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I'm at the end of my tether with ds2 not sleeping. I desperately need help before I do something terrible.

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Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:21

I really, really need some help and advice from people who know where I am at the moment because I can't take any more.

I'm struggling to put into words just how desperate I am but I'm at the point that I am getting so frustrated, shattered and angry with him that I've been on the brink of shaking him and it's taken a huge effort to put him in his cot and walk away.

Ds2 is 14mo and has never been a good sleeper. If he wakes up once in the night that's a fantastic night but they are few and far between.

The pattern he's in at the moment, which has been going on since christmas, is that he goes to bed at 6 - 6:30pm then wakes somewhere between 10pm and 11pm. Then he's up and down, settling for a few minutes, then waking and crying until I resettle him, sleeping for a few minutes, waking, etc, etc for at least 2 hours, often up to 3 and a half hours.

DH has been working away during the week since last May so I've been dealing with ds2 by myself which now means he will not settle for dh at all. If dh goes to him he screams, kicks, scratches, flings himself out of his arms for anything up to 2 hours when he exhausts himself and falls asleep. If I go in he will calm instantly.

It's causing rows between dh and I because dh feels awful that his own baby rejects him and he can't give me any kind of break at the weekend. I'm resentful that it's all down to me and I find it incredibly stressful to lie in bed and listen to ds2 screaming the house down, even though dh is there.

We have tried every sleep training method going but none of them have made a significant difference.

No Cry Sleep Solution helped him to fall asleep when he first goes to bed without being fed or cuddled to sleep but made no difference to night wakings.

Controlled Comforting (letting him cry, going in, comforting him in the cot until he was calm then going out, every 5 mins) was a disaster. It took 2 hours the first night then the second night he wouldn't even go near his cot. I ended up cuddling him to sleep but he would wake up and scream as soon as I put him in the cot.

Gradual Retreat took over 2 weeks and meant he would go in his cot but still needed me to go into him when he woke in the night.

Medised makes no difference, he still wakes up 3 hours later.

We used to co sleep but he won't settle in with me anymore. He fusses and climbs all over me for hours.

We went to stay with my parents a couple of weeks ago and they had him in their room for the second week we were there. That made no difference either. He still woke, still fussed for ages before settling properly, still needed a cuddle before he'd go back down in his cot.

I've spent more nights than i care to remember sleeping on the floor next to his cot but he still needs picking up and cuddling before he'll go back to slep when he wakes. It's not enough just to know I'm there. It's the same when his cot's in our room.

It doesn't matter whether he has 30 mins or 2 hours nap in the day, he still does the same at night.

He'll only sleep for 30 mins in the car or buggy, even on a long motorway journey and wakes the second the engine turns off or the buggy stops moving.

I just don't know what to do now. He's losing upwards of 2 or 3 hours sleep at night. He's exhausted and needs to go back to bed within a couple of hours of getting up, he's whingy and clingy for a lot of the day and I can't cope.

So many of my memories of his ife so far involve me sitting on the floor of his bedroom, in tears and begging him to go to sleep. Or being so angry that he won't sleep and picking him up out of his cot too roughly. Or screaming and swearing at him to go to sleep.

It's horrible. I hate it. I hate the person I become. I hate the way the lack of sleep affects everything. But I don't know what to do next. I need help but I have no idea where to turn.

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Indith · 23/03/2008 10:29

Oh Oli I'm so sorry that sleep is still so bad with you. I hope that someone will come along with suggestions.

3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 10:36

You poor thing I feel so sorry for you. My first ds was like that and it is torture. They do outgrow it, but you need help now.

Your GP must refer you to a sleep clinic. I don't know what is available where you are so will do some googling and get back to you.

2 things come to mind -

Cranial osteopathy
Baby massage

Ds1 absolutely loathed his cot and improved once he went into a bed (at just over 12 months) with a gate across the door of his room.

I removed everything hazardous from his reach and he seemed to feel less trapped.

HTH - i will do some research and come back, but didn't want to leave this unanswered.

You might also consider food intolerance of some sort.

Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:36

Thanks Indith. Just had a week of shockers since we got back last weekend. DH was away last night and ds2 was up from 9:30 until 1:30, then again at 3 - 3:45am, 5:30 - 6am and dd got me up at 6:15.

Then ds2 took an hour and a half to go to sleep for his nap having been a misery for the entire hour and a half he was up. I'm just so fed up with it now.

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3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 10:37

You can use a bed guard, or put the mattress on the floor.

3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 10:40

DS1 also settled better with the radio on very low. He was a very light sleeper and woke up screaming if there was the slightes noise. We had very noisy neighbours and it was awful. The "white noise" from the radio seemed to screen out the outside noises.

He did outgrow it by the time he was about 2.

Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:44

We have got a toddler bed we could try him in. I haven't done it yet because he stands up the second he wakes so I think he'd be in and out of a bed constantly.

I didn't know the GP could refer to a sleep clinic. I wondered about going and getting him checked out so I'll do that on Tuesday. I need to feel that I'm doing something iykwim.

Can they test for allergies in a 14mo? He does have quite a bit of excema, maybe it's linked then.

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3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 10:45

I think from your profile you are in cheshire? There is a childrens clinic in Cheadle (according to google) for cranial osteopathy.

I expect you have read every book going, but the one that really helped me was called "my child wont sleep" by Jo Douglas and Naomi ? Richman - (I will have to look that up too to check the second author. It is a little paperback, but very good).

Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:47

They do sound similar, ds2 is also a ridiculously light sleeper. He just seems to be a very sensitive child in all ways, really. Will try the radio tonight.

