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How do I teach her anything?

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salondon · 04/08/2014 21:48

I am at the end of my tether. 5 yr old. Severe asd. Non verbal. And I just don't know what to teach her academically. She just doesn't get it. She can't recognise alphabets, can't count, can't trace...

I just don't know if it's low IQ or she just isn't ready. She can match. So when I put two dots in front of her why can't she put two beads on it and stop. She keeps adding more to it. I thought that will help her understand the concept of counting. But nah! Her dumbness beats me. I have tried reinforcing it. In a have tried making it a short activity. Pairing with songs.

How on earth do these 'low functioning' kids ever learn any basic maths and reading?

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WaveorCheer · 04/08/2014 21:52

Hi salondon. I don't have anything helpful to say I'm afraid, but I'm so sorry you're having such a tough time. :(

Does she have an iPad?

Bilberry · 04/08/2014 22:22

'Basic' maths concepts (eg. The two-ness of two) and associating sounds with symbols is actually quite complex. Taking these concepts further requires sufficient language and processing skills. She may always struggle but she is may well get these ideas and move forward. It is much too early to give up yet! It may also be the activity rather than the concept she has trouble with. Is she/will she be getting specialist teaching at school? Does she have Salt support?

autumnsmum · 04/08/2014 22:49

Hi just to say sorry things are so hard at the minute , I know you are doing Aba but does your local special school
Do outreach my dd s one does

StarlightMcKenzie · 05/08/2014 07:20

Can she choose?

If so you need to pull it back and get her to choose something she likes from a bowl containing one, and a bowl containing 2. If that is too hard then increase the differential (I.e a bowl containing many).

When you get to a choice between 1 and 2 items, get her to 'label' or 'Mand' for 2.

When that is grasped work on choosing from 2 and 3. And repeat.

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autumnsmum · 05/08/2014 08:59

I wonder if it would be best to
Put academic skills on the back burner for a while and concentrate on issues like joint attention ? Also I know beads would be a problem with my dd as she would want to line them up

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Ineedmorepatience · 05/08/2014 09:44

I agree with whoever said that the twoness of two is a hard concept.

I would concentrate on matching and sorting, can she sort by colour?? She doesnt need to know her colours but see if she can put red counters in a red bowl and another colour in another bowl.

May be you could do big and small to when you have cracked that.

The placing of the correct number of objects is quite an advanced skill.

Good luck Smile

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salondon · 05/08/2014 10:13

SickOf:

Here are some things I tried which worked though maths is still tricky :

Jolly Phonics DVD (the "saying the letter sounds" extra bit at end, with pause button and Choc rewards)

Baby Bumblebee DVDs - all of them, had to make him sit and watch at first, but now he adores them, they calm him too (like old friends)

I pad - absolute winner . Loads of apps

But the imitation skills are key before academics - is she ok on that?

Also good ABA tip on counting out items, say "2 STOP" so she knows to stop at 2, only fade the "stop" when she she gets the point that counting doesn't always just carry on up to 10

I have to be honest and say that the key to (basic) academics with my boy (low IQ on top of the autism) was sheer, dogged repetition over weeks/months/years - using ABA reinforcement and task break down. Exhausting - but I absolutely refused to give up.

I am not sure where she is at on the I pad, but for some reason the simple app "Fire fingers" is what got my boy learning how to navigate round an I pad, and then we just started buying loads of simple apps and he knew how to do it. One mumsnetter in here then turned me on to the great apps like the ice cream making one - I will find a link

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salondon · 05/08/2014 11:13

Thanks for your responses. Lack of patience is my weakest point and I am getting tested on this one. Honestly, some days I admit, I cannot believe that a child of such low IQ was born in our family Blush

WaveorCheer , zzzzz, sickof - Yes she has an iPad and she can use her finger to drag pictures, start apps etc. She knows which icon is what app, can do matching, sorting on the ipad.

However, this is where my frustration stems from. She can match red to red. Can match a red bear and a red monkey. Can sort by colour.. but, when you say red - she doesnt get it. I think I am skipping a few steps here. We are still at nouns levels. I suppose verbs and adjectives need to wait.

BUT, she can match shapes on ipad and 2D flash cards, but cannot match a triangle carboard to a triangle carboard... why why why.. aargh, its driving me nuts. I am sure I am missing a few steps here and Sean (our aba consultant) will be able to come up with some ideas.

