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Barstards have requested to adjourn!

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2boysnamedR · 20/10/2014 20:36

Not even 48 hours away! I can't belive they are allowed to do this!!!

If they get it, they will regret it. I will get more indi reports done.

Gggrrrrrgghgjjjjhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

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fairgame · 20/10/2014 20:44

Oh no! Are you going to oppose the adjournment?

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2boysnamedR · 20/10/2014 20:46

If they adjourn how quickly do you think I get him seen by Margo and daphne?

If they muck me about I will make it work for me.

It's because he has only just read the bundle, he has only asked the school for a witness and they can't make it.

He's going to loose, he knows it

If he's taking me to the cleaners they why adjourn?

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2boysnamedR · 20/10/2014 20:47

I have already objected to all of his reasons. He says he's doing us a favour?! Really? You want to help? Statement my child then!!!

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fairgame · 20/10/2014 20:49

I don't know what the wait times are like for DK and MS but bjk might be along soon she will know.
They normally adjourn for about 4 weeks or so. Just make sure they give you a new date and they don't 'stay' it instead.
I don't think that him only just reading the bundle is a good enough excuse to adjourn. He should have got his witnesses sorted ages ago as well. It's shitty when you are only 2 days away.

Ineedmorepatience · 20/10/2014 21:20

Jeepers!! What are they like!!

bjkmummy · 20/10/2014 21:27

ms was quite quick - about a month from 1st contact to appointment - dk was slightly longer and I would try and speak to dk secretary tomorrow as I heard that dk is having an operation around now and will be off work for at least 6 weeks so that could possibly delay things for you.

oppose the adjournment - they tried to adjourn mine with 3 weeks to go and it was not allowed. they have already had extra time due to you having the baby - enough is enough and they are indeed just being idiots

bjkmummy · 20/10/2014 21:32

I don't think his reasons are valid at all - they have had the paperwork as long as you have had it - and as for the witness problem - not your issue - also check back to when they did the paperwork where they say if anything had changed - check if they ticked the box that they would be happy for the case to be heard on the papers - if he has then he will just have to do that. my LA tried as senco refused to come but I just said no I wouldn't agree it and that she could given her evidence in writing or by telephone plus they had ticked that box so it was tough - tribunal agreed with me. the panel will now have read all of the paperwork so theres nothing the tribunal service can do- he will have to apply on the morning and as we all know - its less than 5 days notice. absolutely no excuse at all that he hasn't read the bundle - that is absolutely an insulting reason to use

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2boysnamedR · 20/10/2014 21:58

He's also said he expects the case to go for days. This isn't a murder trail! There are facts and figures so either he's above the bar or below it surely? If he's speech is at 1% then it's either bad enough or not.

They have salt witness I have never heard of. She's never seen my son as far as I know

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ouryve · 20/10/2014 22:02

Hopefully they'll be told tough titty. LA knew what the deadlines were. They've had months to organise.

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2boysnamedR · 20/10/2014 22:05

If they refuse my evidence and it's upheld all the better for me as they submitted none at all.

Utter insult. I hope it blows up in his face letsthrowsomeshitupintheairandseewhereitfalls. Hopefully on his face!

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Icimoi · 20/10/2014 22:10

Who is this idiot? He can't have any experience of tribunals, otherwise he'd know that the chances of a refusal to statement hearing going beyond one day, let alone into several days, are virtually nil.

My guess is that the tribunal will tell him to get lost, but make sure you oppose the adjournment request strongly, pointing out that your dc is being prejudiced every day they fail to issue a statement and provide for his needs. Mark your email urgent and ask them to make sure it gets read with the adjournment request.

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2boysnamedR · 20/10/2014 22:14

I replied as a cc to his urgent email.

He's a tribunal Clark with a law degree

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uggerthebugger · 20/10/2014 22:32

Fuck knows whether they'll agree to this or not - SENDIST can be amazingly tolerant of LA administrative slackness - but all you can do is challenge it, for the reasons given above.

