'This Is My Child': come vote for the logo please

[RowanMumsnet]

Hello

Hopefully lots of you will be aware that we're gestating a campaign called 'This Is My Child' (you can see the background here.)

We've had two logos drawn up - and want you to tell us which you prefer.

Hearts or child? Post on the thread to let us know.

[RowanMumsnet]

We absolutely understand if people don't want to send in photos because their children wouldn't like them to - that's really completely fine (and sorry if it feels like we're putting pressure on; we've got quite a few already but we're going to rotate them so we're just aiming to get a few more).

They won't be linked to your user name/RL name/any identifiable details at all (other than the caption you write).

[RippingYarns]

@ Cervix's DD

send that one in, the tights can get a special MN mention

[AmberLeaf]

Mumsnet logo is very charlies angels isnt it?!

[tabulahrasa]

'It reminds me of the pringles man.'

Yes, that's what it is, I knew it looked like something, lol.

'We absolutely understand if people don't want to send in photos because their children wouldn't like them to - that's really completely fine'

I just wanted to say why I wasn't, because I really do think it's a good idea and if it was up to me I would send his picture in...I mean I'd have to get a recent one where we're not arguing about why I need a picture when he's right there and I could just look at him but other than that I'd be up for it, lol

[popgoestheweezel]

Definitely, definitely the child. I like the speech bubble too, the campaign is all about talking about disability.

[AmberLeaf]

Good point popgoestheweezel.

I think the face is too comical.

[hazeyjane]

Hmm, I am going to be a pain in the arse and say i don't really like either - i like the idea of the child one better than the hearts, but don't really like the image (I thought pringles man too, Amberleaf) - but i am a right old fusspot.

Can I also just say, that wrt the 'which one is disabled' thing, that a lot of children with disabilities do look disabled,or different, -some have craniofacial syndromes, or obvious dysmorphic feature, or use wheelchairs and other aids. I don't know if there should be a focus on that as an idea, because it rather excludes the many children with special needs who do have a disability which sets them apart as 'different'

[CwtchesAndCuddles]

I much prefer the idea of the child one but don't actually like the one you have - pringles man / silly face doesn't work for me.

[BeeMom]

I like the child one - just because the heart one is just too much "Welcome to Holland, Pollyanna" for me.

[Awomansworth]

Then I'm a pain too hazey I don't really like either too, but if I had to choose it would be the one with the child.

[AmberLeaf]

MNHQ you should no by now there's no pleasing 'us lot'

Good point Hazey, I think the good thing about the hearts is that it doesn't signify any physicality so the issue of hidden/visible disabilities is not focused on, or made a point of either way, if that makes sense?

[BeeMom]

But... why is the pringles child saying "this is my child"?

Is this suddenly about precocious pregnancy?

I agree with hazey, to play "spot the disability" ostracises those who wear their disabilities on their sleeves. Facial differences, dysmorphic features, mobility devices etc all set children with disabilities up as the subject of stares from a very young age - mentioning that not all disabilities are visible is one thing, but I think it might be exclusionary to imply that all are.

Would you put a bunch of children whose disabilities make them look different in a group with one typical child and play "spot the norm"?

[Bluebirdonmyshoulder]

I agree with Amberleaf re the child looking like Pringles man and completely agree with hazey and BeeMom re disabilities which are visibly apparent.

I don't like the heart one either, sorry!

How about two hands, a grown up hand holding a child's hand? Kind of, 'I'll never let you go,' 'I've always got you' etc.

[ouryve]

I prefer the child one.

And I can't stop seeing the heart shaped poo, now :o

I'll happily offer this one of DS1. Nice and anonymous - and not grinning at the camera like a loon!
www.flickr.com/photos/ouryveeee/8402040565/

[hazeyjane]

Of course, ideally it should be an image of a goose triumphantly brandishing a carrot, whilst flipping the finger at those that make our dc's lives more of a struggle......but I guess that might be a little esoteric.

[Thereonthestair]

I also prefer the child one. And have been wary about sending a pic of my DS as he has a very visible disability by way of his walker so spot the one with a disability is very easy in his case!

The fact it is very visible means he has had to learn how to answer the questions himself from a very young age, and has always been set apart. I like the idea of that's right you can't, in amongst others who are obviously disabled as we can also feel lost, ostracised and pick on because the disability is visible just as others can when it is invisible.

[tabulahrasa]

I don't think it's all about spot the disablity...it's about personalizing and humanizing isn't it?

I mean there absolutely is an issue where people assume they'd notice if a child has a disability and judge those children where they can't spot it, but isn't the point about looking past the disability, that it's not just a disabled child, it's a child who happens to have a disability?

[RowanMumsnet]

Hello

Thanks for all the input - we'll leave this running until tomorrow so as many people as poss can see it and then we'll come back to you

And point taken about the 'can you spot the child with a disability' photo - please keep the comments coming on that

and FINALLY thanks VERY much for the veritable rush of photos we've had this morning

[ReginaPhilangie]

I prefer the child one too, although he does remind me of the Pringle man now.

[popgoestheweezel]

hazeyjane, I love that idea- can we have that for our own logo on the SN pages?
Agree that the child's grin does look a little inane but it is still miles better than the hearts.

[eatyourveg]

IMO child wins over charlie's angels lookalike easily

[Badvoc]

The child.

[Eyesunderarock]

Apologies for the solipsism of the 'spot the disability' photo, that was me just thinking about the issues my family have had.
All the major problems for DS have come when the adults around him forget he's an Aspie and either are lulled into a false understanding, or know what he needs to cope and can't be arsed to because he seems 'normal'
Over and over again, all through his school years I have gone in and traced the fuse that lead to the explosion. Almost always because they forgot his disability, and the consequences were huge for him and us.
But it wasn't meant as an idea to exclude anyone, merely as picking out one of the many issues we face. He will struggle with his invisible disability all his life. I didn't mean to offend or upset anyone, so apologies again.

[Summerhasloaded]

I don't like either, but the child one might be ok if it wasn't a cartoon balhead.

Sorry!