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34 month old Ds with speech and language delay/possible autism?

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Mum2prince · 10/10/2019 23:36

This may be a lengthy post, so thank you in advance for anyone who reads and replies Smile.

My nearly 3 year old Ds has been delayed in reaching his speech and language milestones since he was 18months and I've been concerned about ASD ever since then. He crawled walked and babbled on time and we even thought he was advanced as he would clap at the appropriate time if you sang "if your happy and you know it" at only 6 months. I went to university when he was 9 minths old and my mum looked after him during the day and my DH had him in the evening till I came home 4 days out of the week. He got alot of interaction as he is the 1st grandchild but the TV was always on in the background and he watches it for the entire day ( complete peppa pig addict). I regret this so much and now feel like the crappest mum ever Sad. Fast forward to when he was nearly turning 2 I realised he was more placid than other toddlers his age, very happy boy but no real communication other than playing tickle/chasing games. Although he would comfort you if you were cry ing or hurt from 12months old and still does. His receptive language then was limited to NO, stop and give me a kiss or hug. He also had problems chewing food, he would eat but not swallow and lived on drinking milk. At that point I took him to the gp and got referral for ears, speech therapy and pead.

Audiologist said he passed the test for the most part Confused but wanted him back in 6 months to see how he was because it wasn't completly clear. Pead gave him some toys and said he wasn't showing any pretend play with doll or tea set (he didn't have at home to play with) so was concerned about social communication, but on the other hand could see he had good eye contact and listened to instructions for instance wanted to touch fan but stopped because I gave him "That look" and also sat down when I told him to. She also wanted him to come back in 6months or so.

I found out soon after that i was pregnant and I have hyperemesis graviderum (severe sickness) and was hospitalised often and when i wasn't in hospital I couldn't care for him thank god for my family who took charge and let me rest. It was a really hard time for me not being able to help him though I knew he needed me Sad. After having ds2 I realised ds1 improving, singing every nursery rhyme under the sun, saying some words like baby (his brother), goodbye, good night. He now has about 30 words, the only problem is he won't say the without promoting, I always have to say "what's this ds1" and he will say "apple" for example. But doesn't answer any questions. Doesn't say yes and very rarely says no. He says stop all the time though if he is annoyed by you for example creaming his face before nursery Hmm. His receptive language is far better and will respond to what you say woth actions for example do you want a bath? He will go to the bathroom and undress. Do you want a sweet (His multivitamin) will get excited and laugh and wait to receive it.

My main concerns are now his lack of pointing, and his hand leading to what he wants, he will take me to the garden if he wants to play outside, or take me to his play area if he wants me to play with him. He won't point to things of interest outside but will follow a point when i say look at that dog or bird etc. All red flags I know. He goes to nursery every afternoon for 3 hours and soon will be attending 1 full day a week. Nursery seem to think it's just a speech delay as they have seen many cases sometimes worse than ds1 turn out to be just that. But he still won't play with children, will play alongside and will watch them play but won't initiate.

NHS has been useless and he had one block of group speech therapy that turned out to be useless. We then went abroad for the summer for 2 months to visit family. Learnt a few more words not much, still hand leading but receptive language much better at this point following instructions better also.

Nursery have noticed the changed in him, I started to relax more and just help him progress by doing lots of SLT excersises at home with him. Booked him a private speech assesment recently and she says although he is slowly progressing with language she sees the lack of joint attention. He was doing the puzzle and saying pig but was not looking up at her. This has made me worried sick all over again.

Oh and also has a few 'quirks' very rarely wil flap hands when excited but will stop when told to clap instead. Also he has started to line up his Lego and sing "there were 10 in the bed and the little one said roll over" and push them off the table one by one.. don't know if this is pretend play or repetitive play. Still won't pretend play unless prompted though he did pretend play at the private salt appointment. She said she is worried about his eyesight (lazy eye, squints while reading snooping at pictures) also advised me to follow up audiologist. At this point in so concerned I've booked him in for eye and ENT dr probably for beginning of NOV. I have also decided to start 25 hours of ABA therapy as I don't want to wait for his to take ages with diagnosis as he has problems communicating and is still very behind on language. Despite what private salt said (though I'm glad she did as it has now lit fire under my bum to move things along) me and nursery were impressed with his slow but steady progress and just put his odd behaviours down to severe speech and language delay.