These clowns have had all the time in the world to get their shit organised. They simply had to do something that they've collectively done hundreds of times before, and have doubtless done dozens of times already this year: read and assemble the evidence, prepare a line of defence, and arrange witnesses for a hearing. For them, this should be a semi-automated, fire-and-forget business process. The fact that in this case, it obviously hasn't been, should not be your problem.

For us, this is do-or-die for our DCs. Every part of this process feels like you're a single shot away from disaster. We put ourselves under extreme pressure to underwrite their futures. From what you've written here, I think that this guy knows his case is shakier than the San Andreas fault - but for all the piss and vinegar this fool is flinging about right now, this case will be no more than shredder fodder to him within a few weeks. If you can, don't let him rattle you!

MeirAiaNeoAlibi · 20/10/2014 22:43

Smoke and mirrors. Object then sit tight. Judges may be far too tolerant of LAs, but are unlikely to approve of Tribunal being disrespected.

Or outclass his barely-passed, low-quality, costly-but-useless, second-class university qualification. Buy your own fake law degree off the internet & put it up in the loo- make yours a masters though....

MeirAiaNeoAlibi · 20/10/2014 22:47

A proper civil service Tribunal clerk has to have 5 GCSEs, good admin skills and be of good character. That's him out then.

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2boysnamedR · 20/10/2014 22:50

Lol ugger you made me laugh!

It's hard as I go between thinking I don't have a chance to he's going to concede still.

Going to try to hope this goes in my favour.

Going to find my masters now - in butt kicking :0)

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bjkmummy · 20/10/2014 23:33

could also just be a last desperate attempt to get you to agree an adjournment hence the angle he's doing you a favour. maybe when he realises you have no intention of giving up he will concede as you are only asking for a statement and he can still be an arse by then issuing a dire one and forcing you to appeal again anyway so it just seems so much effort when they could just concede it

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2boysnamedR · 21/10/2014 01:45

I think that's where we are headed bjk. But if go through this for another tribunal I will go all out to get him out of ms. If I have to do this yet again I would see if he's bad enough to get into a slt place. I can't go on good faith

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KOKOagainandagain · 21/10/2014 10:12

Have you phoned Sendist themselves? I found them very helpful. They should be able to tell you when the request to adjourn will be ruled on. If there are any reasons why you oppose adjournment (unreasonable delay in accessing support, already made arrangements etc) you can ask for them to be included and follow up with an email. I would phone the IPSEA tribunal helpline as well. They can give practical advice on legal stuff and help calm your nerves.

DH has inside knowledge of the finances of the courts service. It is too late to use allocated resource for any other case and therefore is pure loss or inefficient use of public funding.

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2boysnamedR · 21/10/2014 12:52

For the love of god. What a circus this is. "How was I to know the tribunal might have been in the pm?"

Your brain, use your brain you gormless dick.

I very much he has a degree - unless it's in bullshit

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Icimoi · 21/10/2014 12:57

When did he say that, 2boys?

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2boysnamedR · 21/10/2014 13:22

In a email this morning!! My blood is boiling!!!

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2boysnamedR · 21/10/2014 13:23

I have said I don't want to be penalised due to his poor administration skills.

Bitchy - but valid

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tempe48 · 21/10/2014 13:35

No, its an excuse. My LA used to only give one date in a fortnight that their professionals could make, knowing that it was unlikely it would coincide with the dates the parents' professionals could make. They used to do this three times in a row, until the Tribunal fixed a date - but obviously it wasted weeks in correspondence, thereby saving the LA from paying for the eventual provision for the same number of weeks.

LAs go on "training courses" on Tribunals, where obviously they learn from each other.

bjkmummy · 21/10/2014 14:01

I think they do all go on courses and swop tactics and learn from each other -completely wrong but sure it does go on.

the paperwork you are sent tell you could be am or pm - even if it was am were his witnesses going to turn into pumpkins when it his 12 oclock? did he not think it could possibly go on into the afternoon even if a morning lisitng? he would also 2 weeks ago been given the time then so its a pathetic excuse - if he does by a miracle get an adjournment I would be wanting costs for my witnesses attending.

he is just trying it on but is also doing a good game of unsettling you the day before the hearing.

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