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I want to help DS and I don't know how

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Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 22:27

I always knew my beloved DS was wired differently than his siblings. I worried a lot about his lack of eye contact, even as a breastfeed baby he wouldn't look at me. But I pushed my worries aside and told myself he was fine.

He hates school and recently had a massive melt down on the way to school, I spoke to a teacher (senco ?) about my concerns all 4 x A4 papers worth. I said I understood many/all of my concerns can be seen in NT children, but is it normal to have all these concerns in one child.

After listening to all the concerns, she told me though she couldn't give a dx, it was clear our son is on the austic spectrum but so mild he won't get a dx.

This has me very conflicted. Relieved that his behaviour is not due to my bad parenting, sad as I want his life to be easy, cross as without a dx he'll continue to be labelled negatively by other teachers, children and parents.

She said potentially she could refer him to get help to make friends. He has no friends but doesn't seem to notice or care. As DH said I care more than he does.

This evening I picked him up from a school party, he was crying, melting down, really upset, as he hadn't won anything. Despite being nearly 6yo his melt downs are similar to a 3yo. Teacher with him, seemed cross with him. :(

He loses dinner time and frequent times out, for behaviour out of his control, like fidgeting in class and not playing playground games properly.

How do I help DS cope better with school ?

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Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 22:30

His form teacher is a lovely lady and she is working hard to reward positive behaviour and she is trying not to send him out if possible.

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 03/04/2014 22:32

'After listening to all the concerns, she told me though she couldn't give a dx, it was clear our son is on the austic spectrum but so mild he won't get a dx.'

That's a stupid thing to say and she is not qualified. Go to the GP and request a referral to a developmental paediatrician.

Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 22:38

But if he is that mild, that the school can't see any problems, won't I just be wasting everyones time ?

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 03/04/2014 22:50

My Ds is moderate-severe and the school didn't see any problems.

Don't worry about that though as ASD is complex and labels of mild/moderate/severe are both impossible to measure accurately and change all the time.

The point is, your child needs help. I and many on here can assure you that very few teachers can identify and understand ASD behaviour or how it is a barrier to well being and education. At all stages you'll have to advocate hard, but it starts with a clear idea in the first place of the child's strengths and weaknesses.

Take a list to the GP and ask for a referral. You'll be screened first by a community paediatrician who will do a basic overall check and they will decide whether there is any merit in an ASD screening or indeed any other screening.

Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 22:59

The senco lady is properly trained, she said my son sounded like hers. She referred to other children in the school who have definite special needs. Whereas she couldn't see any issues in my son's behaviour.

She was surprised to hear that I had him on reins till 6 months ago, as he bolts. When he melts down I often put him in the pram and make the toddler walk home.

But he only displays 'normal naughty boy' behaviour at school.

Maybe I am worrying too much, looking into this too much, maybe I should just wait anc see what happens over the next weeks ?

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Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:01

The school has a good reputation for helping children and dx children.

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 03/04/2014 23:04

Babies, please don't wait. It is a scary time but you'll regret it if you don't follow this up now.

I don't care HOW properly trained the SENCO is there is no way on earth they are qualified to have made the statement they did and for me that would be a massive red flag to his/her competence overall.

Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:09

I can't go to the doctors, my DH doesn't want DS labelled. :(

I am both scared that he might need a label or that my pushing for one for an NT child, that DH and the school think is pointless, woukd be counterproductive, cause mire problems.

I just want DS to be accepted as he is.

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 03/04/2014 23:10

Btw, you know me as StarlightMcKenzie if you remember me. I don't know much about a lot of things but some things I really am on top of, and this is one of them.

Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:13

Everyone who I have ever spoken too about my son, tells me I was worrying for nothing and that boys/toddlers/their kid also does 'thing I was worried about'

I am told all the time I am wrong and over worrying

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Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:15

I do remember you Starlight :) Nice to see you again.

(I'm not good at keeping up to date on name changing)

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 03/04/2014 23:17

The way some of us here see a diagnosis, is not as a 'label' (they are for parcels and it is clear where they are going) but as a signpost showing the rough direction. It isn't a prognosis.

Further, the 'signpost' is owned by the child (their parents to begin with) and never has to be disclosed. However, it is useful to be able to hold it up occasionally if someone seems a little at a lost when dealing with the child.