Soooo sorry for the long post, I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts or has been through something similar. I've been worried sick I'm sure I'll feel better once therapy gets started but right now it hurts to see him so far behind his peers. He's very affectionate and happy (though his frustration when he can't tell me what he wants is heartbreaking) , has no preference for routine. Loves his grandparents, eats okay (won't eat veg) and sleeps well. Still not potty trained though that is due to my laziness as I'm putting it off till Xmas holidays as I've got alot on woth newborn and uni.

@lingle

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SparkleTwilight · 11/10/2019 01:10

Have you heard of PECs? The speech and language therapist might suggest introducing it to encourage verbal communication. I would highly recommend it, my son quickly learnt to verbally ask for things and began verbally communicating once he mastered PECs.

Mum2prince · 11/10/2019 10:21

Hi Sparkle,

Thank you for the reply! I'm so glad to hear your son is doing so well Smile. I have heard of PECS before but not looked into it. Although I feel it maybe better for my ds than signing as he is a visual learner. I will definitely find out more and ask what the Aba therapist thinks is best for ds. Can i ask if you ds has a dx?

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Soumia · 11/10/2019 10:23

My non.verb skn started pecs...it is a grwat idea...

@SparkleTwilight

Did u son use Proloquo2Go ?

How long did he use pecs for begore his speech came out?

I know everychild is different...but it helps me to know

I started PECS.ABA since 2 months... he picked pecs so well...but no speech yet :(

JessicaKenny2018 · 11/10/2019 12:25

My son has taken to pecs really well, he is non verbal and we are still on very basic things like if he wants bubbles or a balloon but it's so lovely to actually see him able to communicate what he would like, I highly recommend pecs to anyone

Mum2prince · 11/10/2019 13:45

Wow so great to hear that all your dc have taken well to PECS.

@soumia the fact that the communication is there and ur dc is able to understand the concept of PECS means speech will come I'm sure.

@JessicaKenny2018 thank you for your reccomendation it's so comforting to know it's working and happy for you and your dc.

Have any of your dc been dx? Also how long did it take for them to use the PECS . Thanks x

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JessicaKenny2018 · 11/10/2019 13:52

My son has been diagnosed earlier this year, his diagnosis was autism, global developmental delay, hyper mobile and hypotonic, the pecs took quite a while for him to pick up and as I say we are still at a very early stage with pecs but my little boy who will be 4 in January is functioning around the age of 16-18 months from his latest tracking at nursery so I'm really proud of what he has achieved

Mum2prince · 11/10/2019 14:43

@JessicaKenny2018 I'm so pleased to hear about your sons progress. It's also amazing that you know your sons diagnosis and the areas he needs a little extra hell with and it seems to be paying off Smile. I think the knot in my stomach is not knowing what is going on woth my ds and exactly how to help. NHS is taking so long and going private is so expensive! I hope I will be able to get to the bottom of it and see a difference in my ds too one day. Can you reccomend anything like diet changes? Vitamins? A therapy that you have noticed with your ds. Thanks x

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Mum2prince · 11/10/2019 14:45

Help* not hell Angry autocorrect

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JessicaKenny2018 · 11/10/2019 14:55

I think the thing we found the most helpful was portage, it was portage that brought in pecs because my little boy was on the speech therapy waiting list for 18 months but that's another story and just lots of time spent with him.
The wait to be referred to neurodevelopmental is so frustrating but once we were referred it all went quite quickly

Mum2prince · 11/10/2019 15:32

Portage came once and said they would not return as he goes to nursery every afternoon 😓 I'm not sure if she said she may come to visit nursery or if that is possible but i will defo give them a call on monday

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JessicaKenny2018 · 11/10/2019 16:02

Portage can only come into play if they do less than 12 hours at nursery, we actually purposely reduced my sons hours to keep portage involved as we felt it more beneficial as he was introducing pecs, and he was such a wealth of knowledge, we had our last visit from portage a couple of weeks ago as we have now upped his nursery hours to 15 starting to prepare him for school next September.

lingle · 11/10/2019 17:50

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lingle · 11/10/2019 17:50

"This may be a lengthy post, so thank you in advance for anyone who reads and replies smile."

