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Children starting secondary in September 2013; support & hand-holding, tips and advice...

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ThreeBeeOneGee · 22/02/2013 20:58

This is a thread for those of us with children who are starting secondary in September 2013; nerve-racking enough even when a child doesn't have SEN.

Hopefully we can give each other support and encouragement.

It would also be great to get some advice and tips from parents who have already seen children through this; what do you wish you had known etc?

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EllenJaneisstillnotmyname · 26/02/2013 11:42

I posted quite a bit on Penneyanne's thread. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/1571295-Ellen-Bigcar-Lostinwales-etc-can-you-advise-on-secondary-transfer-please?pg=2

Nothing much more to add. DS2 (ASD, 20 hour statement, now Y8) is over his 'honeymoon' period when secondary was still exciting and better than primary school, now it's just normal. Smile He's managing pretty well, still happy with no friends Sad and I still have to be his TA for homework and revision. Getting a bit stroppy and teenagerish sometimes when his TA expects him to actually do some work by himself. He got a bit too used to them scribing for him, when they were still learning what he was capable of. Too much help can be as bad as too little.

I'll find out myself Friday which school DS3 has got. DS1 and 2's school doesn't have a sibling policy and we have always been out of catchment.

moose hope today goes well. X

moosemama · 26/02/2013 19:55

Thank you for all the well wishes. I was having a proper wobbly last night - fuelled by self doubt. There's no way I would cancel the statement really, as Attila said, it was too hard won and I know he needs the provision.

Mareeya, it's actually a ms independent, it's just very unique, in that they really do see each child as individual and dyslexia, dyspraxia and ASD do not frighten them. In fact all staff are well trained in ASD and able to talk confidently about how they would differentiate for a particular child's needs. It's an awesome school and I am so glad I heard about it.

Anyway, poor ds was in a right old state this morning, he actually looked green. I managed to gee him along and keep telling him that it was just a chance to visit the school and meet the head, not an interview and nothing to worry about - that he was just to be himself etc. Dropped him at school and explained to his teacher that I had to collect him at lunch time and she told me another child from our school had gone to this indie a couple of years ago, absolutely adored it and thrived there.

He wasn't at all happy when I picked him up, with a list of reasons why it had been a horrible morning, so I took him home and let him watch some of his favourite TV programmes while he ate lunch and we waited for dh to arrive.

We over-estimated the journey time and arrived 40 minutes early, then the HT was running 40 minutes late (he was seeing several families today), so it was almost an hour and a half before we went in. Ds was an absolute star, read the school newsletter and then his book and seemed quite relaxed by then, so I think it worked in our favour that there was a delay, because he had time to acclimatise to the environment before we went in. It's very different to his current 1970's built school, as it's a listed building with high ceilings and echoey corridors etc.

The actual appointment was brilliant. The HT addressed the whole thing to ds and was incredible with him, really taking the trouble to explain things and ask him how he felt about things. Ds took some of his favourite pieces of work to show him and also created a new 'passport' especially to give them. The HT was blown away by ds' work and spent a lot of time telling ds that he shouldn't be so down on himself, because he is obviously very bright, his school results/levels are excellent and he should be really proud of himself.

He also normalised the things ds struggles with by telling him lots of children at the school have similar issues and anxieties, but they get through them and go on to do great things.

Then ds went to meet the LS coordinator and admissions officers while we had a chat with the HT and .... he offered him a place on the spot. He said any school should be snapping our hands off to have ds in it and that ds is a teachers' dream with his good manners, enthusiasm and intelligence. He said the work he brought with him exceeded some of their GCSE students' and the GCSE results for the school are nothing to be sneezed at. He was wholeheartedly unimpressed with the behaviour of the local academy and said it's their loss as ds would have been an asset to their school.

He was really emphatic about the fact that he thinks ds is far more intelligent than even his testing (WISC etc) shows and he can't understand why his current school hasn't seen it and capitalised on it. He was also appalled to hear about all the bullying ds has been through at primary and really keen to tell us that although there will always be a degree of argy bargy with school-kids and ds will need to toughen up a little as he gets older (although as he put it, with plenty of time and careful management and not allowing him to fall during the process) they have a zero tolerance policy towards bullying and physical bullying means instant exclusion. I know he means what he says, because he has turned around a city centre secondary that was in special measures and ended up with children from the school going on to Cambridge Uni - that school also had the lowest exclusion rate of any school in the city.

