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ADHD ... does not qualift for a Statement????

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coogar · 18/01/2011 09:19

My son's teacher informed me that he will never get a Statement with a dx of ADHD as it falls under 'Emotional & Behaviour'. She said we would only be able to apply for one if he was on the autistic spectrum. Does anyone know if this is true? He's being formally assessed in Feb for ADHD. On the Connor's questionnaire, school said his behaviour 'severely' impacted his learning and he is a 'burden' to the class as a whole. So I thought, with that in mind, he may qualify and I'd get their support. Seems. even if he does get a dx, she's written it off as a non-starter. Just thinking ahead really. Any advice?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/01/2011 09:29

coogar

If I had £1 for every time such rubbish was uttered by "professional people" like your son's teacher I'd be very wealthy by now!.

This teacher is not at all qualified to make such pronouncements; don't fall for it. I personally know of a child with ADHD and this person has a statement.

The LEA make the decision to assess re Statutory Assessment, certainly not this teacher. Ignore this naysayer and put your request in to the LEA for this document asap.
You also do not need the school's permission to request a Statement yourself.

IPSEA's website is helpful re the statementing process and there are model letters you can use:-

www.ipsea.org.uk

You are your child's best - and only - advocate here. You are truly best placed to fight for your son's educational rights because (as you have already seen from this teacher) no-one else will.

cornslik · 18/01/2011 09:33

what attila said

coogar · 18/01/2011 09:37

Atilla Thanks! Do I need a formal dx to get the ball rolling so to speak?

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bigcar · 18/01/2011 09:37

as attila said, you are being fed a line. I too know a child with adhd and a statement.

bigcar · 18/01/2011 09:38

a statement is given on need not dx so start now if you want, use attilas link

cornslik · 18/01/2011 09:41

no you don't need a dx

Al1son · 18/01/2011 09:46

As others say you don't need a dx but as the statutory assessment process is so long winded you may well have one before the reports are requested anyway which would no doubt be helpful.

Good luck.

IndigoBell · 18/01/2011 09:49

Nor does being on the Autistic Spectrum necessarily mean you qualify for a statement.

Most teachers have absolutely no idea about SEN and statements and stuff.

He qualifies for a statement if the school can't meet his needs using their existing resources.

So, for example, if he needs 1:1 and school can pay for it, then he doesn't qualify for a statement. However if he needs 1:1 and the school can't afford it - then he needs a statement.

All you have to prove is that the school can't meet his needs using their existing resources.

coogar · 18/01/2011 09:58

Indigo Is it simply a case of stating that his reading is under par, has poor numeracy skills, is unable to concentrate for required levels of time, is disruptive in class, has difficulty settling to task, constantly seeks reassurance from teachers, needs 1:1 supervision to stay on and complete tasks, is lively beyond the realms of 'normal' and can be a pain in the arse!! .... should I send a copy of the Connor's form as back up to how School see him. This is completely new territory for me and I feel a bit alone. I don't want to blow it at stage 1 iyswim

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Al1son · 18/01/2011 10:55

The first hurdle is getting them to agree to do a statutory assessment. In order to do that you need to show them that school are unable to meet his needs from their own resources.

I'm sure there'll be a template on IPSEA or SOSSEN or someone on here might have one. YOu could send copies of some IEPs or say what has been tried and failed. Say clearly that he needs more than the school is currently able to provide.

Triggles · 18/01/2011 12:28

Yup, have to agree that this is rubbish. Why is the teacher saying this? Do you have a senco at the school that can assist you in any way? (I know, some are bad, but some are very good)

Best of luck to you! The people on this board have been so helpful, they can provide you with great guidance!

WetAugust · 18/01/2011 18:04

Your son's teacher spouts crap Angry

intothewest · 18/01/2011 18:29

There are children at ds's school who fall into the 'emotional,social,behavioural' category...you have to have a statement to attend his school

Dameednabeverage · 18/01/2011 19:56

My ds has a statement of over 20 hrs for BESD.We do not have a dx as yet (possibly AS). Teacher is talking rubbish. I just emphasised the difficulty he has with his peers and the danger he could be to himself and others. Safeguarding is the 'big thing' at the moment. Keep pressing the safety issues and they should agree to assess. They won't want any incident to happen to another child after you have warned them of the risks. Good luck.

coogar · 19/01/2011 16:48

Dame there aren't any safety issues with our ds. He's not aggressive, just hyper, noisy and unable to concentrate. The only angle I'd have to come from is the fact his under achieving and disrupting the class ... do you think there is a chance they would refuse to assess based on this?

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Dameednabeverage · 19/01/2011 17:15

Some LA's refuse to assess as a matter of course so I would expect that if I were you. If your ds is disrupting the educagtion of other's then they would have to take that into account. What the school have said will be useful as they won't be able to state that they are managing his difficulties. Get the ball rolling and apply. EP will then have to see him which will hopefully add weight to your case. Depends on EP though - some apparently are not helpful at all.

LaydeeC · 20/01/2011 08:50

The majority of LEA's will refuse your initial request for an assessment. So you will appeal and, if you can prove that your child is not progressing, the LEA will likely back down and assess. You can request an assessment again if they do turn you down initially. This does not mean the end result will be a statement but it is NOT your child's teacher's decision and nor should she be telling you such shite.
I was told again and again that my child would not get a statement (Aspergers Syndrome) by his teachers/SENCo/HT.
He is now in a specialist school for Asperger boys. T'was a fight but we got there in the end despite the lack of support from his mainstream school.
Good luck - 'tis a long journey but you are his only advocate and the only one with his interests at heart and not an eye on the pursestrings.