Thanks for messaging me. I want to apologise in advance for anything I say that is too direct/opinionated/directive. When I was in the place you're in, I was full of empathy and my communication was subtle because I was sensitive to the pain and anxiety of my peers. As things improved for us, all of that gradually went into the rear view mirror and I started to forget how it felt.

I can't post this in one chunk so will break this up.

lingle · 11/10/2019 17:50

"My nearly 3 year old Ds has been delayed in reaching his speech and language milestones since he was 18months and I've been concerned about ASD ever since then. He crawled walked and babbled on time and we even thought he was advanced as he would clap at the appropriate time if you sang "if your happy and you know it" at only 6 months."

Ah - that rings bells! It was my older son (similar profile but it resolved sooner) who did this. But as you know from my old posts my DS2 also had a sort of extreme musicality.

" I went to university when he was 9 months old and my mum looked after him during the day and my DH had him in the evening till I came home 4 days out of the week. He got alot of interaction as he is the 1st grandchild but the TV was always on in the background and he watches it for the entire day ( complete peppa pig addict)."

Can you clarify - is the too much tv thing then or is it continuing? We had this at your son's current age. We went cold turkey after a holiday (we covered the TV with a cloth before getting out of the car). We were pre-ipad but mobile phones and ipads must be an even bigger problem nowadays.

lingle · 11/10/2019 17:51

"I regret this so much and now feel like the crappest mum ever sad"
I understand. Don't though. I had my son at a crap nursery at a similar age and had the same regrets. Regrets hold you back and stops you digging deep into the problem (as does fear).

lingle · 11/10/2019 17:51

"Fast forward to when he was nearly turning 2 I realised he was more placid than other toddlers his age, very happy boy but no real communication other than playing tickle/chasing games."
Very familliar! However, time spent on tickle and chase is always time well spent. I don't regret one moment of tickle and chase and I mean that not just in a sentimental way but also in the context of DS2's issues.

" Although he would comfort you if you were crying or hurt from 12months old and still does."
That's very interesting. My older son did this from 12 months also - it was pretty extraordinary. (he also had receptive language problems). It was as if he was "tilted" towards tone of voice and facial expression rather than content so he was way ahead on reading emotions. I think that's pretty amazing actually x

"His receptive language then was limited to NO, stop and give me a kiss or hug"
ok - so that's around 2? So 10 months ago? If that's your starting point, it's to be expected that he still has a long way to go. It will take time.

"He also had problems chewing food, he would eat but not swallow and lived on drinking milk"
no experience of this. has it resolved?

lingle · 11/10/2019 17:52

"At that point I took him to the gp and got referral for ears, speech therapy and pead. Audiologist said he passed the test for the most part confused but wanted him back in 6 months to see how he was because it wasn't completly clear."

ok - so you'll follow up on this? My poor son was utterly traumatised by the hearing test. I remember being ignored as the audiologist warned him about what was going to happen and then blithely ignored me when I pointed out that DS2 wouldn't understand. It's quite painful to remember :(

"Pead gave him some toys and said he wasn't showing any pretend play with doll or tea set (he didn't have at home to play with) so was concerned about social communication, but on the other hand could see he had good eye contact and listened to instructions for instance wanted to touch fan but stopped because I gave him "That look" and also sat down when I told him to. She also wanted him to come back in 6months or so."