It was such a massive relief to finally hear someone talking about my ds in such positive terms and recognising that he has so much potential, whilst his primary just want to coast him through average results to make their life easier.

As for them not returning the LAs calls. I get the impression that there was no point, as entry to the school is all down to the HT's say-so, so the admissions officer couldn't tell the LA anything until the HT had made a decision. The HT asked us whether ds had a statement and if our LA knew we were there, so I think he is all about the kids and doesn't get involved in the administration of new intake.

They are going to have ds in for a couple of days or possibly even a week in the summer term to get him used to the school and layout, introduce him to some of his new classmates and do some assessments to help them decide which groups to put him in etc.

So, a huge load off our hearts and minds. Ds is no longer without a placement for September and I might actually sleep tonight! Grin

Ds has been on a high all evening, having had so many lovely things said about him and knowing that the school really wants him. He says he really wants to go there now and is looking forward to it. Smile

NoHaudinMaWheest · 26/02/2013 20:04

Oh Moose how wonderful! Smile Smile Smile.
I'm sure your ds will be very happy there and certainly an asset to the school.

Schmedz · 26/02/2013 20:16

Will be checking this thread frequently! My DS Has Aspergers and I am very concerned how she will cope with the changes. Fortunately she will be going to the senior school of her current junior school which she has said makes her feel more relaxed.

Still, she will not be prepared for the sHock of the whole timetable/ extra children / unfamiliar surroundings in the senior buildings/ extra homework etc etc etc.... Hope I she will be OK with it all!

It's a big enough adjustment for non SEN children!

ThreeBeeOneGee · 26/02/2013 20:31

Moosemama that must be such a relief!

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EllenJaneisstillnotmyname · 26/02/2013 20:34

Moose! Some good news at last, I'm so pleased for you I can't say. (((((hugs))))) all round. X

Penneyanne · 26/02/2013 20:54

moose I am really pleased to hear this news.Well done to you and dsThanks.

troutsprout · 26/02/2013 21:03

Hurrah Moose !
Fab news !
Smile

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kravings · 26/02/2013 22:47

Sorry to be lurking on your thread....but I couldn't help myself... I am so pleased for you moose [hug].
PolterGoose I read somewhere in your earlier post that you are going to go through this process in September. My DS2 will be sitting the 11+ exams in Sept 2013 as well. I have started a thread to go through the process with other parents in similar situation.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/1692134-Sutton-Wilson-Wallington-Grammar-Two-tier-exams-Sept-2013

MareeyaDolores · 26/02/2013 23:39

Grin Grin Grin Wine Thanks
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sunshine175 · 27/02/2013 10:24

I am so pleased for you Moosemama Smile
And a bit jealous as I wish my dd could go to a school like that.

moosemama · 27/02/2013 11:25

Thank you everyone. I was on such a high last night. Then dh brought me back down to earth saying he doesn't want to let himself be happy about it until he sees it in black and white on the statement - which I suppose is sensible.

Sunshine, I wish all children could go to a school like that and I do know how lucky we are to have found it. It's just so incredible to go to a school and find they see the child and their strengths, rather than purely focussing on the labels and challenges.

Had to laugh when the Head told ds he thinks he has a bright future as a writer and ds pulled a face and said - but I'm going to be either a computer programmer, games tester or cricketer! Grin

The school is amazing, unfortunately the hour commute each way on top of a longer school day isn't so great, but we can't have everything and I'm hoping he'll make some friends on his minibus so the journey will be social time for him.

Back down to earth with a bump this morning, when he remembered he has been put on a table with two of his long-term bullies for this half term. Angry

inappropriatelyemployed · 27/02/2013 11:29

Hi

Can I join in? We are heading for secondary in 2014 but having to look now for the Y5 transition review.

I am torn between thinking he could cope in a m/stream with a decent LSA (he has full-time hours on his statement) and a good package of support and then thinking he wouldn't cope at all.

Has anyone any experiences of ASD bases? We saw one which looked good but I worry about 'segregating' him or about academic expectations being lowered. I also worry that they will have their own way of working and will see themselves as the 'experts' and I am the expert!! Grin

But then again, I also worry about him coping without such support.

