Vaccination MMR

[Stephanie16]

My baby is going to be 1 in a couple of months and I just want opinion from people whether they think the vaccination has anything to do with children having autism or adhd after. Got one child who is in the process of getting assess and just worried about whether the vaccination contribute to this. Many thanks for replying.

No. That research was discredited a long time ago. Do a little bit of research on measles encephalitis. If you really want to protect your child, get them immunised.

I think that it isn't so straightforward tbh.

I think that injecting toxins into a child who is at a vulnerable stage of their neurological development, who has a predisposition to react unfavourably is very likely to cause or at least make worse the related issue.

I know that plenty of children do not develop complications or symptoms after vaccinations, and that many children with ASD or ADHD have never had a vaccination.

I know that the diseases themselves can carry risks of neurological damage.

I also know that vaccinations aren't guaranteed to prevent contraction of the illness they are supposed to prevent.

I know that there is some very dodgy stuff going on wrt medicines, health of our children and that parents who are eventually compensated for vaccine damage are put through years of hell before they get an alarmingly small financial amount.

I know that the vaccination schedule is based on the history patterns of maternity leave and not the health of babies.

I know that the 3 in 1, and the 5 in 1 vaccines have cooincidently been introduced when the patent of the predecessor ran out.

I know that if you don't get the MMR, you'll not be able to get the mumps seperately.

I know that it is a very personal decision and that you'll never be able to accurately predict the risk to your baby of either having or not, the vaccinations recommended.

I would NEVER vaccinate again...

You definetly can't get the mumps vaccine separately. I tried to get my daughter the 3 jabs separately and after weeks of phone calls and research I simply could not get mumps on ts own so she had the mmr. She is not autistic but my 2nd child is. He had the mmr and i don't think it caused his autism. I think looking back he was a bit different all his life even as a newborn. However il never know if the mmr exasperated his autism, I don't trust it, but equally I'd never put my child at risk of contracting the nasty diseases it protects against. The protection is of course not 100 percent guaranteed but it is virtually full protection. I have read theories that its not the mmr but the mercury in vaccines that some people think cause autism. But personally I believe autism to be a genetic condition as I can see traits in my family.

agree what everyone said.

DS1 with SN had all scheduled vaccines up to age 3. He didnt react to the MMR but cried not stop after the DTP at 2 months.

I delayed MMR for DS2 and administered at age 2.6, no issues.

DD only had BCG to which she got infection, double course of antiobiotics, her sleep, feed cycle broken to bit, BM 1-2 a week if lucky and took me months of alternative therapy (homeopath gave her a dose of BCG, and cranial osteopathy) to get her back to normal, meaning regular BM, sleeping through night, eating well and a happy baby. She will bot go near a vaccine again.

Its not an easy decision but I hope you make the rght one for you, your child and your family. You can always delay it for as long as you need to research it. A nurse told me that DD can have all missed vaccines even after 2.

It's tricky. DS2 had his first MMR and in retrospect, I think he was already autistic, I just didn't recognise it at the time. He had no noticeable effects. I couldn't bring myself to give him the second MMR and DS3 hasn't had either. DS3 is quirky, obviously there's a hereditary link in my family's genes so I felt he was vulnerable, as Star mentions. Now he's 10 I'm seriously considering him getting it to avoid adolescent mumps.

I delayed all vaccinations on my children and the MMR was given when they started school - I have a DS with autism, diagnosed before he started school so I don't think there's a link between them but I do think babies are given too many vaccinations at one time hence me delaying them.

Such a personal choice and a difficult one of you have any doubts. DS (ASD) was given MMR at 1yr - I can't tell you that MMR contributed to ASD or as others said made it worse, but I will say ds was very poorly for about 18mths after he had MMR, almost like his immune system had been drained.
When dd came along, I read up, worried myself sick and went round in circles. I too tried to get singles but as others have said mumps wasn't available so I gave her the MMR 2mths ago when I felt ready for her to have it and I thought she was ready. You are supposed to have the booster mths after but I'm delay for 6mths. I also didn't do the BCG. Dd doesn't seem to have been harmed in any way.

Merry is right - the research says that there us no link.
Others on here also have a point because the research looks at the majority - the whole population vs those who went to be dx with ASD, so then it's about percentages and identifiable links etc etc.