The paed. sounds a bit "checklisty" to me - doing her job but a bit of a limited job. Just deciding what side of an arbitrary line he falls which tbh is neither here nor there really. But it's nice that she picked up on the quality of the interaction/relationship between you with the non-verbal communication though. Reminds me of the headmistress at the school where we went to nursery (after leaving the crap nursery). She said "his eyes light up when he sees you." I've always remembered that.

lingle · 11/10/2019 17:52

"I found out soon after that i was pregnant and I have hyperemesis graviderum (severe sickness) and was hospitalised often and when i wasn't in hospital I couldn't care for him thank god for my family who took charge and let me rest. It was a really hard time for me not being able to help him though I knew he needed me sad."
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" After having ds2 I realised ds1 improving, singing every nursery rhyme under the sun"
:). the music and rhythm aspects of communication coming up again. This is very familiar. Both my kids did this instead of using language in a meaningful way. Both are bloody clever now, btw.....concentration and memory are not an issue!

"saying some words like baby (his brother), goodbye, good night"
Smile. The thing about goodbye and goodnight is that you say them within your routine. I think that's a slightly different type of communication. What happens if you say goodnight first thing in the morning? (my ds would have just been oblivious until about 5 years old - I had to teach him absurdity using tone of voice, which he responded to much better than content." So you point to X and say "Y"! Then you make a face and say. "no - that's silly"! in a hugely exagerrated way. It shows that words can do different jobs - they can refer to someone who isn't here.

"He now has about 30 words, the only problem is he won't say the without promoting, I always have to say "what's this ds1" and he will say "apple" for example"
ok. so he has some words and there is lovely steady progress. He doesn't yet use them for afull range of purposes from what you say. God I got sick of saying "what's that?"

"But doesn't answer any questions"
This is sounding to me like he hasn't quite grasped what questions are for and why answering them/asking them might be useful to him. Does that sound right?

"Doesn't say yes and very rarely says no"
As I understand it, it is normal for "no" to come a long time before "yes". I think you will get more meaningful nos before you get more meaningful yeses. I suspect you will get "mine!" before yes.

"He says stop all the time though if he is annoyed by you for example creaming his face before nursery hmm"
that's good. That sounds "solid" IYSWIM. I think you need to get the "Teach my child to listen and obey" DVDs if they are still made. I am going to dig out an old thread for you in a minute....

"His receptive language is far better and will respond to what you say woth actions for example do you want a bath? He will go to the bathroom and undress. Do you want a sweet (His multivitamin) will get excited and laugh and wait to receive it."
apologies, I know this is hard. From what you've said above - what would happen if you were in Tescos and you said "do you want a bath"? Would he recognise the absurdity? My son wouldn't have at this age (not something I enjoyed figuring out). I think you may want to keep digging deep on the receptive language front. I think a lot of what you describe is intellectual and emotional skills (rhythm, pattern, routine, relating to people's emotions, comforting, joy in art) and still in the process of being expressed in language.

"My main concerns are now his lack of pointing, and his hand leading to what he wants, he will take me to the garden if he wants to play outside, or take me to his play area if he wants me to play with him."
Have people mentioned about not attempting to teach pointing? Pointing is a bit of a red herring IMO and I think it's not recommended to teach it.

"He won't point to things of interest outside but will follow a point when i say look at that dog or bird etc. All red flags I know."
Well, I suppose they are red flags on someone's 2019 checklist but your checklist might be a subtly different one as you are his mum. To put it another way, you could probably teach him to point but it wouldn't be a solution. Sponaneous pointing is evidence of something good going on. That's all. Get the good stuff going on and he'll figure out pointing.

"He goes to nursery every afternoon for 3 hours and soon will be attending 1 full day a week"
Is a nursery attached to a primary school an option? They are usually better. my main regret is not moving him sooner.

