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I'm at the end of my tether with ds2 not sleeping. I desperately need help before I do something terrible.

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Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:21

I really, really need some help and advice from people who know where I am at the moment because I can't take any more.

I'm struggling to put into words just how desperate I am but I'm at the point that I am getting so frustrated, shattered and angry with him that I've been on the brink of shaking him and it's taken a huge effort to put him in his cot and walk away.

Ds2 is 14mo and has never been a good sleeper. If he wakes up once in the night that's a fantastic night but they are few and far between.

The pattern he's in at the moment, which has been going on since christmas, is that he goes to bed at 6 - 6:30pm then wakes somewhere between 10pm and 11pm. Then he's up and down, settling for a few minutes, then waking and crying until I resettle him, sleeping for a few minutes, waking, etc, etc for at least 2 hours, often up to 3 and a half hours.

DH has been working away during the week since last May so I've been dealing with ds2 by myself which now means he will not settle for dh at all. If dh goes to him he screams, kicks, scratches, flings himself out of his arms for anything up to 2 hours when he exhausts himself and falls asleep. If I go in he will calm instantly.

It's causing rows between dh and I because dh feels awful that his own baby rejects him and he can't give me any kind of break at the weekend. I'm resentful that it's all down to me and I find it incredibly stressful to lie in bed and listen to ds2 screaming the house down, even though dh is there.

We have tried every sleep training method going but none of them have made a significant difference.

No Cry Sleep Solution helped him to fall asleep when he first goes to bed without being fed or cuddled to sleep but made no difference to night wakings.

Controlled Comforting (letting him cry, going in, comforting him in the cot until he was calm then going out, every 5 mins) was a disaster. It took 2 hours the first night then the second night he wouldn't even go near his cot. I ended up cuddling him to sleep but he would wake up and scream as soon as I put him in the cot.

Gradual Retreat took over 2 weeks and meant he would go in his cot but still needed me to go into him when he woke in the night.

Medised makes no difference, he still wakes up 3 hours later.

We used to co sleep but he won't settle in with me anymore. He fusses and climbs all over me for hours.

We went to stay with my parents a couple of weeks ago and they had him in their room for the second week we were there. That made no difference either. He still woke, still fussed for ages before settling properly, still needed a cuddle before he'd go back down in his cot.

I've spent more nights than i care to remember sleeping on the floor next to his cot but he still needs picking up and cuddling before he'll go back to slep when he wakes. It's not enough just to know I'm there. It's the same when his cot's in our room.

It doesn't matter whether he has 30 mins or 2 hours nap in the day, he still does the same at night.

He'll only sleep for 30 mins in the car or buggy, even on a long motorway journey and wakes the second the engine turns off or the buggy stops moving.

I just don't know what to do now. He's losing upwards of 2 or 3 hours sleep at night. He's exhausted and needs to go back to bed within a couple of hours of getting up, he's whingy and clingy for a lot of the day and I can't cope.

So many of my memories of his ife so far involve me sitting on the floor of his bedroom, in tears and begging him to go to sleep. Or being so angry that he won't sleep and picking him up out of his cot too roughly. Or screaming and swearing at him to go to sleep.

It's horrible. I hate it. I hate the person I become. I hate the way the lack of sleep affects everything. But I don't know what to do next. I need help but I have no idea where to turn.

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3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 11:15

I have to go now, but please - get yourself to the GP asap and ask for a referral. Try and get hold of the book I mentioned - try amazon - It is a very small book and you can read it in an hour. It really helped me with DS1.

I will check back later.

It will get better.

Olihan · 23/03/2008 11:16

Sorry, posted a bit soon there. I also left him with the PILs for one night a while ago. He went to bed without a bf and eventually settled for MIL in the night after his usual awake spell.

If I'm there he has a feed but if I'm not he's not bothered, iyswim.

He will settle in his cot from awake when he first goes to bed, it's just the middle of the night waking that he can't seem to do it. Don't know why.