Do you think the MMR had an impact on your eldest? Or are you doing what I did and tearing yourself apart thinking " oh my god! Did I do this to my child? Did I let him be injected with this stuff and now he has ASD?"

So no help I know, but been there too.

Can just say I typed my response on the iPhone and I have fat fingers, hence the many many mistakes.

Stephanie - what do you think yourself?

I know children whose doctors associate the MMR (and their post MMR HDU stays) with their autism. I think it's rare but does happen.

I happily had mine vaccinated. Measles is a killer.

I would always have a child vaccinated.

Another vote for vaccines here. Ironically I gave my DS single jabs, due to family history and the Wakefield scares. He is pretty severely autistic, and was so before the jabs also. My autistic DSD however merrily had all the jabs going, including MMR, and has turned out so well that in the US she would probably be described as "recovered" from autism!

I feel my child needs to be protected but also fear it can cause autism. But I would rather have my child no matter what she has than let something kills her but the fear is a worry. thanks so much for everyone who has taken the time to reply it is good to just know what other thinks so thank u so much.

Well the likelihood of dying from measles is very low indeed. Unless you're malnourished.

It's not an easy decision.

DS1 is severely autistic.
My Mum was very ill with measles and is deaf in one ear from measles.
DS2 and DS3 have not had a measles vaccination to date (they are 8 and 11) - although they may do in the future.

I'm reasonably happy with our decision, but it has to be made at the individual level with a knowledge of family history.

I am currently at home with dd ASD who has the measles. She is very poorly and I feel just awful that I could have protected her from this. I didn't immunise as I have another ds with ASD and quite frankly was terrified that having the vaccine could in some way tip the balance for dd. it didn't she has ASD anyway and now is v ill with measles. I don't blame anyone for not vaccinating because I felt incredibly torn between fear of another ASD diagnosis and wanting to vaccinate. I really wish I had sought out the single vaccines abroad if necessary. When dd is better she will be immunised if only to protect her from rubella and mumps. I have honestly never seen her so ill.

Cansu, I was vaccinated against measles, and caught it, and was very very poorly.

Star I thought I was possibly one of the unluckiest people in the world but you seem to be on a par! I didn't know this was possible!

I wasn't given any immunisations by my parents and none of my children have had any either. DS2 has ASD. DS1 and DS2 caught whooping cough when aged 6 and 3. DS2 was very poorly - ended up in hospital with pneumonia.

He didn't have the usual 'whoop' so Dr's misdiagnosed him for so long it was unbelievable. (the lack of whoop is usually attributed to a child who has been vaccinated, but who still gets whooping cough) I used to race him to A&E in the middle of the night begging them to do something. Nothing. Eventually my DR sent him to paed who dx in 5 mins - had him in hospital on a drip with antibiotics etc.

Would I make the same decision again? Absolutely. That may seem odd, but I believe DS was so ill because of Dr's misdx. Had they known and spotted the signs earlier antibiotics could have been given earlier.

Best piece of advice I can give - look at both sides of the arguments. Read what you can on the benefits of giving them and the dangers of having them. I think the worst thing people can do is take along DC when told by professionals without looking at all the possibilities. Only then should you make your decision.

If you decide not to vaccinate - be clear on your reasons why. My own GP was great, but others raised it at every opportunity - usually to have a go at me.

dc1 had all his vaxs and is OK.
dc2 had all his vaxs until the first MMR. From then he started to have some issues with chronic constipation and then the issues with ASD started to appear.
I have decided not to give him the second lot of MMR.

Now when I had dc1 I was all pro vax and totally sure that it was the best decision ever. That the risk of the vax was small and much smaller than the illness.
Now I am not so sure. As dc2 paed agreed that even though no relation between the MMR and bowel issue/ASD has been made, the fact that there is NO relationship in between hasn't been proven either... Which leaves us, parents, with the full responsibility of the decision.

If I had another child, I would probably chose carefully which vaxs to give and would delay them as much as possible. And I would also work on building their immune system a lot more than I have done when they were little.
Agree that if you go down that route, you need to be very clear as to why as you will be asked again and again to explain yourself.

To be fair to the medical profession they have been pretty supportive & understanding of our decisions. The only time I've had a lecture was from a very junior doctor, and tbh he didn't know what he didn't know iykwim.

But there is quite a lot of evidence that ds1's case his regression was the result of an immune system disorder - and doctors I think are taught 'first do no harm'. The more senior they get the more they remember that ime.