"Nursery seem to think it's just a speech delay as they have seen many cases sometimes worse than ds1 turn out to be just that."
Well yes, but how skilled are they? They probably don't have an expertise of a school's SENCO who sees trajectories right up to age 11. Plus who cares if other people grow out of stuff - your child may be the one who needs more help

"But he still won't play with children, will play alongside and will watch them play but won't initiate."
I think that isn't that unusual for his age - but I don't mean that in an amateur diagnosis way, I just mean don't get hung up on it.

"NHS has been useless and he had one block of group speech therapy that turned out to be useless."
I think they are better at expressive language problems...

"We then went abroad for the summer for 2 months to visit family. Learnt a few more words not much, still hand leading but receptive language much better at this point following instructions better also."
so steady progress-encouraging!

"Nursery have noticed the changed in him, I started to relax more and just help him progress by doing lots of SLT excersises at home with him"
What have you been doing?

"Booked him a private speech assesment recently and she says although he is slowly progressing with language she sees the lack of joint attention. He was doing the puzzle and saying pig but was not looking up at her. This has made me worried sick all over again."
I hear you. Try not to get hung up on ASD as an alternative to language issues though. The help for one is the same as the help for the other.

"Oh and also has a few 'quirks' very rarely wil flap hands when excited but will stop when told to clap instead."
I'm not sure you should correct this, any more than correcting the non-pointing. You're not trying to get him to imitate someone with good communication skills. You're trying to get right deep down there and make his communication skills better. Ultimately he will then have no further need to hand flap.

"Also he has started to line up his Lego and sing "there were 10 in the bed and the little one said roll over" and push them off the table one by one.. don't know if this is pretend play or repetitive play."

We had exactly this song. It's music play - extended pattern recognition. I think he's clever! My kids have never done pretend play and ultimately it doesn't matter.

"Still won't pretend play unless prompted though he did pretend play at the private salt appointment."
Again, richer deeper communication is the aim, pretend play is more like a symptom of the progress (I think). And it's not ultimately necessary.

"She said she is worried about his eyesight (lazy eye, squints while reading snooping at pictures) also advised me to follow up audiologist"
Have a look at the book "Sensory Integration and the Child". All this physical stuff could be sensory integration (virtually all "tilted" people have some sensory integration issues because by definition we are unabalanced). It's symptom not cause. The more balanced he gets, the less he will need this stuff.

"At this point in so concerned I've booked him in for eye and ENT dr probably for beginning of NOV."
Great. I suggest that you enquire beforehand how they do tests for children with receptive language problems.

" I have also decided to start 25 hours of ABA therapy as I don't want to wait for his to take ages with diagnosis as he has problems communicating and is still very behind on language."
good on you! Diagnosis won't help his communication It's more something that helps a parent/school now (and a child later). Assuming it's correct and that the help actually exists, of course, but that's a different thread!

"Despite what private salt said (though I'm glad she did as it has now lit fire under my bum to move things along) me and nursery were impressed with his slow but steady progress and just put his odd behaviours down to severe speech and language delay."

The distinction between "severe speech and language delay" and "ASD" is of course real for some purposes, but for your purposes it's a distinction without a difference. One of my biggest regrets was my failure to look at visual learning stuff (all the great advice you've had on here) because I needed to tell myself that that was "just for autistic children". Stupid me, but that's what fear does.

"Soooo sorry for the long post, I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts or has been through something similar. I've been worried sick I'm sure I'll feel better once therapy gets started but right now it hurts to see him so far behind his peers."

I would go in hard on visual stuff. Others here have more expertise. I just plastered the house with photographs (doesn't work for all kids). Just the other week I was throwing out photos of bloody apples, balls, the school nursery, our car. It's great for sequential langauge "First apple, then tv".

"He's very affectionate and happy (though his frustration when he can't tell me what he wants is heartbreaking)"
I'm hoping that that toddler frustration may give him the motivation to make more use of language to meet his more sophisticated needs that he has now.

" has no preference for routine"
great that he isn't rigid.

"Loves his grandparents,"
:) I think they are really important.

"eats okay (won't eat veg)"
LOL!

"and sleeps well"
all of this is familiar. Means you've got a lot going for you.