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3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 10:48

It is quite possible that the eczema is a contributing factor. Do you keep a food diary in relation to the eczema?

What treatment is he on for the eczema?

Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:49

Yes, I'm in Cheshire. Cheadle's not that far. I haven't read that particular book, will look it up on amazon.

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TheAntiFlounce · 23/03/2008 10:50

In this situation, I would try controlled crying.

Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:53

He has hydrocortisone for his excema and we cover him in doublebase several times a day to stop it drying out.

I can't tell how much the excema affects his sleep. Sometimes he'll obviously be itchy and rubbing his feet on the inside of his bag but it's not every night.

I haven't done a food diary because asthma and excema run in my side of the family so I assumed it was inherited.

Thank you for all your help here, 3littlefrogs, I really do appreciate it.

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TheAntiFlounce · 23/03/2008 10:55

have you tried dropping dairy? A friend of mine has been helped immeasurably

Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:55

TheAntiFlounce, considering controlled comforting took over 2 hours and made him so terrified of his cot that it took 2 weeks to get him happy being in there again, I really do not want to go near CC.

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Indith · 23/03/2008 10:55

Gosh Oli nightmare night!

Re excema actually that has reminded me of ds in his pre sleep days, he has always had some excema with the occasional bad flare up. I didn't really used to do anything about it as it didn't seem to bother him but then when he got quite ill in France and reverted back to co sleeping I noticed that between his thrashings to check I was there he was itching himslef and it was causing him to be more unsettled so more likely to wake.

3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 10:56

The pattern you are describing is just like ds1. Overtiredness and overstimulation.

The overstimulation can be from any stimulus whether it be noise, of any sort, pain, irritation/itching etc.

The worst thing about being sleep deprived is that you haven't got the energy or the objectivity to work it out. Sleep deprivation is torture, and it is a vicious cycle.

Dh used to work away a lot and he wouldn't take any responsibility for any child care because he said DS1 wasn't used to him!!!

It is very difficult.

Remember - your ds will not remember any of this. He will outgrow it. It is ok to put him on a mattress on the floor as long as you put a gate across the door, and take away anything that he could hurt himself on.
DS1 doesn't remember anything before the age of 2.

As long as he is safe from hurting himself it is ok to walk away and shake the teddy, take some deep breaths, whatever helps.

Olihan · 23/03/2008 10:59

He's still bf so the only dairy he really has is yogurt, a bit of milk on cereal and cheese (on toast) occasiionally. He doesn't have milk as a drink. If I cut dairy out of his diet, would I have to cut it out of mine? He didn't develop the excema until after he was weaned so I don't know if it would affect him via me. I don't know anything about food intolerances tbh. DS1 and dd can eat anything so I've never looked into it.

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TheAntiFlounce · 23/03/2008 11:03

Yes, controlled comforting left my ds1 hysterical for hours, he would scream until he vomitted. I think because I was there, he had the expectation of being picked up, and taken downstairs, and when this didn't happen he was confused and angry, and very very tired anyway...

I didn't do controlled crying by the clock anyway, because who knows when a child is distressed but the person who is there?

I did it by the pitch of his cry, and I purposefully didn't respond to his waily, knackered "errrrrrrr, errrrrrrrrrrrrrr, errrrrrrrrr" cry. It didn't take very long, and was infinitly more pleasant for both of us than controlled comforting, which just left him angry.

3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 11:03

Western chechire PCT has a child and adolescent unit offering help with sleep problems. Is that any good for you?

Olihan · 23/03/2008 11:04

Thank you 3lf. I need to hear that. I'm carrying a huge amount of guilt over the state I get into in the middle of the night but like you say, it's too hard to be objective. I like the idea of shaking the teddy, channelling the anger somewhere is definitely a good idea. The trouble is, he gets himself into such a state if I leave the room that it then takes even longer to settle him. So I end up getting more and more frustrated with no place to go.

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3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 11:08

I am going to stick my neck out a bit here and ask if you think the fact that you are still breast feeding might be a factor?

I BF all mine for well over a year BTW so I am being very cautious in suggesting this?

Does he need to be breast fed to get to sleep? You mention that he does not seem to be able to drift off to sleep without some kind of help such as car ride/buggy etc. So it would seem that he needs to "learn" to drift off to sleep himself. A sleep clinic can help there.

sorry - i just keep posting things as i remember them Ds1 is 19 now so it was a while ago.

Olihan · 23/03/2008 11:09

That would be perfect, 3lf. I'm sure that's my PCT.

TAF, that's really interesting about the controlled crying as opposed to controlled comforting. I did comforting as it seemed less brutal but perhaps it is more confusing for him. Definite food for thought.

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Olihan · 23/03/2008 11:12

It's crossed my mind too, 3lf. But when we were away he was in my parents' room, with them, for over a week and didn't see me from when he went to bed to when he got up. He still did his usual tricks for them though, which made me think it's probably not a bf issue.

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3littlefrogs · 23/03/2008 11:12

Remember he can understand a lot more than he can say. So if you are able to quietly and calmly (difficult I know) reassure him without getting too distressed, and try to be consistant, that will help.

Nothing is more frightening for a small child than their carer getting upset, and appearing to be at a loss. I am NOT being critical here, I have been where you are, but I am just explaining it from his POV.

TheAntiFlounce · 23/03/2008 11:15

have you got earplugs? I found with ds2 I needed them to mute the screaming, and I was a lot more objective and(I hate to admit it) kind with my dealings with him when I wore them, because the screaming wound me up so much.