It's just difficult to predict how he will develop.

moosemama · 27/02/2013 12:44

Hi IE

Not sure how much your ds is like mine, but I can tell you about how we ended up where we are now.

We felt that as ds is very high functioning, academically able and had really started to make headway socially in y5, he would be fine in ms with his statement to guarantee support. Hence pushing for the statement to be in place by the end of year 5.

He wanted to go to the local academy with his best friend and classmates (all the secondary schools in our LEA bar 2 are now academies) and we felt he should be given the chance. So visited, explained his needs, saw their huge LS departments and were told they were sure they could meet his needs, so put the local academy first.

We also visited the standard local school for pupils who have a statement for just about anything. It has a unit for language/communication only, so he wouldn't get into the unit and frankly they are bursting at the seams with pupils who need extra support which they are too stretch to provide effectively. They mean well and the people are lovely, but the school is rapidly becoming a sink school and we knew it wasn't right for ds almost as soon as we stepped into the building.

In the meantime, he started y6 and we watched him get left further and further behind his peers socially. Most of the problems we have had this year relate to social situations and him being developmentally behind his peers. Sexual jokes and horseplay, boyfriends and girlfriends, his 'friends' watching inappropriately age rated films and ditto computer games and jeering at him for being a baby because he doesn't and doesn't want to. As the year has gone on he has become more and more isolated from his peer group and even his best friend seems to be starting to distance himself a little from him. Sad It's so sad to watch, but thinking about it now, kind of inevitable I guess and I'm glad it happened now, rather than once he was already in a huge secondary school with even more nt boys around to jeer at and set him up for social humiliation. Sad

Given the choice over again I wouldn't choose a standard massive ms or academy. If there was a local school with good academic results and an ASD base I would most likely go for that, as he would experience a good deal of a 'typical' school day, but with the back up of somewhere to escape to and proper ASD related support when problems occur.

I think wherever they go at secondary, to some extent the school will always see themselves as the expert and as we will have less contact than we have at primary, with school pick up etc, we will inevitably lose some degree of control over what happens. Even the lovely independent that ds is going to will be like this. I got the distinct impression that they aren't all that interested in the content of his statement BUT they do know a lot about ASD, have taught a lot of children very similar to ds and had excellent results with them both socially and academically. They also see each child - and I mean see the child - as completely individual with an individual set of needs, strengths and weaknesses and that's why I think that although they will do things 'their' way, for my ds at least, that will work. They are interested in building on his strengths and the HT's primary aim for him is to rebuild the damage done by primary school to his self-esteem/self-belief, so that ds can see the same potential in himself that they do.

I am not going to say I am not scared of losing that control - actually it terrifies me - but at the same time, I'm trying to see it as part of the process of ds starting to learn some independence and to be able to recognise his own strengths and weaknesses and learn how to react and respond appropriately to many of the situations he is going to have to face in life without me there to hold his hand and fight his corner every time.

Visit as many schools as you can, ask as many questions as you can think of and don't be afraid to keep calling them or ask for another visit if you aren't sure. I wish I had had more time to do so. It's a massive decision for you to have to make and you are entitled to have all the facts, as well as time to allow your heart/gut feeling about each school to evolve. Do consider independents as well. I hadn't even given them a thought, as I hadn't heard of anything locally, but the perfect school turned out to be one that I'd seen online a couple of years ago when I put the words 'ASD, school and our area' into a search engine.

Are you a member of any local support groups? If not, I would highly recommend doing what we did and join one just to glean info on secondaries and chat about other peoples' experience - it really helped us to realise that putting the academy was the wrong thing to do and also reinforced it being worth the fight for the independent. I wish we'd joined in y5 and been pre-warned, iyswim.

Our process was rushed and screwed up by getting the statement half-way through and therefore being behind everyone else with visits etc and we ended up making a rushed, wrong choice initially. Fortunately we were able to rescue the situation, but the stress has taken it's toll and it's been a tough school year so far this year.

Good luck.

inappropriatelyemployed · 27/02/2013 12:50

Thanks so much for your really helpful post. DS sounds alot like your son and I have noted the social gap developing too.

