special school placements

[devientenigma]

how are these funded in England?

doesn't the LEA fund them?

yes but how? is it individual per child etc, I need to know to help with part of the plan for what DS needs.

this is how bucks work it out - link to massive long document with details of their convoluted funding calculation:-

docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:j1W9hPdPG5UJ:www.buckscc.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID%3D11232+how+are+special+school+places+funded&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShoVCXiIcF6gLSIu_2uznGQyzdyqdUTbHncvTjKcC9OlSksRFppnpKflAJPngICpxqDXc8Sa-xKddO-Y-ORj1GD1CbMzQ4r4-YG4k-i-uqViEz4X6ZFPjcJ03n0GuN-eX9--0Lw&sig=AHIEtbQK3yvp0HHs4M5JE15sLEucoHknjA

I don't really know, guess it depends on the individual child and the type of school. Dd3 goes to an out of borough maintained ss, her place is funded through our lea and possibly the health side too, I know they were trying to get the pct to fork out at one stage but never got to hear the outcome. If we decide we want the benefits of the residential side at some point then I should imagine social services will be involved with the funding too. From my point of view though they can fight over who funds what between themselves, it's just fighting for the right provision that I got involved with.

It depends on the school and the placement. If it's an independent school the cost would vary depending on the school and also according to the provision within that school in which you want him to be placed. A placement can vary in cost within an individual school depending on the child's level of need.

another link - this lot seem to do it by type of school rather than individually:-

www.surreycc.gov.uk/learning/teachers-and-education-staff/schools-and-learning-finance/schools-formula-funding-process/guide-to-the-special-schools-funding-formula

it's more to do with what I have been told so far in our antics. I have been told the LA SS gets funded for how many pupils they are able to take. So if that school were able to take 50 kids thats what funding they receive regardless whether there are 49 or 51 kids in the school. Is this right?

My DS's SS was funded directly by the LA on a set number of places, ie 34 full time equivalents. It was funded on this basis whether or not it was full. This has always seemed strange to me, as it was purposely under subscribed because the LA wouldn't refer DC there. This was because they wanted to close it and show it wasn't 'good value for money.' Which meant DC who could have really benefitted from being there had to struggle on in MS.

Anyway, that's irrelevant. (Rant, rant) The important thing for you is to find out how SSs are funded in your LA.

Dev, crossed with you. Yes, that's how it worked in our LA. Different to a MS school. I was a governor on the finance committee.

I don't need to know specifically about a place in ss to see if they will fund but if I have been told the correct information.

Or do they fund per child?

They fund per place, not per child.

judging by what the Surrey link says, agree that it's funded per place rather than per child that's actually on the roll.

and thats regardless of how many kids on the register?

It was at my DS's school.

I was told (in Kent at the time) that:

the local ASD unit was full (no surprise there) BUT that we could (in words of Head of unit) direct the LEA to send dd1 there (poilte way of saying fight it through tribunal), and that, given it would then be on dd1's statement, the unit would get the additional funding, and owuld have to make space for dd1.

dd1 is now at an out of county SN independent school. LEA funds (after tribunal threat), and the school is funded per pupil (ie bills per pupil attending)

That is, regardless of how many on the register.

Looks like it may vary, LA to LA, but they definitely fund per place, not per child for SSs in my LA, so that's the case in some.

silver do I have you on fb as in support for tribunal via peachy?

It was the route we were going to go, tribunal, out of county independant SS.

However at times still don't know which way to turn with him.

Again, ours couldn't theoretically take more than 34 FTE.

you do have me on fb, devient - have done for a while (I play lots of silly games while pretending to do some work).

will help as much as I can for tribunal. have you identified a school you want your ds to attend? would that schol have a good plan for re-integration for your ds?

omg!! now I have to work out who you are!!

sorry if that's sounds terrible.

as for games.............do you play sims??

no, doesn't sound bad.

I don't play sims, sorry. I play mostly zynga games.

profile pic is a (very old) picture of me and a baby dd1. I'll send you a message

It appears our special schools the LEA fund each child who are graded 1 -5 depending on their needs DS is a level 5 as he is deafblind and has complex medical needs so he has a 1-1. DD at same school is a level 3. BTW I was told that DS was costing £56,000/yr excluding transport I don't know whether to believe it or not. Please feel free to correct me.

how embarrasing..........I do know silverfrog!!

Why do I never associate you with that nickname??!!

GOT !!

are you England 2old??