Finally, owning a signpost means that you can use it to bat away anyone attempting to stick a label onto you, thus avoiding such labels as 'naughty', 'defiant', 'incapable', 'unmotivated', and where you have held your sign up, it gives you protection in law and rights.

Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:22

My DH thinks a label will make things worse for DS.

Surely even if DH and I agreed to look further into this, it would be shot down by the school.

I am hoping once it becomes know wuthin the school that the senco is helping DS, wuth the friend thing. Maybe the other staff will give him more of a break iyswim.

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Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:24

I do see what you mean about signpost, but that won't be possible as DS is too mild to get one, even if I applied.

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zzzzz · 03/04/2014 23:27

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Kleinzeit · 03/04/2014 23:28

Children with ASCs vary enormously and your DS may turn out to be very different from her son, or from any other child with an ASC that she’s seen before, even if they seem similar on the surface. After all, she was surprised that you had to keep him on reins, so what does she know? I do not know if your DS will get a diagnosis or not, but the SENCO is not qualified either to say he is definitely on the autism spectrum or to say that he will not get a diagnosis. She really can’t know that!

By all means ask the SENCO to refer your DS so he can get help with making friends – that will be probably help him whether he gets a diagnosis or not, and his reactions in the group may also help to clarify what kinds of issues he has and whether he has an ASC or not.

But also, do ask your GP for a referral for proper assessment and diagnosis. There are likely to be long waiting lists, especially if your DS is not having big trouble at school, but don’t be fobbed off. The thing is, your DS may be just about coping in school now, but he is already struggling to behave, he didn't cope with the party and as he gets older school could get harder for him. If he has an ASC or some similar condition then a diagnosis is a step to getting him the support he will need.

This is a tough situation but you sound like a very caring mum, your DS is lucky to have you fighting his corner Flowers

Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:30

Thank you for your posts, I have just been thinking about this constantly and just goingaround and around in circles.

TBH I expected the senco to tell me I was talking rubbish too, it really surprised me when she said what I was trying hard to not think.

Sigh, anyway. I need to try and get some sleep. Lets hope tomorrow is good morning school run wise.

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zzzzz · 03/04/2014 23:31

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Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:34

X posted with last two posts.

Maybe if I posted my list of concerns on here tomorrow, would you guys be able to giveme a clue as to if I should be concerned or not ?

I just feel so low and confused about this situation. Not about my DS, he is ace and has so many lovley qualities, just about him coping at school.

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blueeyedmonster · 03/04/2014 23:36

babies school apparently see nothing with DS. Have in the past reeled lines off like "all boys are x y z" "he's 5" "have you tried reward charts?" and the best one "its a home problem"
After a year and a half of this I got him a DX and they were all very surprised. A DX won't be given if the criteria isn't met. Just because school aren't having a problem with him doesn't mean that there isn't one. Trust yourself.

Babieseverywhere · 03/04/2014 23:38

She said all if those things too. He is a boy, only 5 yo, use reward charts.

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 03/04/2014 23:46

Yes, post tomorrow after a good night's sleep. I wonder if you came here to address your ongoing niggles and were hoping we'd agree with the SENCO?

I'm sorry that we couldn't and I mean that sincerely.

RaRaTheNoisyLion · 03/04/2014 23:49

'I do see what you mean about signpost, but that won't be possible as DS is too mild to get one, even if I applied.'

I just wondered. Are you confusing diagnosis with a statement?

You won't be the first to have done if so.

PolterGoose · 04/04/2014 06:57

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moosemama · 04/04/2014 10:21

Hi Babies

(Just previewed this and it's a massive post, but I wanted to share our experiences with you, in the hope it might help either you, your dh our both of you to decide on your next step.)

I was in a similar position to you. One teacher, head of KS1, agreed that my ds was quirky and probably on the ASD spectrum, but said he'd never get a diagnosis - no-one else would listen. Dh was very anti 'labelling' and I felt powerless to help my ds, but it was me that spent the majority of my time with him, me that picked him up from school and dealt with the aftermath and me that had to practically carry him through the infants.

In our case my ds had a breakdown when he entered the juniors, despite it effectively just being a new class in the same school for him. His anxiety levels rocketed, he developed digestive issues, migraines, reflux and tics. School still claimed not to see a problem, despite him disengaging from lessons completely and spending all day every day reading in the corner of a classroom.