Dadinwaiting · 20/01/2011 09:16

Go easy on the teacher, she is probably just sharing her previous experiences. Trust me, if there's a chance that a teacher can get help with an SN child via a statement or other means, then it is certainly in the interest of that teacher and the rest of the class to seek all available support. Otherwise, all the other kids suffer because the teacher is spending significantly more time with one child.

rabbit3 · 20/01/2011 09:23

Hi cooger

I done a conners last summer for my son, and it showed my son as having ADHD, he is under achiving at school, and i must say that the school that he attends is very pro active, they told me that they was going to apply for a statment, and this was before the ADHD, as it is based on his educationl needs, and as he is underachiving and finds it hard to sit still in class (even with medication for ADHD) my advice is if you feel a statment will help your child, in giving him the support he needs at school, then go for it, no one knows your child like you do, and we all want the best for our children.

Hope this helps

LaydeeC · 20/01/2011 09:34

Dadinwaiting - I would never go easy on the teacher! They can be a key to accessing further support but ime, they don't need to have training in SEN, they just need to liaise with a SENCo - and many refuse to do that as they prefer to believe it is poor parenting.
And, before you say it, I am surrounded by friends and family within the education system.

buttons99 · 20/01/2011 11:32

My DSD has a statement which she has had since she was 5. Her diagnosis then was ADHD. She has since moving to high school had ASD diagnosed too but the inital statement was based on ADHD only.

Dadinwaiting · 20/01/2011 14:16

@LaydeeC There are certainly different levels of experience and capability within the teaching community as far as SEN goes, but as I say, teachers are unlikely to want to deal with a SEN child on their own if they can get help in to support them. It does, however, depend on the capability and willingness of the SENCo to step in and support. I know of incidences where class teachers have been crying out for support from SENCo's but the SENCo was unwilling to take on the workload (not because she was overloaded, but because this particular individual was bone-idle). The lesson in that one was don't always assume the SENCo is on your side too!

tinks5678 · 20/01/2011 18:35

if you qualify for legal aid... get a solicitor who is specialised in special educational needs/disability. If you don't qualify but can afford a solicitor, then get one.

As a parent you have the right to request the initial assessment. Then you have the right to appeal if they decide that a statement is not required.

pinkstarlight · 21/01/2011 00:03

i also know a child who had ADHD at my sons old school he had a statement.dont be fobbed off im really sorry to say but if you want your child to have a statement then your going to have to fight for it, alot of us mums have been there.

the first thing i would do is forget the teacher arrange a meeting with your childs school senco and demand hes seen by a educational psychologist as its infringing on his ability to learn and effecting others, they are worth their weight in gold and can get things really moving

salomawe · 11/02/2013 17:43

My stepson has been through this process and was diagnosed with ADHD so I thought I would share his experience with you. He was diagnosed at age 7 years and 6 months old. After a year medicated with Concerta (Methylphenidate Hydrochloride) in April 2012 his mum could no longer cope with his behaviour and constant arguments, so she said she didn't want him living with her any more. The medication gave him motor tics, stomach ache, itchy skin, insomnia, lethargy, lack of appetite, high blood pressure, affected his short term memory and slowed his cognitive processing. He continued to make slow progress at school where the teacher told him she didn't have time to teach him and the only sessions he enjoyed at school were lunch time, play time and home time. He moved in with me and his dad and changed schools. I withdrew the drug completely within the first week, changed his diet to a more natural diet (high protein, vegetables, fruit, complex carbohydrates, no sugar or simple carbohydrates, only water or milk to drink), introduced discipline, routines, boundaries, exercise, constructive play, verbally teaching all tasks he needs to learn, regular bedtime 7:30pm 7 days a week. Out of bed 8:00am Monday to Friday, 8:30am Saturday and Sunday. After a follow up assessment at CAHMS November 2012, his blood pressure had gone back to normal, they were not familiar with the severe learning disability non verbal learning disorder, I had uncovered and suggested he no longer needed to be on their register as he did not now appear to have ADHD. Spending time understanding my stepson's needs, I uncovered a hidden severe learning disability. The disability is effectively invisible unless you know what you are looking for. He does enjoy going to school now but has difficulties with adaptive learning, creative writing, social cues, language interpretation (takes everything literally) and organising himself (slow adapting to a switch in learning environment, getting changed for P.E, packing bag at end of lessons, poor spacial awareness, low self awareness, poor and slow writing ability, poor comprehension, can't read between the lines, doesn't understand anything that has not been verbally taught, can't adapt previous learning to new situations, inability to think creatively. Having persisted with the Local Education Authority and not accepting their initial refusal to assess him for a Statement of Special Educational Needs; the assessment is now in progress and as part of that assessment CAHMS have provided on my request, a referral to a paediatrician to examine a neurological cause of his impaired learning progress and behaviour. Could your 7 year old be saved from the debilitating side effects that come with medication? It is definitely worth exploring a neurological cause and a process of managing the challenges with alternative intervention as described in this post because your child could also have an invisible learning disability.