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Indith · 23/03/2008 11:17

We had similar with CC. Though I made dp do it as I just couldn't but after the move ds was a nightmare, went to bed fine as had always done but waking 5 times a night, wouldn't co sleep, wouldn't feed to sleep anymore, just cried and cried in my arms. Comfort in his cot just didn't work but CC did. My feelings on the matter were that he was crying in my arms anyway so why not try. Dp had to do it though as I would get too upset at his crying and I think he could sense that when I went in. He would go in and say "Time for sleep now ds" and leave again.

Feel like a bit of a fraud since ds does now sleep but I don't think I would have cracked down on it and sorted it that early had he still fed to sleep, I was at the point you are now, shouting at him, trying to rein the shouting in and murmering "go to sleep, shut the f*ck up" in a sing song voice etc

Olihan · 23/03/2008 11:19

Thank you so much, 3lf. I'll go to the GP on Tues and in the meantime I've got a few things to help .

TAF, hadn't thought about ear plugs (duh), will add them to the list! Thanks for your help too.

I'm going to give ds1 and dd a bit of attention now but will check back later.

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Olihan · 23/03/2008 11:23

Oh god, Indith, yes, I do that. Then it gets to the 'For FFS, wil you just f'ing go to f'ing sleep and stop f'ing moaning', in a barey suppressed screech.

DH is off work for the next fortnight so I'll have a bit of back up with whatever we decide to do.

Now go and do some studying, Mrs, and stop procrasinating .

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catchingzeds · 23/03/2008 11:32

I remember all you describe well, my DS was horrendous at night too. Although I had my DP here and we only have one child I think you've done amazingly well.

Hate to say it but my DS slept through once I had stopped breastfeeding at 12/13 months. I had to start meds which I couldn't take whilst breastfeeding and within 2 weeks he was sleeping through the night. Previous to that he was waking 3-10 times a night every night.
I was very upset at the time to have to stop feeding so abruptly but it turned out to be a blessing. I was a zombie and couldn't think straight or logically, to have the decision taken out of my hands was the best thing all round.
My DS started to let my DP settle him at night and I got my freedom back! Also once my DS started sleeping through the night he fell in to a great nap routine too.

I hope your GP is helpful xx

catchingzeds · 23/03/2008 11:34

Just read your DH is home for a couple of weeks so it sounds like a great time to draw up a plan of action

conniedescending · 23/03/2008 11:36

I would put him in a toddler bed and do a return to bed technique everytime he gets up and out of bed. Do it when your DH is available to support you and take it in shifts through the night. Do not cuddle, speak, get angry etc and just keep putting him back to bed.

Whatever you decide to do though you need to be consistent for as long as it takes - sounds like he is hugely overtired, cannot self soothe and all the different things you've tried have confused/ unsettled him about what happens when/ if he wakes.

I'd also do bath/ milk/ bed routine with aim of him being in bed by 7pm. Then pick a time he needs to nap in the day and stick to that time rigidly while you get his sleeping back on track.

magnolia74 · 23/03/2008 11:54

Oli, I don't have any anwers as ds1 is exactly the same

Gp referred us to a pediartrician who deals with sleep issues, we go for the first time on Tuesday.
I am hoping she is a miracle worker.

Indith · 23/03/2008 19:39

I'll have you know I have written almost an entire essay today Oli! Mainly because I went downstairs away form the computer and ds decided to have the hugest nap in existance

Hope things improve and good luck with the GP. You too Mags

funkadelic · 23/03/2008 19:57

Have only read op, sounds exactly like Ds2. Sounds like your his 'comfort' to go back to sleep, we did controlled crying, it took 2 nights of torture, opening door saying 'night nights now' and shutting door, he is now 18months and sleeps 7pm to 7am no bother ever since (did it around 14/15 months), even asks to go to bed, I believe it was what it took to self comfort himself back to sleep, not for everyone I understand, good luck!

Olihan · 23/03/2008 20:51

Thanks to everyone for the sound advice. I feel a lot less desperate tonight.

We have a plan! I'm going to sleep at PILs tonight and tomorrow while dh does CC. If it's not getting any better by Tuesday night then we'll be off to the docs to check out some of the suggestions here.

I'm also going to keep a food diary to see if there's any obvious triggers for his excema.

Thanks again!

Mags, please will you let me know what the paed suggests on Tues? I'd be interested to see how the professionals tackle it.