"Still not potty trained though that is due to my laziness as I'm putting it off till Xmas holidays as I've got alot on woth newborn and uni"
Honestly I just wouldn't bother that is just not a problem. My neighbour is a consultant paediatrician and waited till 4.5 with one of her children. I think it would be a big distraction and another "red herring" milestone. Like teaching pointing.

go in hard on all this visual learning stuff that's been recommended is my advice.

hilbil21 · 11/10/2019 22:35

@lingle Your replies are amazing. I have a recently diagnosed 4.7 year old and so much of what you say is just so true! I know where to come if I need advice!

Sorry to post on your thread OP Smile

Mum2prince · 11/10/2019 23:56

@lingle can I start by saying u are an absolute star! Halo as cliche as it sounds I've yet to feel anyone understands me, but everything you have said sounds spot on.

Yes ds1 watched tv up until just before his 2nd birthday, and then we went cold turkey. But when other houses or other children came round I wouldn't say ds1 is not allowed I just reckoned an hour here or there wouldn't hurt. But it was after he turned 2 that there was a ban in my home, (no one watched it) if he went to families house they knew he wasn't allowed and I was much more firm. I did see improvement in his attention and he even found a love for books (brings them to me often will point at pictures for me to label for him) and when I'm busy will attempt to "read" on his own. Though this summer he did watch a fair bit of YouTube on plane and in airport. Also occasionally on long road trips in the car (we often went to neighbouring towns). But even then peppa pig was band and it was nursery rhymes and educational videos about colours , numbers etc. Some may argue their child learns from peppa pig ds1 did but only the songs other than that he didn't catch a word because of his lack of receptive language. He now has zero screen time, no ipad or phone (which he is a wiz at).

That brings me to the musicality you mentioned your ds had. It's hard to explain to others because ds1 sings "rain rain go away" when it's raining, sings peppa pig's "jumping up and down in muddy puddles" on the way to nursery whilst jumping in puddles, he sings "10 little monkeys jumping on the bed" whilst jumping on the bed and I could go on all day. He seems to know what songs mean and sings them at appropriate times. He will also randomly break into song for no reason also and will sing whilst playing with his toys.

As for him understanding bath I think he does understand do you want a bath? But thinks " let's go take a bath", has the same meaning. I know he knows because I don't really have a set routine for bath time as he loves to play in it, so whenever he's bored and I want some peace and quiet he gets one once a day. But if I said it in Tesco I don't know how he would respond lol, I have said "do you want a sweet?" In the shops and he is able to go to the sweet section and pick something. But his receptive language is not at the level of his peers but is progressing steadily. Also when he picks up something he rarely forgets that "command" e.g turn the light off, shut the door. That sort of thing.

With his play skills he does do alot of that music play, he will get his legos and also make them jump on the table whilst singing " little monkeys jumping on the bed " he also gets his grandma's candles that's she so beautifully displayed around her home and bring it to me and sing "happy birthday" (he's never been to a birthday party) and we go on holiday for his so he's not had a party I was quite shocked to see he even knew this concept (Peppa pig probably taught him) also his memory is super sharp, as he hadn't watched peppa in ages but has moments like these. His play does seem repetive lately he is only playing with his legos but will do various things with them, occasionally line them up but can be redirected. But if he is in an environment with new exciting toys he will have a go at everything.

I am aware of sensory intergration problems he may have as I think he is a sensory seeker. Constantly jumping singing "hop little bunnies hop hop hop" and jumping on the bed (which I don't discourage if he's being supervised because it's cold outside and he needs to get his energy out somehow) loves rough n tumble, monster games, hide n seek, when dh swings him around. So I can see he has some needs and try to let him let off steam and give him massages when he stays still enough.

With the looking at books though I do feel he may not be able to see clearly as he also furroughs (sp?) His brows and can see the look of concentration on his face. I trying to get that checked and hearing right away, with hearing it's exactly that when a child has receptive language delay it takes these tests to another level. Thanks for the heads up will call the clinic in advance to explain ds1 delay.