Bilberry - you hit the nail on the head. She doesnt understand the "twoness of two". Do 'these' kids ever get it? How will she ever learn to add and do any math if she doesnt understand this concept?
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star - She can choose. I however doubt she can choose between one ball vs two balls.. I think she will want all 3 balls.. because balls are reinfoircing and the more the merrier. Confused

autumnsmum - Her joint attention has improved in the last year and so have her imitation skills.

This whole thing where everything has to be taught through Discreet errorless teaching trials is very frustrating. My head is spinning just wondering what to do from here on. I wish I could infuse some IQ into her

I was hoping to get her to put one thing on one dot and the second on second dot and then make her understand that this is "two". not so much language wise, more conceptually. But she keeps putting more 'things' on the flash card even when the dots are hidden(under the two things she already put on the card). I am not making any sense anymore, am I? Grin

SickOf - Songs are major stim material and she just zones out. She can say "ah", she can match an a to an a. You show her a and say 'ah', she will copy you, but you show her 'a' and expect her to say 'ah' she just doesnt do it.... DO it once sweetie, I will sing dance and heavily reinfornce you.. but do it once....:(

This is worse that toilet training.. With pee and poop you know it will come out at some stage.. the right response just doesnt come out..

SickOf - your idea of 'stop' is what we need to do I think. Errorless teaching. shaping the right response and then fading out the prompt.. Why did I not think of this?

zzzzz - Will look at the syllabus. thanks!
Don't assume she isn't learning just because she isn't demonstrating (bitter experience) - Golden words. However, I am honestly not one of those mums who are so much in sync with their child they know exactly what is going on inside them. How do I check if she is getting a concept or not. Unless she can demonstrate some understanding how do I go to the next level.. KWIM? Since you say you have experience of this, how did you deal with it?

absorbent minds stuff is pretty expensive. We did use some of it initially for shape sorting etc. Now I try and make or buy second hand on ebay

Ineedmorepatience - I was told 1 and 2 is easier than big and small... Will try big and small now... I thought putting two objects on top of two dots would be natural progression from matching. She can sort and match.

Trip to the pound store due

Thanks for indulging this impatient mum

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salondon · 05/08/2014 11:17

zzzzz - That was sickof's repsonse on my duplicate thread

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autumnsmum · 05/08/2014 11:18

Your not impatient , you sound far more paitient than me

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sickofsocalledexperts · 05/08/2014 13:00

Yes zzzzz, my boy was reading before talking and it helped the talking

salondon · 05/08/2014 14:19

I sound like I am bad mouthing my daughter. Blush

Let me read the ideas, try and implement them and will report back

by the way, mine doesnt seem like she is reading anything.

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autumnsmum · 05/08/2014 14:26

Salondon your not bad mouthing your daughter at all , you are feeling frustrated and have asked for help , that makes you a brilliant parent , your dd has severe , non verbal autism , that is very hard to deal with , don't be hard on yourself

Ineedmorepatience · 05/08/2014 16:19

salandon the key to big and small is to make sure there are no other variables so if you are using balls say they must be as similar as possible with only the size being different.

If there are more variables she probably wont get it.

We use toy animals quite alot where I work because they are easy to find similar ones.

I can understand your frustration, I have been working with a little one for 2 years who really didnt seem to be taking anything in and then suddenly something clicked and she actually started to show us that she did know lots of things.

Keep going Smile

Oh and remember to use anything that she is interested in to help maintain her focus.

Good luck Smile

jackiee · 05/08/2014 17:03

Hi my ds is nearly 4 and also severe asd he is so in his own world it is very hard to get his attention but he has gave me a few surprises! The wooden number puzzles hes great and putting the correct numbers in one day I asked him to show me number 3 he did it now he can do up to 10 .
I haven't even thought of reading, ,writing or counting yet I don't even know where to start

Oh yes forgot to say he has just learned to point not very good at it but he can do it but I think he must be able to learn something but just in a different and sloweway!

jackiee · 05/08/2014 17:03

Hi my ds is nearly 4 and also severe asd he is so in his own world it is very hard to get his attention but he has gave me a few surprises! The wooden number puzzles hes great and putting the correct numbers in one day I asked him to show me number 3 he did it now he can do up to 10 .
I haven't even thought of reading, ,writing or counting yet I don't even know where to start

Oh yes forgot to say he has just learned to point not very good at it but he can do it but I think he must be able to learn something but just in a different and sloweway!

jackiee · 05/08/2014 17:04

Slower way !!!