autism and the mmr vaccine

[haze36]

hello ladies my son has autism after an mmr vaccination and my sons problems started soon after.There is a dr and two other professionals who got sacked from the general medical council for opening their mouths.These dr's have solid proof and thousands of families whose children changed soon after the mmr vaccine.Check out dr wakefield by googling his name as i don't think i am allowed to post links here.His work is a huge eye opener.Everyone has there own opinion and i am not pushing mine on anyone i just don't want any more kids to suffer.It has ruined my sons life.If your child has autism and bowel problems check his work out you will be amazed.

Same as the last thread?

Did you not fancy the discussion on the other thread, then?

Oh, and links are fine, BTW. You address not allowed to advertise, bit linking to other sites is fine.

Erm, can try to have a diflg around a bit later for you, Star.

Search for Beachcomber's posts, though, seriously. She really knows her stuff. Also MrsT, and previous names, - lots of info there.

Happy to answer genuine questions where possible, but I am trying to withdraw when threads go tits up these days, rather than argue on for days (although not convinced how successful that will be)

haze the doctors did not get sacked for opening their mouths they got sacked because their research was unethical, unmonitored, and on the illegal side. As I said before my son has severe autism and severe bowel problems and has done since birth so no connection at all. I think you will find if you look into it the traits of autism become apparent at 15-18 months, just after the mmr is given. ASD is genetic no doubt about it.

Jjones autism is many things. There is no such thing as 'autism' - that much researchers can agree on.

Op - are you a member of treating autism or the autism mothers facebook page? You will find many others in the sane situation there. There are some here as we'll but they don't always go public with it.

Sane? Same even. Although I do think you are sane. I know enough mmr damaged kids to know it happens.

No strike that.

My DS did have autistic traits before MMR but no food issues. He ate everything and had no bowel or gut problems.

After the vaccine he was dangerously ill with his first ever bout of D&V and couldn't even keep water down.

We went through several cot sheets and clothes every night for ten nights. The fact that he was still BF saved him although it exhausted me.

DS was exhausted too and one night DH and I woke up even before he did because the stench from him was so toxic.

The other thread mentioned MMR boosters at 3.5. I don't think I want it for him. Any advice?

Jjones, did you also not want to engage on the other thread?

I don't understand why haze started a second thread, but equally I don't understand why you would skip over here either (unless the balanced, reasoned posts on the other thread were not to your taste)

FWIW, my dd was also clearly autistic before she had her mmr.

It does not logically follow from that that Wakefield et al are wrong, though. Indeed, despite dd not being one of the sub group identified, I think wakefield talks a lot of sense (and dd does have gut issues, and has responded well to biomed)

Saintly, I agree with what you are saying about 'autism' I should have said my son is on the severest end of the spectrum.
I feel very strongly about the genetic link, there is too much connection in my family and others I know. I also feel very strongly the what Dr Wakefield did was unforgivable, if he had done is research in the proper way then maybe it would be worth looking at, but would the results have come out the same, maybe, maybe not.

Silver I did reply on the last thread.

This is a very good site regarding research into the causes of autistic spectrum disorders.

My son is also severest end of the spectrum. There is no autism in our huge family (I have 22 first cousins) but there's lots of autoimmune conditions. Ds1 regressed following a viral infection.

Wakefield's research? You have to read it/ talk to his group and take a view. I work in autism research and I see nothing wrong with his research. It's not my area as such but there are plenty of people finding similar sorts of things. And whilst it's completely unpublishable there ate also plenty of mainstream researchers happy to fit various vaccinations into their models. Unfortunately his research attracted political attention and so was buggered.

Have met a number of paediatricians who agree with him as well.

I have read many different research papers and there is evidence for and against many opinions, my personal opinion is that asd is a combination of many factors some genetic and some environmental. The site I gave above have found that children who have the genetic markers seem not to have inherited them from their parents but the damage may have been caused at fertilisation.
I think everyone has their own opinion and we may not find out, in our lifetimes anyway.
As for Wakefield he was charged with 12 counts of the abuse of developmentally-challenged children, to me that was wrong.