I wrote 25hours of ABA but meant 15 hours, even though im having trouble finding one that has a reasonable cost Sad, but I will keep looking. I only started looking into ABA therapy last week. And I also agree with you that ASD and language delay can present itself the same way so I would rather be proactive then dwell on lost time as the gap between him and his peers widens.

Ds1 has also just started repeating after us when we say "bubbles" he will say bubbles pop! And with a few other words too but only if he knows what that item is, if I say scooter for example (he hasn't got one) he probably won't say anything but may store it in his memory and surprise us down the line and say it if he sees it.

Concerning that he is not yet able to ask for what he Wants although he does know exactly what he wants in his head. Will take me to the cupboard his snacks are in, give me eye contact and gesture to be lifted up and point to the counter, once I stand him on it will open the cupboard and get what he wants. Will never just point at what he wants, he will find a way to get it himself, I often see him eating a banana and wonder how he reached the fruit bowl Confused. Obviously when i ask him I get no reply.

He pulls my hand quite often when he's bored/tired/hungry or sick which feels like always and it's making me frustrated also as I have a 4 month old ds2 that he loves will sing him "goodnight song" that he made up which consisted of babbling and jargon in a lullaby time with goodnight thrown in there. He will also kiss and hold him, but does get jealous when he wants me to play woth him and I'm feeding the baby. Other than that i tend to prioritise ds1 needs and put the baby down once fed, burped and changed.

Ds1 also will take me by the hand and close the living room door to initiate chasing game or playing with ball as the corridor is empty and spacious and we usually play there. The SLT excersises I do at home consist of adding commands or instructions to all our games, like when racing I say "waitttt" ready.. steady..go and then run and if he runs before that i tell him to go back and we start over. When we are out especially on the way to nursery I say let's "run! Run! Run!" "STOPPPP" and we stop, lots of stop and start games, anticipation games, and bubbles where he has to ask for more or say again. I do play role play games where I pretend to be a baby and he feeds me a bottle or comforts me he finds it hilarious. Also pretend I'm snoring and he has to wake me up, but I don't get up unless he says something.. could even be a noise.
Nursery says he's doing well, the senco there is lovely but she is never in his room as he is in the 2 year olds room and will be until next year. I find it frustrating when people (professionals and family) downplay ds1 problems when he was younger and now that he is nearing 3 years old expect him to wake up reciting Shakespeare Angry. Nursery are only trying now what I have been teaching him at home for months now and think he has "improved" but im pretty sure no one gave him the time of day as he would quite happily play on his own and not make a peep (being a speech and communication delayed child you would think they would make more of an effort) they do have a sensory room which I have heard them say they would take him too but they do not see he has any need for that as he is quite calm there (probably because there is so much to do).

He does say some things like "okay daddy" over and over again for no apparent reason, but his babbling is starting to sound more like real speech I think this is called jargon? I don't know if this is typical language development or some kind of echolalia. He also seems aloof and in his own world sometimes, I think this is due to him not understanding much and has tuned us out. He will tune back in as soon as u say something he can comprehend.

Responds to his name 90 percent of the time and when he doesn't I can see he is actively ignoring me when i change my tone he looks up straight away. He also has time out and will "sit down" when told to and cry. He understands tone of voice and even knows if you are joking with him.

The pead was definatly ticking boxes and the appointment was very quick and she didn't really take time to get to know how ds1 mind worked. I'm not saying he doesn't have red flags but she doesn't have a complete picture of what he is like also.

