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Am I doing this all wrong?

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burritofan · 02/07/2019 18:11

Me and DD had a rough start and the early weeks are a blur, no chance of being one of those "had a routine first day back from the hospital" people; the goal was we all got some sleep – and still is. So I feel like I've sleepwalked into bad habits.

She's now 10 weeks and what I thought was a phase at 7 weeks is just getting worse: catnaps. Worse still, I bounce her or feed her to sleep for all of them because I'm knackered. But then she wakes after 20 minutes, though I can sometimes resettle and resettle if she's in the sling (sometimes not), but I'm bouncing 7 times a day or more. She hates the pram. She's exhausted and overtired and by bedtime (she doesn't conk out til 8-9pm) she's a screaming mess, in between tiny tiny catnaps and feeds, so how do I even go about starting a bedtime routine and undoing the bouncing? Or is this totally normal?

I don't have a nap routine and daren't even attempt crib naps because the overtiredness is so hard to undo if a nap fails. Should I be doing dark room/swaddle/white noise/dummy, pop her in the basket and wait for this magical thing to happen? I don't think she's that kind of baby.

At bedtime she has a final feed but doesn't necessarily fall asleep; her dad rocks her. We're planning to (try to) gradually change this to swaying, then holding, then holding in crib, etc, in search of the mythical drowsy-but-awake. And attempt to introduce a routine, in-between shouting bouts.

I'll confess some NCT mums have terrified me with dire warnings of the four-month sleep regression and the rod for my own back that I've not taught her to self settle yet... please tell me self settling is a developmental thing and she'll get there in the end even if it's at 2 or 3, that I won't die from sleep deprivation (I'll just feel like it), that it's all worth it, that she's not totally damaged by my cocking up her sleep, that every other mother of a newborn is frantically bouncing them all day, that screaming baby is normal and it's just the hormones that make it go right through me. (It's not colic, she doesn't scream on end.) Does it get better when they need fewer daytime sleeps?

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Pinymama · 01/10/2019 22:10

Hey @burritofan
Hope you’re doing ok?! Is dd sleeping any better? I’ve just come across this thread when searching reviews for just chill mama as I am having trouble with my ds!!

I felt the need to reply as I’m a mother of 4. My first dd was a great sleeper however we did “make a rod for our own back” and coslept until she was 18months. We got her a big girls bed and did her room up with lots of peppa pig stuff and she loved it and slept soundly after a few nights! My second dd however slept well for the first 6 months (usual newborn feeds etc) but then he’ll broke loose until she was around 13 months, she would wake around midnight and not go back to sleep for hours!! Luckily she just grew out of it!! I then had my first ds and wow he slept 6pm-7.30am from 8 weeks til present (he’s now 22 months) he’s always just loved his sleep and I really thought wow I’ve cracked this! He just slotted straight into my dds routine no problems. I fell pregnant with with my 4th baby quite soon after and he’s now 10months and is an awful sleeper! He wakes around 3 times a night for a bottle and we are both knackered!! I feel like he’s never going to sleep through! I really thought he’d slot into routine like my other ds but I guess that some babies like their sleep and some just don’t I have tried everything from sleep routines m, baby massage, nap time routines, different nutritional routines etc and he still wakes at the same time every night!!

You’re not alone and the nct mums may have a ‘perfect sleeper’ but like me their next child might be the devil at night!!

I hope you dd is letting you get some more sleep!!

Also has anybody on here used the just chill mama sleep course? I’m thinking about purchasing her next one but unsure if it’s worth it or not?!

Thanks x

burritofan · 02/10/2019 08:16

@Pinymama Hi! I just read back through my OP. Man, those were tough weeks. I was genuinely bouncing her on my shoulder 7-8 times a day for 20-minute naps. She screamed the house down every evening.

At 14.5 weeks she stopped screaming, like a switch was flicked, and starting wanting to go to bed at 6/7pm ish. Her naps lengthened to 30-45 minutes; and now at 23 weeks she's starting to do the occasional 1-1.5 hour nap (no guarantees, though).

We're deep in the 4-month regression (still); a good night is 5-6 wake-ups. I don't have an evening because she wakes up and screams if I leave the room. But!! I feel much happier for just embracing it. Cosleeping, feeding to sleep, feeding to sleep on every wake up, sling naps, etc. She's just started doing pram naps and I think it's because she trusted me after all the bouncing!