Well wakefield's trial was political I don't have any problems with the issues on which he was supposedly found 'guilty' as they were twisted. Quite cleverly. Bit twisted nonetheless.

The genetic link to autism (where it runs through families) is there for sure. Usually it appears to be linked to higher functioning autism. It doesn't really relate to anything in our family.

Ds1 is in a class of 6 severely autistic boys. They're all quite different. One is mmr damaged (according to his paediatrician). He's very different from ds1.

It's definitely not one thing.

Ds1's autism is so clearly related to a knockout of language (he tries hard to communicate - but age 11 has one word) that I wouldn't be that surprised if he had a big genetic thing going on tbh. To the point where I've asked genetics to rule out various language related disorders.

But he's very different to the mmr kids I know. They may be sevetely affected but in a different way.

I don't know very much about this subject but it must be a good thing for doctors to be reminded that our children have the same rights as NT children and that they should not be seen as expendable just because they have disorders.

Jjones, out of interest what environmental factors do you.consider play a role?

Agree with MrsT - the gmc trial was politically based. The 12 counts of abuse you cite relate to the question of whether there was clinical need for the children involved to have the investigations they did. Are you really saying that you think a child presenting with severe pain, symptoms such as blood in stools, should not be investigated for gut disorders?

Because if you think that wakefield (and team) should have, as doctors, tried to find a cause for the pain and discomfort, then the verdict is a farce.

Willow - completely agree with you. I am not happy whenever a doctor tells me "oh yes, gut issues are often seen in autistic children", and then goes on to do nothing about it.

Yet, when dd2 presented with the same gut issues, she had a whole series of tests to exclude various illnesses. The difference? Dd2 isn't ASD.

It's sickening, really.

Saintly, its interesting what you.say re: language.

Dd1 has a severe language disorder (is verbal, but quite garbled)

Increasingly, we are of the opinion that dd2 will probably end up with an AS dx. As she develops, she is showing more and more traits.

When we take a step back and try to see it from another perspective, it is clear that the main difference between them is that dd1 has not developed language well, and has so many gaps, whereas dd2 is a typical AS early fluent talker - fluent beyond her years, with highly developed language.

It is fascinating how this single difference can, on the surface, change things so much.

Yes - I am sure there would have been more of a public outcry if Andrew Wakefield had treated NT children the way he did ! But our children are seen as less important to society I suppose

That's why the parents have continued to support him. His team treated their children. Now children with painful bowel disorders are just left in pain. You would have thought that might have moved on but very few have the skills to treat this group so they get left.

That's what the case came down to. He said the treatments were clinically indicated (they're fairly routine in the states and some of the procedures were established as best interest this year so I think this us a valid argument). The gmc (none gastros) said they weren't. I think if I had a child who ended up with bowel removed (not by Wakefield) I'd have expected some earlier treatment.

I wrote that wrong I know it I not blame people look for, and I am sorry for using that expression.
Something I have noticed though, haze36 has created thee 2 treads, got us all irate with each other, not to be heard from again.
We all have our own ideas as to where our children's autistic traits come from and there is no one set answer for ll of us.
When I say environmental factors, I meant anything outside of genetics, including vaccines.
I am not going to post again on this thread as I feel it is just getting everyone's back up and I don't want that to happen. We have enough fights to deal with in our everyday lives that we should not have that here, just wondering if the op knew this would happen though!

I agree jjones, I think I was trying to say that too but it got confused as often happens through no one's fault. It's maybe not an ideal subject for the kind of in and out postings we all make (or that I make). I think the forum works best when giving advice rather than debating issues like this.

sorry i created two didn't think the other thread had worked properly,that wasn't intentional.Every mum has the right to choose and see things from both sides of this dr wakefields and the nhs advising parents to have children immunised which is completley up to the parents.My sons eyesight failed straight after the mmr and when he had his booster straight after he had severe bowel problems,how can a child just'develope' these things i think dr wakefield is a trooper for shedding light on this and i hope that in time he will prove his findings for all haters to chew on.The dr's were sacked for opening their mouths do you really think a dr would do that many years training knowing he is taking a huge risk with his future for nothing,no i don't.