I don't know if this is relevant but he does also have a dairy intolerance (And he used to drink a litre of milk a day at times) just realised what a disaster that was. I've read somewhere that this could cause speech delay but not sure if this is true. I did notice that the fogginess he had has lessened since stopping milk and all dairy products and my mum suggested taking it one step further and going gluten free to see if that helps. It hasnt been going well so far he doesnt like the taste of gluten free subtitues to bread and pasta (dont blame him) but im going to keep on going. Even though he still had the occasional biscuit or sloce of toast i will be gking fully gluten free next week and notifying his nursery so i can bring appropriate snacks in for him. (I feel overwhelmed by all these changes)

Thank you so much lingle for the very detailed reply, I have tried my hardest to cover all the bases but if I haven't let me know what I have missed. Since worrying about ds I have read many old threads about your dc and a few other MN members @TotalChaos @Moondog and a few others. I found them so useful read them over and over until I plucked up the courage to join MN and message you about this post (i have anxiety).

How are your dc doing now? You mentioned earlier how well they are doing.. this makes me so genuinely happy for both them and youGrin. Can you let me know how you coped with them at my ds1 age (terrible 2s/3s) and other than the visual cues ( which will defo work for ds as he is a visual learner like myself). Did your dc get dx? Thanks again for the time and effort you put into helping other people. hugs

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Mum2prince · 12/10/2019 00:11

@hilbil21 that's the reason @lingle told me to post and start a thread, to help others. I would have just pm'd her because I didn't think anyone would want to hear me waffle on. But really we all need to find ways to understand and help our beautiful dc reach their potential. All children are different and develop at different rates and I find the milestone charts so useless!! That's how I came across MN and haven't looked back since x feel free to chime in woth your experiences dc.

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glamour24 · 12/10/2019 14:10

@lingle my heart just skipped a beat seeing that you are still here. I have made notes of the advice you have written, bought the books you’ve mentioned and searched your posts looking for help in the middle of the night. Most nights!

How is your DS2 ten years on? My DS is 3.9.

@Mum2prince my son sounds just like yours at close to 3.

Mum2prince · 12/10/2019 14:45

@glamour how is your son doing now? hugs

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glamour24 · 12/10/2019 15:51

@mum2prince, thank-you for asking, this whole topic is the reason I joined mn too!
Over the past six months or so, my DS has become very good at communicating to make his needs met, and it happened very quickly. Before, he would lead my hand to things he wanted too, or just make sound with enough desperation that I would guess. But his language isn't very fluent, and he doesn't really answer questions apart from 'do you want....' or 'where is....? (and the answer is right in front of you).

My DS is at a speech and language nursery (for children with speech as a primary need, so not as a result of ASD, LD, or hearing problems), we are very lucky, but half the children there do finish up with an ASD diagnosis, and a few leave having caught up. These are two quite stark outcomes and the pressure is immense; that by July, the 'verdict' will be out. Lingle is totally right, that for now, ASD and language delay are one and the same thing, and the therapies the same, but it's the worry of how they will cope of the delay, and problems of delay don't go away.

I have been literally crying all day as my DS was so atrociously behaved during a playdate; throwing himself on the floor and saying he wants to go. And here I am feeling like this must be ASD then. We had a party this afternoon too, but I haven't taken him as I'll be too embarrassed if he acts the same way. But of course, social activities is just what he needs. Instead he's been watching TV all day, I go through phases of turning it off too, but then, like for the start of term, the TV watching begins again... sorry this is so long!
Where have you found ABA? I am interested too but it's so difficult in the UK to get into it.

JessicaKenny2018 · 12/10/2019 16:00

I would agree with @lingle regarding a preschool rather than a nursery, my little boy was at a nursery I can only describe his time there as dreadful I was going to pick him up and he would be sitting on his own rocking, they knew he wanted to repetitively roll a ball so they basically left him on his own all day rolling a ball (I know this as my 4 year old dd was at same nursery), they then told me that they basically couldn't meet his needs and that he would never be mainstream anyway, I've never been so angry in my life, I have to say I do not mind if my little boy is mainstream or not but simply that he gets the very best for him.
He is now in a preschool and I cannot even put into words the difference, he has a one to one senco who he absolutely adores, they are doing structured learning with him, once a term a teacher comes in from the special needs school and gives suggestions on how to progress with his learning, he has made so much progress it's amazing.