I'm now firmly in the "shit sleeper but she'll figure it out eventually, in the meantime, survival camp". And I unfollowed Just Chill Mama on Instagram because all the sleep chat was making me feel worse. I don't have the energy to implement suggestions and I genuinely don't think my daughter's sleep will improve with anything but time. And she'll get out of my bed… eventually, right?!

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PopcornAndWine · 02/10/2019 08:39

Glad others can't seem to find this mythical 'drowsy but awake' state - like, is that actually a thing? Tempted to fire Lucy Wolfe's book into the River Liffey tbh...

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moonriver32 · 24/11/2020 10:04

@burritofan I've come across your post on one of my frantic Mumsnet searches and could have written your original post almost word for word. At my wits end with my 9 week old non sleeper...

If you're still here, how are you getting on over a year later? Did things sort themselves out going with the flow or did you start to implement anything?

Thank you!

burritofan · 27/11/2020 09:47

Hi @moonriver32! Congratulations on your baby. Nine weeks is teeny tiny, still in newborn “where did my nice warm, cosy, dark, soothing-noisy womb go? Wah!” territory. You’ve got about 8 million developments and regressions and teeth and sleep changes to go – some good, lots bad (sorry!)

Somewhere in the sleep threads I have a mammoth thread called “Waiting it out”, no longer active but where you’ll find a bunch of us who took the same chaotic go-with-the-flow approach; everyone survived and everyone slept... eventually! Highly recommend a support group thread if you go with the flow.

DD slept through for the first time, on my birthday, at 17 months. Nothing I did; she was still breastfed at night, still put to sleep then gingerly transferred to the cot, she’d had terrible naps that day – she just decided to do it. Her sleep has improved leaps and bounds since (and it was honestly a lot better from about 11 months onwards).

Interventions: We put her in her own room aged one because we were disturbing her, but she’d usually be in with us from midnight on a bad night, 4am on a good night. Her dad did all evening wake-ups from 9 months, and all naps too – shared parental leave – and I think that did help in two ways; she got used to different ways of going to sleep, like cuddles, rather than milk; plus it helped me because I could have an early night or a huge chunk of sleep while he was in charge of the monitor. We gently night weaned at 18 months – she grizzled but didn’t scream or cry, and seemed ready.

Now, each week we get a mixed grab bag of maybe 2 sleep-throughs, 2 only-one-wake-up, 2 kinda-crappy-but-survivable nights, and 1 wild-card “who is this terrible gremlin baby?!” night.

It does get better! You don’t have to do anything but survive if you don’t have the heart, energy or strength to! I fed at every wake-up until I couldn’t any more, then DP stepped in and we split it, and after that she didn’t always want a feed, sometimes a cuddle, sometimes a shush. She took every nap in the sling until she was a year old. Sometimes she still needs to nap on me, if she’s poorly or whatever (and I quite like it, she’s not a cuddly or sit-still kid so it’s a treat). Some nights she needs to cosleep basically draped on top of me; mostly she likes to sleep alone in her cot, undisturbed. Some nights she self settles, some nights she’s cuddled, some nights she pisses about for hours on end and takes off her nappy and widdles on the floor and hides behind the curtains and tells her teddy off and I despair. It’s a phase!

Survival: find a group of like-minded parents of similarly sleepless babies and get a chat going. Do not listen to advice from anyone whose child slept, they do not know what it’s like and they speak from their bums. Eat as much cake, Haribo, cake, chocolate and cake as you see fit. Hot showers and fresh air are not as good as sleep but they help. (Help you, not the baby. Some babies are beyond help and you just have to endure.) Cuddle, feed, rock to sleep – anything to get them to sleep! Enlist help. Nap when and if you can. Let the house go to wrack and ruin, dirt is fine, who needs clean clothes anyway? You can clean once that kid sleeps. Take endless selfies of the baby slumbering on you; I promise one day you’ll look back and think: fuck, that was difficult, and I’m glad it’s over, and I love sleeping now, and I miss them being that small, and maybe I want like 10 more. Godspeed!

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