SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 5....... God have mercy!

[Tamdin]

Can't believe we're onto another new thread already!

naturopath (i can spell honest)

EP, should be fine, i use it sometimes

Echinacea and Breastfeeding

There are swimming lessons on Thursdays in Stokey, do you work on Thursdays?

at pg .... are you sure???

Morning ladies. Hope you all had restful nights. Ours was no better or worse than usual, seems like waking every hour or so is now the norm. Calpol didn't help settle him so I guess it is just the eczema. But once he was in bed with me at least it wasn't too disruptive.

Off to pick carpet and paint for new house today!

Yes, I am sure! Although three people I know from the OCt 06 antenatal group on here are now pg

Meg: how exciting! When do you move in?

Amber: unfortunately Weds is my only day off and no swimming classes then. Tried to persuade DH to take him but he wasn't keen, being allergic to communal activities.

Well, last night not great but not bad, pretty quiet evening, into bed with us at about 2am because he would not settle in the cot, woke at 6 for customary long feed with maybe one waking in between so I feel like I've had some rest .

The thing that sometimes depresses me is that he is now 10 months old - I never thought he would still be waking every couple of hours at this age . Sometimes seems as if we have seen no real improvements at all. Once hols are over, may try going back to NCSS and giving it a good try to see if it works...

morning all!!
meg at the exchange woo hoo!!!!

ibs hope youre feeling brighter this a.m. dont worry, i've been swearing like a navvy at dd this a.m (crap night last night with many wakings ) yey for your improved nap situation yesterday!!

EP then at your pg status!!!!!

amber, i still cant quite believe it myself what other pieces of my furniture does fantastic things behind my back??

meg for your night my love, hope te carpet and paint shopping cheers you up

as i said, crap night, when will it bloody end? have escaped to work for the morning and will manage to squash in a massage from a kind colleague later so not all bad. catch you all later

for your night too Ep, but glad for the good bit. i know exactly how you feel this a.m [empathic/sympathetic emoticon] dd is 1 on the 27th and i cant see any consistent improvements

morning Tibs ep and meg.

for your crap nights. Totally sympathise with the feeling of 'oh my god i never thought dd/ds would still not be sleeping at this age'

funnily enough dh and i were talking about it last night saying we can't even remember the 2 hour wakings anymore. it's true time is a great healer. Have no words of wisdom as i'm still here! but ds is definitley getting better on his own and i do believe age has alot to do with it. Go with the flow has been our only main technique and the only one that has ever lasted!

Good night for us last night.
bed at 7.30 woke at 4 (only had 2 oz milk ), woke at 7.30 for the day. Also he slept like a stone in our bed. no wriggling etc so feel well rested today. I've probabaly jinxed myself now (see blog!) but think we're finally getting somewhere with cutting out the milk at night. will work on co-sleeping when we move

am really pleased for you tam if a little as you know, i've been going with the flow, but some days, i just feel i should be doing something have considered introducing bottles at night as dd was on my boob last night 3 times and its getting painful (8 teeth now) she wasnt even feeding really, but wouldnt settle with cuddles
anyone have any ideas how to wean a boob crazy minx off nighttime munchies???

for your good night tam. my dh told friends recently that in the worst stages, ds woke up 4 times a night! WHAT he sure does have selective memory!!! 4 times a night would have been bliss. what about the nights we took shifts holding him all night? the nights he woke up every hour? hmmmm

tibs, i've been toying with the idea of night weaning LO. i'm pretyt sure he doesn't need it, but he just goes back to sleep sooo much easier if i do feed him.
i was thinking about it today, and thinking okay, i'll commit to doing it when he is 9 months (i think i pre;viously committed to doing it at 6 months, but oh well). and then i thought, we are doing a trip to hong kong and aus in december and i'm sure i'll need to feed him in the night as he'll be so jetlagged he won't really be in tune with night and day for a bit. and then the night weaning will be all stuffed up, so what's the point of putting in all that effort at 9 monhts just to undo it 2 months later iyswim. so, i guess now i'm committing to do it at about 13 months

girls don't be as it'll all go tits up again in a few weeks i'm sure! Dh has been my saviour in the last year and half as he has never wavered from the belief that every child like every adult has a different sleeping pattern and that ds would come round in his own time. Unless of course you do swcbn but i want my son to know i'll be there for him at night as well as during the day so that was never an option.

Amber i'm with you in the planning ahead re feeding and trip to oz. I am constantly delaying the co-sleeping due to hols/moving house blah blah because deep down it suits us and as long as we're all sleeping i don't really care where it happens. Not for everyone but it works for us atm.

Tibs at 1 will you put dd onto cow's milk?