At that point dh started to listen a little more, but was still very anti 'labelliing'. That was when I joined MNSN and the lovely people there helped talk me through the whole label/signpost thing. I bought a few books they recommended off Amazon:

The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome, by Tony Attwood

Parenting a child with Asperger's

Appreciating Asperger's Syndrome Looking at the Upside, with 300 Positive Points

I read them, talked to dh and encouraged him to read them.

Diagnosis or not, the strategies used to support chlidren who have ASD work on all children, so I figured I had nothing to lose by trying some. Dh started to see the difference in ds when we handled him differently, he witnessed his anxiety and physical symptoms reduce when we handled him a certain way - and when he was pulled out of school for a couple of weeks, as a result of being physically ill from the anxiety.

I also got dh to browse MNSN and read not only what had been posted in relation to my own questions, but what other parents were going through.

He then agreed to go and have a discussion with our GP and see what she thought.

Situation at school also meant that I ended up phoning the Ed Psych crisis line for our Local Authority and they sent out an EP to observe ds at school.

Following a GP appointment with just dh and I present, we took ds to see her - and in our case we were lucky as the GP also has a child with ASD - and she was confident that referral to a paediatrician for assessment was the right course of action.

We saw a paed with him, who then referred onto the multi-disciplinary ASD assessment team and it was that team that ultimately diagnosed ds.

I am telling you all this because everyone told me that if my ds was on the spectrum he was so mild he wouldn't get a diagnosis - yet when the right professionals met and assessed him there was absolutely no question about whether or not he had Asperger's.

It might help to tell your dh that at the point of diagnosis we were asked whether or not we wanted a formal diagnosis to go on record. Also, as others have said, ds's diagnosis is his. He gets to choose who does and doesn't get told and until he was old enough to start wanting to share it himself we kept it strictly between us and the medical and educational professionals who were involved with him, plus one or two close family members.

I should also add that once diagnosed the school SENCO and Head, told us that he categorically wouldn't get a statement, as he was far too mild and it simply wouldn't happen - especially in our LA area. We ignored them, applied ourselves and ... they were wrong again - he got a high-needs statement, on our first application.

My ds is now 11 (12 next week actually). He wasn't diagnosed until he was 8 (almost 9) but having a diagnosis has made a massive difference to the way he has been handled at school, even prior to the statement being issued. He has been placed in an out of county independent secondary school by our Local Authority, without us having to argue or go through an appeal to get him in and they don't do that for children that don't have genuine need. Everyone who said he either didn't have ASD or was far too mild to get/need a diagnosis or support was very wrong and it's worth bearing in mind that most of the people who make statements like that are simply not qualified to make that judgement. Only a clinical psychologist can diagnose ASD, anyone else is just giving your their personal, usually uneducate, opinion - even (especially in most many cases) the SENCO.

They don't diagnose children who don't have ASD with having it and if, at the end of the assessment process your ds did meet the criteria for diagnosis it would be because he has ASD and the diagnosis is an explanation/signpost, not a label, for that reason.

Try reminding your dh that we all have many labels, I, for example, am a Mum, Wife, Daughter, Sister, Grandaughter, Aunt. I am a brunette, I am British, I am working class etc. None of those labels define me and a diagnosis, if you think of it as a label, won't define your ds. It will just help those that need to work with, help and support him, understand his needs. Every single person who has ASD is an individual, with different needs, likes, dislikes, abilities, struggles etc, just like everyone else.

My ds is a Son, Brother, Cousin, Grandson, Best Friend. He is blond, he is short, he is a secondary school pupil, he's a member of the UK Pokemon League, a gamer, a joker and so very much more. He has ASD, but he is not ASD, iyswim. Most people that meet him will never know about his diagnosis, they don't need to and he will tell them if he wants to. You don't even have to disclose it on job applications if you don't want to, but if you choose to it can afford you the protection of anti disablism laws.

I have been where you are now and I feel for you, it's a dreadful feeling as a mother and also a very lonely place when not even your dh/partner is in agreement with you.

Not sure if any of what I've said is helpful to you, but I wanted to share my experience with you and let you know that from that same starting point we have come such a long way and things have worked out for ds. We still have our struggles, but dh and I have never regretted going for a diagnosis and then applying for a statement ourselves - and that is despite dh being extremely 'anti' in the beginning.

Flowers