As I watched her, this teeny tiny naked body in an incubator, wires evrywhere, ambulance men wheeling her along, a crowd of people in white coats, my heart doubled in size and the shock was replaced by an overwhelming urge to protect her. As we were ushered into the room where they looked at her heart all eyes were on the screen as they scanned her. All except mine. I had mine fixed on the man doing the scanning. I though if he sees something bad I'll see it in his eyes first and I'll know. But then he smiled, she was ok, and I realised she may have Down's syndrome but she was healthy and she was mine.

When we got back to the local hospital I held her for the first time since she had been born and realised she's not been fed again by me so asked if it would be ok. I was warned it may be difficult as children with DS can have trouble latching on. No such trouble came and I felt so proud of her and as I sat thee feding her I fell in love and I knew everything would be ok.

And 6 years on it still is.

It's starting to get hard as her difference start to show more that she is in year 1 of a mainstream school. We've also had another 2 girls since Charlotte's birth and I can see how much easier things are. But nothing to do with being a parent is easy and nothing to do with being a parent to a child with special needs feels like too much hard work.

In the early days people kept asking how I was, how was I coping, how was I feeling and so on. I'd reply 'I was ok, I had a beautiful baby girl' but secretly I was waiting to break down, for the sky to fall in and for me to collapse under it. I waited and waited, meanwhile I just got on with being a mum. She was such a good baby, so peaceful, these huge eyes would follow me round the room, she was so alert and then she'd sleep and sleep through the night, oh it was just bliss. This being a mum was esay!! But when was it all going to go wrong? I wish I known it wasn't going to a bit sooner.

I did still grieve for the child I thought I was going to have. The names we had picked out were scrapped, they weren't for this little girl, this little girl with Down's syndrome we weren't expecting, so we started again.

But alongside grieving for the son I thought I'd have I fell more and more in love with my daughter and felt so proud of her. My friends and family were amazing and I felt really loved by everyone and like I was being carried, like if I fell there was a huge safety net waiting to catch me.

Then as weeks went by I found Portage, and the NHS provided me with speech and language, occupational and physiotherapy. I saw these appointments as my version of NCT coffee mornings! I got disability living allowance, and since help with a car, a disabled parking badge, all this wonderful support that i didn't really feel worthy of!

And far from the sky falling in the world became a pretty wonderful, happy place to be, and in the centre of it all was|Lottie, my sunshine.

She's such a charmer, so saucy, so stubborn, strongwilled. I'm blessed, we are all blessed to have her in our lives, her and others like her.

So, that's basically it.

I'm going to go and find you 2 links to things I think you might like to read and meanwhile, I live in Pinner, outside |London,near Harrow so if you are near and ever want to meet I'm happy to. Or you could call or email. And if click on my profile you can see pictures of the little lady in question.

Keep talking. I'll be back to this thread to see if you have any questions or just want tp chat more.

It really is all going to be ok

Thomcat · 01/11/2007 14:05

Jesus, i do goon don't I,sorry!

The links i was looking for were the Holland poem and the article by simonBarnes and you have them both now.

Allow yourself time to grieve Mountaingoat, it's somthing you have to do, and if you like we can all be here for you when you want to rant and cry. But we'll also be here to celebrate in the many happy times you have ahead.

hunkermunker · 01/11/2007 14:06

You're so lovely, TC.

Piffle · 01/11/2007 14:10

oh TC that's is beautiful it got tears from me...

zippitippitoes · 01/11/2007 14:15

Tc what a magical post..you write so well ..

hope all goes well for you all

bodycolder · 01/11/2007 14:15

Congratulations on you rbaby.All these messages of support are lovely Thomcat your little girl is gorgeous and your post had me the old cynic in tears.This is what MN is about really xx

Crocky · 01/11/2007 14:21

Congrats Mountaingoat.

Thomcat, I was hoping you would arrive. You have such a wonderful way with words and your daughters are truly beautiful.

Saturn74 · 01/11/2007 14:22

TC, your posts are amazing.

feetheart · 01/11/2007 14:23

You've done it again TC, written SO eloquently about Lottie that I'm in tears

Mountaingoat - I hope this is helping

LadyOfTheFlowers · 01/11/2007 14:24

Thanks TC! Got me crying! You write it all in such a 'calming' way.

Congrats Mountaingoat.
Are you okay?
If you are on, could you post to let us all know you are fine?
There are loads of people here to talk to if you need it. Don't bottle things up and dont be afraid to say whatever you are feeling.