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inappropriatelyemployed · 02/08/2013 11:08

Have you seen this

Have you ever seen anything quite so ridiculous? How many children and young people know about EHCPs? How many SENCOs do? Out governing body had never heard about it.

How misleading to ask for this from vulnerable youngsters without any objective guidance about what they are being asked to write on.

Another pot of government money?

They have blocked me from replying - again. Anyone want to retweet or reply to them?

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inappropriatelyemployed · 02/08/2013 21:00

Grin its the lack of effort to make this accessible to that age group that really annoys me. What 11 year old is going to follow that?

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Nerfmother · 02/08/2013 21:39

Ha! That is the very point I made a while ago. Levels of articulacy amongst 11 year olds with sen are not going to be consistent and able to understand that brief. Where's the explanation / further details you lot have found? How could you draw a picture showing your questions about sen reforms anyway? Symbols? And how many know about the reforms and their implications?

fightingthecarrots · 02/08/2013 21:44

here

Nerfmother · 02/08/2013 21:50

Thanks. I seem to be missing something here. (Have consumed wine, and one eye on Sherlock). They want children with sen to read the attachments and come up with a picture asking questions about the reforms? Or their parents so they can explain them?

ouryve · 02/08/2013 21:52

Damn, The boys are too young to enter.

Gutted.

LuvMyBoyz · 02/08/2013 22:00

What a load of bullocks. I have to BUY up to date information anout EHCPs to find out where the Hell we are with it and there is nothing conclusive from any pathfinder or govt outlet that I can see. What a joke!

inappropriatelyemployed · 02/08/2013 22:24

These questions presuppose a level of knowledge and articulacy which seriously compromises the ability children and YPs ability to really share their voice.

They are like questions written by a sixth former or a graduate intern who has never met a child let alone one with disabilities/SEN.

"Will I have to manage my own budget?" WTF! How many adults in the education sector would ask that, let alone kids? How many could answer it?

Complete nonsense.

I am not dumbing down here by saying kids won't understand. Adults who aren't religiously following the reforms wouldn't either.

If you want to give kids a voice, you have got to EMPOWER them. You do that by giving them real, objective information in different forms - a video, a cartoon, an easy introduction.

You have got explain what a bill is, what parliament is, what the word reform means, what happens alread with SEN, what the government plan to change, why their views are important. The presentation of this confirms that EHCPs are a done deal so what is the point of any child inputting.

The whole project presupposes that children's views on EHCPs are important. I don't think they are. Or put another way, I don't think EHCPs are important to children.

Respect and good quality inclusion, provision and growing up feeling like you are not a peice of shit are much more important.

That is why I think children's views on their own experiences are absolutely crucial and reform should start with that not ask them in this underhand way to comment on a junior minister's stitched up reform package as a fait accompli with a series of leading questions. All so the Minister can say he has 'consulted' with the yoof and get lots of tea and cake photos with 'disabled kiddies'.

Stop patronising kids. Let them speak for themselves about what they want and what is happening to them and listen to their views.

Perhaps that is what we should get our kids to do. Irrespective of the EHCP mission behind the project - share your views of how you are treated in life and school.

That is what this cost cutting Government should be hearing.

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inappropriatelyemployed · 02/08/2013 22:44

Exactly.

I think it is worth taking kids' views on how life is for them. From that, you can build reforms which have a chance of making a real difference.

But who wants to hear that.

Our children should be asked about their experiences of school and the treatmenr they get and listened to just as we listen to adults.

But they should not be asked to comment on the intracicies of Gov policy.

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inappropriatelyemployed · 02/08/2013 22:45

And they should have started taking those views two years ago.

Where is the page asking for parents views of EHCPs?

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TOWIELA · 02/08/2013 22:48

It's pathetic isn't it! My son's major concern at the moment is how much charge he has on his iPad and will it last long enough to play another session of Minecraft! Government policy has no bearing on him in any shape or form. But then as he's under 11, his views don't count at all anyway - primary school children's views don't count according to the Council for Disabled Children!

inappropriatelyemployed · 02/08/2013 22:57

Or presumably the views of children with learning disability or communication disorders or those whose mummies and daddies don't know the details of the reform themselves.

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TOWIELA · 02/08/2013 23:09

Parents views about their disabled children count for jack shit anyway - even if we did know the details of the reforms!

inappropriatelyemployed · 02/08/2013 23:18

Unless those views thoroughly support the reforms. They might be worth listening to then!

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NoHaudinMaWheest · 03/08/2013 22:04

I have looked at this and thought about it and talked to my DCs.
Quite apart from the issue of the dearth of real information about the reforms for anyone, this whole competition is really badly thought out.

The competition set up and the presentation about the reforms seem to be aimed at younger children but the lower age limit is 11. The presentation is too vague for an older young person to be able to understand the issues even if they are not put off by the childish style.

Those whom this most concerns - over 18s who don't have learning disabilities and who will need to manage some of this stuff for themselves as adults - will certainly be put off by the'lets make this fun and simple' approach.

Those young people most likely to come up with the most searching questions are also excluded because the new plans don't apply to young people in university education.

For what it is worth the questions my DCs would ask are:

DD (13, mild dyslexia and mobility problems, on SA+)
How did you get this job?
Do you have any personal experience of disablitiy or SEN?

DS (nearly 17, AS, OCD, moderate dyslexia, statement)
Why is university education excluded? It makes no sense at all.

DS friend (nearly 16, CP, very keen on politics and debating, member of the Youth Parliament) is one person I know who I think would make an excellent and penetrating questioning presentation.
However I expect it would be judged too challenging boring.

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