tutterling2 is The World's Worst Sleeper: official. please oh please oh please come and help (warning: i am likely to NOT want to hear from you if you fundamentally refuse to let a baby cry)

[Tutter]

i know some of you think it is wrong wrong wrong to leave a baby to cry

but with both boys we have reached points where we have decided to use cc

with ds1 it was a 2 night process - job done. he's now 3yo and we've never looked back

ds2 different. he goes through phases of screaming when he's put down for a nap or at bedtime. tonight he made himself sick within 2 or 3 minutes of being put down (we'd planned to go in after 5mins)

last night he woke at 3am and cried until 5:10 - we were in and out the whole time

we've learnt through experience that he is generally fine - not hungry/ill - happy as larry once up and out of his cot

again, i know some of you will say i should have got him up at 3am and held him/come downstairs/whatever

but i am

knackered

3+ years of being woken at 5am. a handful of 6am starts thrown in to ease the pain. in 3+ years i have woken naturally once

i could not get up at 3am

just could not

heyulp

With us (others have told me their experiences are similar, but don't know if this is generally what they do?) we have a period (2 months the first time!) of writhing and battling and exhausted frustrated badness, then the sleep gets fantastically better for a time, and the drooling and gnawing starts, then a while after that they cut through (which oddly doesn't seem to bother him much). None of it upsets him much apart from the early bit which causes night after night of unsettleable misery.

Much better now I have identified it as such, and know it will pass, and much reduced chance of abandoning baby and moving into a Travel Inn

ds1 was PISS EASY

at the time i thought he was a Really Difficult Baby

Medised

dd and ds1 didn't sleep through until they were 2. And are still not that great (6&3). ds2 is 6mo and sleeps 7-7 apart from a shove-dummy-back-in-please squawk at 4ish - there is a God

She did Tutter, the teething gel has benzocaine in it so shoudl work far beeter then any UK stuff and teh tablets have a note on them that says "if your baby has been crying or very upset he/she may fall asleep after using this product because tthe pain has pein relieved and you child can rest"

That alone is good enough for me

She sent them after I started my caught in teething hell thread.

I heart scootergrrrl.

Theres no harm in asking.....

btw my 20:09pm post was meant to say sent not send.

I wasn't demanding she send you some too, shes a teething angel and all that but I can't spend her money for her

thanks

have CATed her

For tutterling No#2 I gave a miserable, whingy, annoyingly fighting sleep for almost an hour some teethng tablets.

Not had a peep since.

I'm telling you that must be magic.

sorry i gave DS4 them....

I think i need some sleep too

DD was the same way. But unfortunately at 5 1/2 years is still the same way. Ds had been soooo easy, I was totally unprepared for how terrible it could be. Putting her to sleep on her tummy really helped a lot. I also found that I had to remind myself that she really really really is a light sleeper and that someone sneezing downstairs really can wake her up. And that it's no use pretending that she will grow out of it, or get used to noise and light. Ridiculous thing is that I am exactly the same way and why I think it will be different for my dd is beyond me.
In the end I found that I mostly just put earplugs in my ears and let her cry. As it turned out, she has night terrors rather than nightmares which are unconsolable anyway, so it's not like I'm depriving her of comfort that would make a difference. At 11 months it's probably too young, but I definitely notice with my dd that I have to be very careful that she isn't stressed by things. (ie Scary movies will give weeks of night terrors. Seems obvious, but what is scary to her is not scary to most kids....she had to be carried out of Ratatouie because she was petrified. She bawls her eyes out at Finding Nemo. etc.) I try not to let her know too much in advance about trips or special activities because even though she is 5, she will worry herself sick about what we need to bring (enough food, water, sunscreen) and how we will get there and whether the house will be robbed while we are gone. All of this translates into sleepless nights. I think that when she was a baby, some of that must have been there subconsciously and that's part of why she couldn't sleep.
So, best of luck. But my advice would be to figure out how to not let it drive you crazy, and how to get some sleep in between it all, rather than trying to change something that may very well not change.

if it makes you feel any better tutter, Ds4 has been up on and off alllllllll night.

I am shattered.

I think that going 'in and out the whole time' is the worst thing you can do when CC tbh

meaning with DS, who we did do CC with, we just left him to scream .. knowing he was safe and well.. every time he saw us / felt us it would give him further ammunition

oih i wish i'd known about this fab teething stuff. What's it called? Where can you get it?

we only have the 4 big molars left for DS but on previous experience, it's going to be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

tutter. it sounds like teeth to me. It sounds grim too. Loads of sympathy from me (my DS is an angel at the mo but true to form, blardy DD has been up every night for about a month now, or refusing to go to bed whilst I"m out in the evening and so going to bed at 10/11 pm which just means she is VILE at the moment and so am I. Sleep deprivation is so horrible)

The gelis called Baby Orajel -nighttime formula and the tablet thinsg are called Hylands Teething Tablets.

Scootergrrl got them from the american shop, where she live in germany.

Baby Orajel

Teething tablets

Aha - my reputation is spreading

i hope you didn't mind me offering your teething angel services.....

Spread the teething relief joy - I'll pop down there today and see if I can get some Tutter.

i may love you more than life itself [happy oh so happy] - thank you sg (did you get my CAT?)

ps poor you, lth - welcome to the Dark Side

I haven't got anything yet but it doesn't alwasy come through straight away. Would madam like the full menu of teething relief services or an a la carte selection of one or the other ?
Mrs JC - I can get some for you too if you want. It's the strongest teething gel known to man!

anything and everythin, please

how do we transact? i post euros? or do you have paypal?

he did his usual of throwing up everywhere when we came down stairs so the magic potions from scooter will be out in full force today.

no signs of any sickness since and he's eaten and had some milk which is how I know its teething again, He's playing with toy electric screwdriver atm....trying to unscrew anything that looks like a screww

Paypal works for me. I did send the others in return for Green and Black's chocolate from the UK but I suppose I should restrict my intake if I am ever to fit into my favourite jeans again.... I'll email you when I get your CAT.

ooooh you are lovely
I can paypal too, so long as you don't mind sending to NZ

just off to check if we can get it here before I cat you....no, can't get it