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Double MMR jab

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ThomCat · 17/10/2003 14:03

Did you hear that on the news today - a little boy is being 'tested' for autism after being given the MMR jab twice. When he received the 2nd dose his mother says he started acting differently. That all the news bulletin said.

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miranda2 · 17/10/2003 14:07

Oh, I'm fed up to teh back teeth with all this rubbish about MMR. Even if there was a link, the figures are so tiny that kids are FAR more likely to get autism as a result of the inflammation measels can cause. We all have a duty to have our kids vaccinated, for their sakes and for the sakes of all the kids who for medical reasons can't have the vaccine (including all those under 3 months old), who are put at risk by the low take up meaning an epidemic is more likely.
Rant over!

katierocket · 17/10/2003 14:09

ooh miranda 2 think you may have set up a time bomb there.

CountessDracula · 17/10/2003 14:09

That's your opinion Miranda2 and very dogmatic it is too. Would you say the same if like me you had a history of autoimmune diseases that can be triggered by vaccines? I don't think it's as cut and dried as you obviously do.

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ThomCat · 17/10/2003 14:10

I didn't want to start a for and against MMR debate - each to their own - I don't think every mother has a 'duty' to have her child vaccinated at all actually and I chose to have the vaccinations done one at a time - but anyway ....

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Angeliz · 17/10/2003 14:15

i think we all have a duty to protect our kids and a choice as to how we do that! For me it was the single jabs but i think we should all have that choice!

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ThomCat · 17/10/2003 14:19

Oh God - did I start this?!
I was just intersted to hear that a little boy had two lots of the MMR and there are now fears he has autism - that's why I posted it on SN - I just thought it may be interesting to some of the mums, or not, but didn't want to start an argument about whether you should or shouldn't vaccinate. It's old ground and has been well argued on other threads. It's also a free world, well it's supposed to be.

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Angeliz · 17/10/2003 14:20

was the second one not the booster?

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ThomCat · 17/10/2003 14:22

It didn't say Angeliez - but it said that because he moved house there was a mix up and he received 2 lots of the MMR vaccine.

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Angeliz · 17/10/2003 14:24

ooooohhhhhh....that's very scary that that could happen!!

misdee · 17/10/2003 14:26

surely the mother should've realised he had already had the jab.

Angeliz · 17/10/2003 14:27

thats what i was thinking!!

dinosaur · 17/10/2003 14:27

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Jimjams · 17/10/2003 14:29

Thanks for that Thomcat- and maybe Miranda would like to spend a day with an MMR damaged child.

Mind you news bulletin does sound a bit bizarre (as having it twice shouldn't alter the risk of damage as such- will look out for story with interest).

Anyway I'm off to take my unvaccinated ds2 to the park to breathe on other children. Vaccinated autistic ds2 won't get close enough to any other kids to breathe on them.

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ThomCat · 17/10/2003 14:31

JimJams -

It was a strange news story yes, I was hoping someone might know more. If I hear anything else I'll report back.

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ThomCat · 17/10/2003 14:34

Actually JimJams that should be a and a at the same time.

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Northerner · 17/10/2003 14:40

I've lost ds's red book. Bad mother that i am. Hunted high and low I have.

eidsvold · 17/10/2003 19:00

northerner your primary care trust would also have a record of what your child has had as each surgery has to send off the list of kids who they vaccinate - I am positive.

As dd had to delay her jabs due to surgery they changed her records and then sent out the little slips accordingly.

mieow · 17/10/2003 19:25

Surely the mother should have realised that her DS had had the MMR already......... I know all the jabs that my kids have had.
A friend of mine's 2 year old was given the MMR at 2 months old by mistake. His brother was having the MMR and he was having his triple jabs and the nurse got carried away with the MMR jabs. Luckily he is ok

Blu · 17/10/2003 19:37

Most people seem super-aware of whether they've had the MMR or not....obviously not enough about it in the news fter all, Miranda!!!

Jollymum · 17/10/2003 20:48

I haven't had No 4 done-bad mother?-because I was going to have the single ones and then that all blew up, about some places that do single ones not giving them correct doses etc and also because I know two doctors who would not give their children the MMR. (They would give them singles but only at the right place). I don't really have a definite medical reason and I wouldn't argue with anyone the whys or wherefors BUT my No 4 is not having his. I work with mums all week and I NEVER advise one way or the other. I'm not qualfied (and who say health visitors/nurses are, surely they just react to the information thay are given by the Govt.) and I would never offer an opinion. My child is my child and my decision is mine, for whatever reason and each mum has to make her own mind up. It's very hard to be a parent and I always feel realy scared (or used to) when I had to sign those forms about vaccinations sayimg I totaly agreed with whatever they said/gave my child and wouldn't take legal action/moan about the consequences. Take time to look at the facts, I know it's hard and in most cases, it's probably OK, but I'm just a stroppy mum and I don't profess to have any knowledge other than gut reaction.

RexandBen · 17/10/2003 21:49

My DS1 did not have the MMR (we opted for single jabs) and he has an Austic Spectrum Disorder. Although his autism was obviously not caused by MMR, who knows how severe it may be if he did actually have the jab?! There is a history of autism as well as autoimmune diseases in my family, so it doesnt take a genius to figure out that having the MMR jab would not be a wise step.

It is highly irresponsible to critise anyone for not having the MMR, because no matter what spiel we are fed from the government and the NHS the link between vaccinations and a wide variety of diseases is not known. And yes I am qualified to talk about this because I am also a biologist with a wide knowledge of genetics and immunology.

Therefore there is absolutely NO WAY that DS2 will have the MMR either.

Jimjams · 17/10/2003 22:19

Your family history (of autoimmunity) sounds like mine rexandben Actually we sound like sisters as I'm a biologist too

ks · 17/10/2003 22:23

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Jimjams · 17/10/2003 22:46

His research was published in a respectable peer reviewed journal though. He remains one of the few people who have looked at the affected children. He also set out expecting to find no link- but kept an open mind- he claims to have been stunned by his findings. Of course the dept of health "knows" the MMR is safe - which is funny because no -one else does and the research certainly hasn't been done yet.

Davros · 17/10/2003 22:56

What AW found was a small number of autistic children whose parents brough them to him because they had digestive/gut problems which turned out to be bowel disease. They had measles in their gut and no other explanation of how it got there. He simply published the results (which did surprise him), it was peer reviewed and in The Lancet, then replicated................ That is all he has ever said, this is what he found and one possibility of how the measles got there is the MMR (no-one can think of any other way it got there). This does not PROVE a link but nothing has been done to disprove a link. Its the same situation as BSE, becasue no link had been proved the govt policy was that it was safe until it could be shown otherwise and look what happened there! Yes, I have a son with ASD but I don't think the MMR had any affect on his ASD but I can understand the principle that just because a link hasn't been proved does not mean that it doesn't exist. All anyone wants is more research that looks directly at children with this being the stated purpose of the research. Wahey, they may prove its safe and then we can all relax.

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