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Waiting it out

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burritofan · 18/09/2019 20:28

Is anyone else following the extremely vague and lazy "wait it out and hope it spontaneously resolves itself, maybe solids/crawling/walking/time/eventual night-weaning/magic/bribery once she can talk or be reasoned with" baby sleep plan?

We're nipple-deep in the four-month regression, which followed fast from the 8-week-jabs endless night poo era, then the 12-week hourly waking growth spurt. Throw early teething,
a late tongue tie division and a crap reaction to 16-week jabs into the mix – all in the same week! Which is when she migrated from Snuzpod to sleeping in my armpit – and you get a shitstorm of night wakings, my solution to which is:

plonk baby (now 21 weeks) in bed with me each night – after first making comatose with boob after rock-solid bedtime routine – and reapply boob as needed. Sometimes sleepily snuggling works in the middle of the night. Sometimes she wakes, babbles, pats around to check I'm there, and resettles. (Rare as a unanimous AIBU? thread, but like sunshine when it happens!)

Sometimes we start the night with a 3-hour chunk, other times 45 minutes. Some nights she wakes up only 4 times, others what feels like 4,000. Very little crying unless more teeth/colds, in which case howling then calpol and boob and a lie-in if she grants it. (I know the advice is to wake at the same time each day but (a) the baby wakes herself at the crack of dawn most days and when she doesn't (b) if she was up for two hours howling because of her teeth, I'm not going to enforce a wake-up for the sake of some Gina Ford nonsense.)

The 45-minute wake-ups are guaranteed if I put her down in her sidecar crib now, or even if leave the room – sometimes she wakes straight away if I try to swap with DP. Even in deep sleep she has a batlike sense for my being in the room. She generally starts the night starfished on the bed; as the night goes on she gets more unsettled and likes my armpit to snuggle into best. Perhaps it's the woolly mammoth furriness?

She's not great at feeding lying down but I'm persevering because I'm lazy. Occasionally I attempt the pull-off thing of putting my finger in her mouth to delatch once she's asleep but I'm too knackered to do it consistently or time it to gradually reduce feeds, I think I'm doing it in a half-hearted "gosh I really should sort this sleep thing". Mostly I do it so I can go to sleep if I'm feeding sitting up. I've no idea how to shhhh-pat; PUPD seems like an awful lot of effort with a heavy baby when I could be lying down, and deeply confusing; gradual chair or whatever makes me want to weep with exhaustion more than the current situation; CC or CIO is neverrrrrrr going to happen. On the other hand, I have wistful recollections of evenings, of my lovely DP, of times when I ate dinner somewhere other than over a snoozing baby's head in the dark...

Basically is anyone else doing what I'm doing to improve their baby's sleep, i.e. not very much at all, and wants to commiserate while we ride it out, slash create bad habits, construct towering Jengas of rods for backs, build sleep crutches, and generally arse it up? Any experienced "totally winged it and it worked out fine" mothers want to share delightful stories of "Oh one day he just pushed the boob away, fell asleep and did 12 hours and it's been a fairytale ever since, I got my bed and my sex life back" lazy parenting magic?

DP & I are softies who plan on an open-door policy of "if the kid can't sleep because of nightmares or growing pains, come on in our bed, they're only little", have fond memories of childhood shenanigans of sleeping on the landing or sneaking down to see what the grown-ups are doing, BUT also have no interest in "giant floor bed co-sleeping til 20" and quite like each other and the idea of the kid in her own room eventually, it would be nice to have some hope.

::rambles on in a sleep-deprived manner while teething DD snores on my shoulder, preps coffee machine for tomorrow, hopes there are other chaotic parents out there doing the absolute least::

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walkwalk · 25/09/2019 22:50

@ritaBx I don't know if this will be a controversial opinion as sids guidelines are very clear that sofas are high risk, but I personally slept on a sofa bed (firm, modern one) with my LO for the first 4 months. I didn't leave her unattended other than to run to the loo etc, and if I did she was either in a snuzpod style sleeping nest thing, or at least well away from the back and sides of the sofa (she could not roll over at this time). I understand the concern is that babies may get trapped or roll into the back or sides and be unable to breathe.

If you are worried about that, I would have thought a sleeping nest would be a reasonable answer, especially if only nipping out to make a quick cuppa. Obviously depends on your circumstances, your baby, your sofa type etc.

