If your child has ASD, do you believe it was caused by MMR?

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I still keep reading about this, especially in articles from USA.
I know it wasnt the cause of DDs because they have signs long before MMR jab. I am wondering though, but dont want this to end in a massive fight either.

My thoughts are no. There was ASD well before these vaccinations were available, whether diagnosed or undiagnosed (but existing all the same).
Its a bit like saying that everything that is on the increase in diagnosis - obesity, ASD, Allergies etc has it's route in vaccinations. There are far more potential triggers out there than that. IMO.

No, but I see no reason given that we know ASD is epigentic in origin (a result of genes plus environmental influence) to suppose that it couldn't be for some children.

DS3 regressed after his MMR so ds4 had separates BUT even if MMR was linked I think it was the genes that caused it and he'd have found a trigger somewhere.

nope, there was absolutely no change in him after the MMR, he didn't even have a temperature, I'm pretty sure there were issues from birth - I just didn't realise there were because he was my first

No. he was a bit ill after the MMR, just under the weather.
His 'absentness' and lack of communication were already evident before the MMR.

Gp has recommended that DS2 (23mths) has the single vaccines though just in case.

I don't think the jab causes ASD but maybe it could trigger it, but who's to say something else might not trigger it later.

No, I don't think so - ds had the MMR at 12 months, he was imo developing perfectly normally until 17/18 months then he just seemed to stop (not really regress but stop) for a year. I'm not happy to give him the booster though & dd2 won't have it until she's 3.

No. Toad was showing signs that had been picked up way before he had the MMR.

I think it is very rare to find someone who things the MMR was responsible for their child's autism.

The argument against MMR, isn't really about MMR, it is about vaccinations in general and the lack of proper research into which individuals they are contraindicated for as because reactions are rare, it is considered better to jab the population as a whole and take the risk with the few. Some people disagree with this argument.

Nope, DS1's is definately genetic and DH never had MMR.

Absolutely not!

No - I think concern about any vaccine is valid as there is no such thing as 100% safety and every year children are injured by vaccines - but the diseases are not exactly 100% safe either. It's one of these moral conundrums that we may end up driving up risk and injury to children - paradoxically by trying to avoid the small risks of vaccines. Obviously though if your one particular child has an adverse reaction, then overall safety of children in general is not much of a consolation to you as a parent

I do know people on here whose opinion I respect that believe it was MMR and for tehir chidlren I woulda ccept thier opinion tbh.

It's unlikely there's any one thing that triggers genetic ASD (many people believe that the vast majority of genetic syndromes need an environmental rigger- the classic example is PKU: the genetics would never show without the environmental trigger of phenylalanine in food).

We know that ASD is mroe lilkely where there were birth complications, where the child lives near a very busy road (we lived alongside the A38 in the foirst few months of my ASD duo's lives).... there is research suggesting that using calpol to bring down a fever can be trigger- throwing fevers into the mix could lead to vaccines and viruses for a small amount of chidlren.

But there is no one ASD: all ASD means is that our kids share simialr symptoms, not a cause.

Dd1 was showing signs of having AS from day one so i would say 'no', but dd2 seemed nt until after the first MMR, i keep thinking about the day after she was born and what great eye contact she had (compared to her sister who wouldn't really look at anyone), it wasn't until we realised she wasn't trying to talk/communicate that we thought there was a problem (this was picked up at her 2 year check up, 6 months after the MMR). Dd2 then had the MMR booster at the age of 3 and had a bad reaction (ended up in hospital). I am unsure if the MMR caused her ASD/or triggered something or if i was blind and did not see the symptoms because her traits where different than dd1's.

If i had any more children (which i won't) there is no way i would give them the MMR (mainly because of the reaction dd2 had to the booster).

No. There is ASD in my family already so I paid for the single jabs for DS1 as I was nervous about the link.
DS1 has ASD

I changed my mind and ended up giving DS2 the MMMR a couple of years later and he is NT

No, not caused by it, she was already showing a few signs.

However, I cannot know that it didn't exacerbate it, how can we ever know that?

All I do know is that if/when we have another child I will be paying privately for the individual shots as opposed to the 3 in 1 MMR. Just in case.

DS went blind after his 3 month jab and he had development delay after that.

I definately think the 3 month jab caused his ASD.

(He regained his sight at about 12 months and caught up with all his milestones between 2 and 3. We never got any diagnosis for any of his eyesight or developmental problems)

I do know people who think the MMR jab directly caused their children's ASD - but they're not MN friends :)

Ds has not had any vaccinations so it wasn't that for us.

I agree with the caution with vaccinations. Although not MMR, but the pre-school booster, DS2 had a reaction - HSP (Henoch Schonlein Purpura) - which can lead to kidney failure. The immune system turns on itself as it is overloaded. The most frequent suggestion is that there had been a recent illness that 'triggered' the response, but the NHS website lists vaccinations and immunisations as other contributors.
Perhaps it is not the content of the vaccination/immunisation, but the overloading of an immune system that is immature that triggers any kind of response in an already genetically compromised individual?

In a word - NO. The MMR had nothing to do with DS's ASD. My feeling is that ASDs are down to a variety of reasons environmental, physical etc

really intresting stuff. Both my pregnancies and births of DDs were horrible. Both were low birth weights at full term, 5lb and 5lb 3oz, both had unstable heart tracings during birth and my placenta had started to pack in too as was described as gritty and had a hole in it
I often wonder about the whole pregnancy/birth causing their difficutltes :(

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BTW, I would say that its not just the MMR that worries me. I have Rhesus negative blood and was given all those anti-D shots when pregnant and after dd was born. I won't be getting those next time around. In fact those cause me more concern than the MMR.

No. All the signs were already there before they had their MMR.

I had rhesus injections too (with both of mine), i also took anti-sickness drugs with both dd's (more so with dd2).