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Jojay · 23/03/2008 21:14

Another vote here for controlled crying rather than controlled comforting.

My ds was a good sleeper as a baby but decided he didn't want his dummy any more at 11 months, and had to learn how to settle without it. ( to clarify, we didn't take it away from him, but he refused to take the dummy, or bottles, any more)

It was a shock for me when he cried for an hour or so every night as he'd always been so good, so I would sit in his room with him, sing to him, pace around with him on my shoulder, hold his hand in the cot etc etc but nothing seemed to do any good, he just screamed until he passed out exhausted. Daytime naps had become a disaster too - even the childminder said he was like a different child. Luckily for me once he was asleep he slept through, but it was the initial going off to sleep that had gone from being really good, to a nightmare.

Anyway, one night after this had gone on of a month or so, DH said to me
'for God's sake, put him in the cot and come and eat your supper. If he's still crying by the time you've finished, go back.'

So I sat there, my tears dripping into my supper as I listened to him howl, when after 10 mins or so it all magically went quiet.

He slept all night, and we have literally never had a problem since.

Now I know that this situation is very different to yours, and I'm certainly not an advocate of leaving them to cry for hours, but what I'm trying to say, is that my being in there with him was doing him no favours, it just prolonged the agony. Once I left him to figure it out himself, life was much better for all of us.

I really hope controlled crying works for you - but be prepared to give it a good week or so if necessary.

Best of luck

3littlefrogs · 24/03/2008 12:03

I have just looked on amazon and the book I mentioned is available for about 3.50.

magnolia74 · 25/03/2008 12:29

Oli I saw the Paediatrician today.......Basically either carry on as we are, Controlled crying which can take 1-2 weeks or medication to get him into a sleep pattern........Routine is the most important as is the no fussing with them at night, no talking ect... Paed suggested music but would still have to get up to them to put it on in the night

Everything we know already to be honest

Olihan · 25/03/2008 19:23

So not a miracle worker then, Mags? I think there's no magic answer is there?

CC is working with ds2 so far. In 2 nights he's gone from waking mid evening and fussing on and off, every 10 mins or so, for up to 4 hours, to one wake up at 2am, 10 mins of crying then sleeping to 6am. Dh decided he was still tired at 6am this morning and left him in bed, 5 mins of crying and he slept until 7:30.

I'm only coping with it because I'm staying at PILs. I couldn't be in the house listening to it. Part of me still feels horribly guilty at doing it to him but I know that I couldn't carry on much longer with the way he was. It's also getting results already, whch makes it more bearable.

Hope you can find some way through too, it's so bloody hard, isn't it?

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3littlefrogs · 25/03/2008 19:54

Stick with it Olihan. you are obviously on the right track. He will be so much happier when he is getting enough sleep.

Olihan · 25/03/2008 20:03

That's what I'm hanging on to, 3lf. I'm still going to check out all the other things you mentioned as I think it's probably all linked - it can't hurt anyway.

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Indith · 25/03/2008 20:22

Sounds great Oli Really hope things continue down that road!

Shame about the lack of magic wand waving Mags Good luck and much courage.

Jojay · 26/03/2008 19:40

WEll done to oliham's hubbie! Sounds like he's doing great.

how was last night?

And any joy Magnolia?

Olihan · 26/03/2008 22:10

He slept through . A couple of fusses, apparently but settled himself and slept 6:15 to 6:15.

I'm in shock that it's worked so quickly and easily, tbh. DH says he hasn't cried for more than 25 mins in a stretch any night which makes me feel better and he's so much happier during the day too.

We'll see what tonight brings. I'm being brave and staying at home .

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3littlefrogs · 26/03/2008 23:21

Be strong. Remember - united front, consistancy etc.

Olihan · 27/03/2008 07:44

Well, it's 7:45 and he's been asleep since 6pm last night.

One murmer around midnight but settled himself.

I think it may actually have worked .

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catchingzeds · 27/03/2008 10:39

WOW!!! Soooo pleased for you, fab, fab news. It makes such a difference doesn't it?

Indith · 27/03/2008 11:04

Wow Oli! I am so pleased for you, really hope it continues.