Glad you got to put your feet up for a few hours. Best feeling in the world! :)

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Whuut · 26/09/2019 05:02

Just when I think we're getting somewhere, he wakes at 4am for a sing and dance Hmm It seems to be, if I swaddle him, he sleeps the first stretch better as he's not twatting himself in the face but on his 2nd or 3rd wake for a feed he gets frustrated with the swaddle and wants out which then wakes him up. Ugh.

Oh no @walkwalk, that sounds tough. I say stay in the living room! Seriously though, hope it wasn't too much longer.

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bottomflannel · 26/09/2019 07:47

Had a rough night here. Why does he still need to be held for hours at night? And how the fuck do I break the habit? He usually sleeps on his side but now whenever I put him on his side he immediately tries to roll over on to his front and then gets stuck and frustrated (and I couldn’t leave him on his front anyway, even if he were comfortable). Didn’t have this issue with my first - he stayed gloriously immobile until 6 months.

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burritofan · 26/09/2019 08:49

@ritaBx I think if the baby is getting some sleep and you're getting an evening, whatever works! There are no bad habits if everyone's happy. I know of babies who start their night sleep in the pram or sling and are later transferred to bed. I think we sometimes have a weird obsession with how bedtime "should" be.

After the previous night's triumph… our boiler broke so no bedtime bath. I'm blaming that for the fact it took an hour of feeding and singing (DD does the singing, I just read MN and wait for it to turn into grizzling) before she went down last night.

@bottomflannel the holding is so frustrating. I was cuddling DD in her sleep and soothing her back before she woke up. But sometimes she'll wake up anyway, yelling, and settle back… with a cuddle?! But it has to be a lift-off-the-bed cuddle, not a nice lying-down, burrito is still half asleep snuggle. Whhhhhhhyyy.

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ritaBx · 26/09/2019 09:14

Morning, undertanand the sids risk. I didn't leave him and removed all the cushions around him. He's coming up to 13 months now and tried to crawl up on to the sofa and snuggled in and he was asleep in no time.

Put him in his cot when we went to bed but he was up at 1.50am and then again at 3 am and then 5am so still not great....but he did get more if a solid sleep. He wakes twice every night when I put him to bed - 8.30 and again at 9.30 - 10ish and both these were missed as he was on the sofa.

He did start to stir on the sofa but it just took me putting my hand on him and he stayed asleep.

Really thinking about taking the side off his cot and putting it up against my bed so when he starts to stir I'll hopefully recognise it and comfort him without him waking fully

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Whuut · 26/09/2019 11:15

@ritaBx I sometimes manage lay DS on the sofa and ninja roll away and like yours he usually sleeps for way longer. He once did a 2 hour nap on the sofa which is unheard of! I never left the room and kept an eye on him of course. I say, whatever works for you guys, I'd try the cot against your bed and see if it makes a difference. It won't be forever, although it feels like it will right now.

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burritofan · 26/09/2019 11:23

This morning the nap conspiracy gestapo have sent me the fucking postman ringing the bell twice to offer me neighbours' parcels – we have the official Royal Mail "fuck off we're antisocial" sticker asking them not to do that – and the man here to fix the boiler popping in every two seconds to tell me things. ("Your gas hob is working!" "Good that your road is free parking!" "I'll pop my toolbox in the kitchen so I won't be back and forth disturbing you!" Meanwhile I've got DD in the sling, white noise on, frantically rocking and shushing, yet apparently this isn't enough of a hint. I'm about to brain him with the broken bit of the boiler.)

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Whuut · 26/09/2019 11:33

Oh god I feel for you. I remember when he had the Dyson man found to fix the vaccum and he wouldn't stop bloody turning it on and off. 'I'll just show it's working' No that's okay I can hear it and I've just got my baby back to sleep for the gazillionth bloody time!

DM had taken DS for a walk so I'm supposed to be napping. Why can't I turn my brain off?!

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Harrysmummy246 · 26/09/2019 11:44

So after not napping mon/ tue and going to bed beautifully (extra hour plus to myself each evening, so confused), but waking more, DS napped in the car yesterday after I tired him out by not carrying him for dog walk and then we went to IKEA. Bedtime was Looooooooooong (8:45 when I came out) but only one short wake up and I got to go back to my own bed.

So which do I prefer? The never ending bedtime but a less disturbed night or short bedtime and more wakes?