Tam, if co-sleeping is working for you, i so wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy it while it lasts!!

i'm getting my hair cut tomorrow. it's been what ... 16 months since last cut

EP sorry for your night but glad you feel rested. Two people at my NCT group (with babies younger than mine) are already talking about trying for no2... mind you, both theirs are good sleepers! I think DS may be an only child for a while yet...

Tibs for yours too. I have no idea when or how I'll night-wean DS, seems wrong to take away any source of comfort while his skin is still bad (hence continued use of dummy too). Last night I woke at some point and he had obviously 'helped himself' to my boob and was sucking away without me having done anything! If only he can learn to do that without waking me at all, we'll all be happy...

Tam you give me hope that LO's sleep will improve over time without me having to get tough...

Amber of your trip abroad, how long are you going for?

We got stuck in traffic on the way back from Allied Carpets and LO fell asleep in his car seat when he was supposed to be home for his lunchtime nap... but managed to resettle in cot when we got home (which is a first) and he's still there (for now). We are moving in 12 days so a million things to do!

Thanks amber

Meg glad ds still settled in cot for you when you got back. he'll hopefully get a better/longer sleep and give you some peace!
12 days yikes!

Meg, LOL at ds going for the self service option!
you must be so busy withe the move coming up. hope all goes smoothly for you.
we're going away for a month in december. looking forward to getting some real sunshine in the midst of london winter.

meg - hope the move goes well for you, 12 days time yey for the move from car to cot, lo must have been in a deep sleep

amber - your break sounds lovely i quite agree re. the night weaning, no point starting something when you know you've got a trip coming up. best wait til you return. am only considering it myself cos dd nearly 12months. 17 days and my baby is 1 enjoy your pampering at the hairdressers

tam, i guess so re. the cows milk dd has it in cereal and stuff so i guess shes ok with it. i'm lucky as well in that dp is quite content for the co sleeping situation to continue, as i am now we've gained an extra couple of feet in bedspace just need to get the little piranha off my nips

i came back from work, was getting changed into my swimming cossie as i was taking dd to the local pool....as soon as she saw my boobs, she was at 'em!!!!

tam, did you mean was i giving up bfing?? duhh, sorry,am feeling a bit dim today. want to carry on bfing, at least once a day, just the night feeding is getting hard, bacause of the length of time shes suckling for

ooh, been out and so many posts, can't catch up with y'all but am think about ya nonethless.

Meg, you sound exactly like I did when DD was that age. Really if you look back on my old posts you'd think we were living in a parallel universe. Even tho she still wakes it's defo better.

great stuff Tam.

Tibs, no advice I'm affraid as my DD wasn't so much of a boob monster. I bet there are loads that have done it tho if you wanted to start a seperate thread you might get some more advice. I didn't put DD onto formula until I was satisfied the nights were finished because the thought of having to get up

Amber, we night weaned at about 8 months (i think it's hard to remember) I think with BLW they don't really start eating a great deal until 8 / 9 months so I felt happier knowing she was getting what she needed and I can see your point, travel is going to be so much easier if still bf'ing

Tibs, my baby will be one on 7th Sept and I'm and . Where did the time go? Where did my baby go. Got sad the other day when someone said to her DD 'ohh a baby, no shes a toddler' the other day. Not that she toddles anywhere.

We've had a lovely day catching up with old work colleagues and having a picnic. DD was good and even slept for 1.15hr in her buggy at lunch. I was dreading it because we generally do naps at home these days but she was really tired and just conked out. She enjoyed the train journey and it was nice to be out. I also went for my first proper girly night last night and DH babysat all night. Didn't get a lot of sleep but it was really nice to get out. I feel quite normal today.

thanks ginger and yey for your night out, glad you had a good time my love well done dd for the 90 min nap
toddler.... i know not making me broody tho

ginger, i think a night out does wonders. even if it eats into your sleep is soooo worth it.

Off-topic but v tonight about Tony Wilson's death... a big hero of mine.

quick one before bed. yes tibs meant were you planning to give up bf but didn't word it very well!

ginger for your night out it's amazing how quickly you feel part of it again.

Meg very sad about T w. considering hacienda was one of 1st clubs i went to in mcr 12 years ago
i know how important he is to mancunians and feel on their behalf

night all. hope some good nights out there x

first up then?
guess what?......dd slept through!!!!! was woken, sadly, by poor dp at 5.35am who had to be in work for 6am so lo just gone for her 1st nap of the day ~(am anticipating more!) i think i may join her

hope there were some similarly good nights out there

btw, sorry to keep banging on about it, but the bedside cot thing is a revelation popped dd in to her bed, lay down on my bed beside her, we pulled faces at each other for a while ..next thing i knew, she was asleep

catch you all later