I do know people whose children have transitioned locally but one has ended up in a residential special school and the other in an ASD base where the children can only take 5 GCSEs.

The only independent special schools I know of are aimed at children with very significant behavioural issues and that would not be appropriate for DS either.

I know of no Asperger's/HFA specific independent provision.

It is so hard!

MerryCouthyMows · 27/02/2013 13:03

Moose!! GrinGrin Yay for it all coming together for you!

I'm so pleased they can see your DS's potential. I bet he feels a lot better now that someone in 'authority' can see how clever he is, it must have been a real boost for him.

I'm so pleased for you all.

I got told this morning, informally, that DS3 has been accepted into the nursery of the SEN school that I looked around on Monday. It's a load off my mind, as they have paediatric first aiders in every class, a school nurse on site all day, and the speech therapist, physiotherapist and Orthotist visit the school. And he will do swimming with a 1-2-1 every week there - in a hydrotherapy pool!!

One down, two to go! (Working on 16+ for DD as well as DS1's secondary placement!)

doitthisway · 27/02/2013 13:28

Hello Smile
My son is due to start secondary school this September. He does have a statement (dyspraxia) which we got September/October last year after two hard years of battling with the LEA and tribunal system. He is very happy with the choice of school as we were fortunate enough to have the school named in the final statement just days before Christmas (a lovely Christmas present). But I just can't help feel apprehensive, he is a lovely young man, fantastic manors, but he is very sensitive and finds the whole school day so overwhelming. SEN teacher at new school seems really on the ball so I am just hoping we can keep on top of things. Good luck to everyone else.

moosemama · 27/02/2013 13:55

Thanks Couthy. I am so pleased for you and your ds as well. The nursery sounds fantastic and you will finally get some respite while your dcs are at school. How did you get on yesterday? Are you ok?

Good lick with ds1's placement and dd's post 16 planning.

Hello doitthisway. It's great that your LA were early with naming and the school SEN teacher is already on board. Have they set up a transition plan for him yet? That might help allay some of your fears a little. In all honesty though, I think we are all in for a nailbiting sleepless year no matter what.

ThreeBeeOneGee · 27/02/2013 14:12

Welcome to Schmedz, doitthisway and inappropriatelyemployed Smile

We had a bit of a dry run with the uniform today. DS2 was asked to dress up 1940s style for a school daytrip. The closest thing we had was his school trousers along with a secondary school shirt and jumper that DS1 has grown out of. Then I found a spare plain blazer for him to wear on top.

He came to show me once he was dressed; he had put the black jumper on underneath the white short-sleeved shirt! He said he thought it was an 'underwarmer' (guessing he means underarmour, which DS1 wears for rugby). He was so pleased with his 'grown-up' uniform... and he looked as ridiculous as you are imagining.

I decided not to even attempt to put a tie on him. We can save that adventure for another day.

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moosemama · 27/02/2013 14:22

ThreeBee, my ds does that as well - puts over clothes on over under clothes, as it were. He has also been known to absent mindedly put on more than one pair of pants and/or socks at the same time - all time record being three pairs of pants. Hmm

Dh says he's going to teach ds the trick where you never undo your tie, you just tie it once, then instead of undoing it and taking it off you loosen it and you can slip it on and off over your head after that.

Really appreciating the advice regarding things like buying spare ties and sports socks, I'd never have thought of that, but it makes so much sense.

doitthisway · 27/02/2013 15:18

My dh is and has been for the last month been trying to teach ds to tie his shoelaces and a school tie. Each day ds forgets and dh has to show him again, hopefully by September he may get it (fingers crossed) I have checked with Clarkes and they do velcro shoes upto size 10, but as ds is already a 7, I reckon we may have a coupe of years before shoes become a problem. I have refered ds to OT to see if they can help him, still waiting to hear.

doitthisway · 27/02/2013 15:19

Moosemama - No transition plan as yet, I think that may come in place when we have his 6 month review

MaryBS · 27/02/2013 17:06

I am SO pleased there are other kids out there that can't tie their shoelaces and won't wear ties... like my lovely boy :)

I don't feel so alone now, I am sick to death of well-meaning people who say "have you tried..." ARGHH!

EllenJaneisstillnotmyname · 27/02/2013 17:50

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