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JohnLapsleyParlabane · 26/09/2019 13:52

I'd always choose a long bedtime/long sleep over the interruptions. If DS does 3 solid hours before midnight then I can cope with the all night mummy buffet from 12 till 6.30 (when DD appears demanding milk too)

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Whuut · 26/09/2019 21:02

Just resettled DS for the 3rd time since putting down to bed Hmm He missed his last nap tho so has been all kinds of moody since about 7.

Can I ask, when is bedtime for your DC and when is last nap?

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bottomflannel · 27/09/2019 02:30

I thought the deal with cosleeping was that it actually enables you to get some sleep. If this isn’t the four-month sleep regression and things are set to get worse, I’m not entirely sure I’m going to remain sane much longer...!

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Whuut · 27/09/2019 05:46

@bottomflannel I'm with you. At this rate I won't notice a bloody sleep regression. Co sleeping makes no difference at the moment. He's been thrashing around ALL night and waking every hour. Although it feels like he hasn't even slept. I've had about 2 hours broken sleep, if that. Wish me luck today, I feel like shit.

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Jent13c · 27/09/2019 05:59

I tried the sleep training thing after rod making guilt. He cried for 2.5 hours until I gave up. He is persistent.
At 17m I weaned him. He woke up 4 times and had a cuddle and water and went straight back to sleep. He has slept through ever since like magic. I will say he much prefers co sleeping to being on his own but I dont really care. He takes himself off to his own double bed at 6.30pm, I get husband and marital bed back then go to sons bed to sleep for the night where he cuddles in all night and looks mighty cute and wakes again around 6.30 am.

Having number 2 in Jan and will absolutely do the same thing. I like having him close and I always know if he is getting a fever in the middle of the night.

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bottomflannel · 27/09/2019 07:21

I don’t think I slept for any length of time between 10.45pm and 2am. Got him to sleep at 6.30pm but he was up and down every half hour or so until 8.30ish when DH held him while I did DS1’s bedtime and tried to get a bit of sleep until 10.30pm. The only time he settled and slept like a rock (for a while two hours at a time) was when I gave in and held him at 2am. I’m so fucking tired.

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burritofan · 27/09/2019 09:28

@JohnLapsleyParlabane Yes, same. Sleep is so much better in a big chunk than pick'n'mix night naps, even if it's a battle to get there.

@Whuut @bottomflannel Haha, agreed on the cosleep. I think the ideal is meant to be you sleep through, perhaps stirring faintly as the baby gently self-latches a few times throughout the night. Reality: DD shouting as I attempt to latch lying down, DD shouting when I pick her up to use the other boob, DD's wriggly little claw hands bopping me in the face while her rabbit legs thump against my thighs...

Last night DP slept in with us as he's working from home today and managed to headbutt the back of my head, talk in his sleep, snore, and add half-awake running commentary on DD's antics. At one point they were both asleep but thrashing while I was crammed in my allotted 2-inch sliver of mattress, grinding my teeth with rage.

I think if sleep is awful pre-regression it's a good thing, you haven't tasted the sweet nectar of sleep and will breeze right through each worse bit. It's all the worse bit!

Whuut Bedtime is around 6.30-7. I'm trying to push it back in advance of the clock changes, so starting bath now at 6.15; next week 6.30 if she can handle it, etc. It's basically been the same for two months, it's just when she's done for the day. Last nap changes all the time though! For a while she needed a nap immediately before the routine to give her the energy to get through it! Lately she does 4/4.30 to 5pm and that sets her up to crash out at 6.45/7

@Jent13c Thank you for hope for the future! This sounds like an ideal set-up.

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JohnLapsleyParlabane · 27/09/2019 09:50

This week we're experimenting with fairly upright buggy naps. DD 6m has a horrible cold and has taken to weaning with a vengeance so his tummy is a bit uncomfortable a lot of the time. I've been actively trying to get at least his last nap in the buggy, somewhere around 4-4.30. When I try a stationary last nap it invariably goes poorly.In the buggy he's managing 45 to 90 mins. And he's staying asleep when I park it!
This (and CBeebies for my 4yo!) is giving me a brief window of silence and caffeine before the crazy of dinner/bedtime.

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AliCanTea · 27/09/2019 13:09

Hello my people.

Here I am, napping with my nearly 8 month old nipple junkie. I haven’t eaten any lunch. She’s now popped off after at least half an hour of lying down feeding but if I dare move the possibility of boob further than 10cm from her face she will sense it and wake up forever.

Nighttimes are a mess. We’re totally winging it. Don’t want to do sleep training.... Am holding out hope that when she crawls she’ll knacker herself out and sleep like a champ

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physicskate · 27/09/2019 13:28

Hi. Jumping on as my dd screams in her cot. This is our second 'nap' of today. She's 6 months. Her first nap of today lasted 7 mins while I rocked her in the bouncer. This latest 'nap' lasted 30 seconds.

I've had a stinking cold all week. So not coping with things all that well.

The crap sleep got crapper about 3 weeks after her 4 month sleep regression. She now wakes about every hour at night. And she's on nursing strike during the day (but will happily be on the boob for an hour or more at night (at a time).

Health visitors were fucking useless. Husband doesn't seem to understand.

Sometimes she self-settles!!!! But not most of the time.

Honestly, I just don't know what else to try. And eating has seemed to make things 10x worse!!!!

Fml.

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burritofan · 27/09/2019 14:12

Health visitors were fucking useless
AMEN.
I've literally just glared one out of my house for suggesting I go cold turkey on night feeds as soon as we start weaning. I hadn't even mentioned she still feeds at night.

Asked how she suggested I get her to sleep without boob. She said: "Offer water." Right. I asked how does that actually make her go back to sleep? And she offered to put me in touch with the children's centre where they have ominous-sounding ~methods.

Welcome, new chaotic people! I think bottom has some matchsticks to prop open your eyes.

@physicskate that sounds insanely hard. Is there reflux or allergies at play? would she nap in a sling?

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physicskate · 27/09/2019 15:24

No reflux or allergies. We think there's some teething going on. Two teeth appeared about two weeks ago. Another looks imminent.

She's generally not too upset during the day, just will. Not. Sleep.

Sometimes just holding her at night works. She slept last night while I held her for three hours. Which meant I didn't sleep. Sometimes we require boob. She would just cry and cry if I didn't give it to her.

I have mahoosive boobs and we can't really do cosleep/ feeding.

I've managed to get her to sleep on the boob now, but know she can't be moved.

Hv was like, aw that s tough. Here's a leaflet!

Mil says I have to stop breastfeeding. But she won't take a bottle and just cries.

I can handle the constant waking/ night feeding/ shit napping, but not while I've got this cold. I feel like I need to take action, but don't even know what I could do that's practicable!!

This week has really been getting me down with it... not coping too well. It's just don't know what to do to make us both happier.

She was never a good napper, even as a newborn. But her night sleep was fairly ok until 3.5 months...

Sling winds her up. Pram has only worked three times. Car works 50/50, but I'm way too tired to drive.

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Whuut · 27/09/2019 18:12

@physicskate that sounds really tough. We've been bouncing on a yoga ball for naps since DS was a few weeks old and as much as I hate it, it gets him to sleep without fail. Keeping him asleep is another thing.. Also it's probably the only exercise I have the energy to do so I guess that's a good thing.

Mil told me today we've picked him up too much and should have listened to her when she told us to put him down when he was first born Hmm

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AliCanTea · 27/09/2019 20:37

@physicskate I’m with you on the boobs. Mine are in danger of enveloping DD’s face like bread dough so I can’t sleep-feed. We do feed lying down but I have to stay awake as she spends the whole time nuzzling closer and me inching back until there’s no bed left. Parenting is so magical 👌

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JohnLapsleyParlabane · 27/09/2019 21:10

Big boobed ladies, I have a suggestion for lying down feeding. It may not work, I'm not gifted in the nork dept myself but I've heard from a friend that upside down feeding can be a game changer. Basically baby's feet are pointing to the head of the bed. I've tried it myself a few times (when it was too hot to feed but too hot not to!) and though weird and not snuggly it's perfectly possible if baby is willing.

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vickkiMommy · 27/09/2019 22:45

I'm in the same boat xxx my 9mo DD is currently asleep on my upright cheats thanks to the cold of the year xxx and I'm dying to nip to the loo xxx I thing babies like the armpit as it has the strongest mummy scent so they know you're still there xxx totally understand the struggle though xxx my DD is now mobile so on top of the bedtime hostage situation she also follows me EVERYWHERE and if I dare to stand for more than 10 seconds she uses my legs to pull herself up to standing xxx

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