Sleep is for the Weak! we got too big?!!??!?!!??

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can you believe that?! we got too big?
we should surely get an award from Mumsnet?

thanks all im sorry to be a downer but i really am going spare with lack of sleep

and just to add cj never has formula co sleeps and has a dummy of but i do blw and she is gluten free to coz daddy has coeliacs

we haven't tried formula yet either. Booby: sorry you're feeling bad, but well done on getting to the docs. Hope the ad's improve things. Do you think it's just the sleep problems or are there other things going on?

Tapster: I'm the odd one out in my NCT group as well but I carry on regardless . Would be nice to meet some mums in RL with a)lax attitudes and b)non-sleeping babies!

booby, sorry things are so hard. sleep deprivation can really wreak havoc on top of everything else.

meg, you're not the only one having to breastfeed in the toilets. i have to do it because LO won't concentrate if we're in public. i actually hate having to go out the back in restaurants to do it, and i can't wait until LO can concentrate again. i hope one day you can feel confident to BF in public, i know its a tough thing though. maybe as has been suggested, a shawl or something.

we had a silly night last night, but still nothing compared to what it used to be.

Ginger, LOL at your conversation ender. i used to have this conversation ...

Oh does he sleep well

Yes, he's a pefect angel, he's wonderful ()

I just couldn't be bothered to see the reaction if i told the truth. People are much happier if they think your child is easy peasy.

Amber, I wanted to ask how feeding your LO was going... DS has also decided that it's much more fun to coo at Mum, stare at the ceiling, or look around for Dad than eating. I had to feed him around 10.30 last night which is v early and I suspect due partly to not taking in enough during the day.

Have you got any tips for getting more milk in during the day? I have been feeding every 2-2.5 hours, usually after he wakes up from a nap, but if I try to get too much in he just gets cross and spits it up. Wonder if I should try spacing out feeds so he's more hungry?

Meg are you feeding on demand or to a schedule? I fed on demand and could never get DD to take any more than she wanted. I guess that's the point tho. I always at the theories of feed them up during the day because a) like I say she'd only take what she wanted and b)from my own experience if I over eat at one meal it doesn't mean that I won't want the next does that make sense? See I read that thing by the baby whisperer about how to cut out night feeds by adding a bit extra to the day time etc etc and it seemed to make a lot of sense until I thought about it in reference to myself and realised that I've spent many a Sunday afternoon rolling around thinking oh I'm so full I'll never eat again but come tea time I'm raring to go again. (Perhaps I should take a tip out of that book!)

Meant to finish with... sorry no answers for you as unsuccessful in my own bid!

Ginger I'm feeding on demand, but he usually wants to eat every 2-2.5 hours - he is still eating as frequently but seems to spend much less time on the boob and more pulling away to look around at what else is going on.

Still, he seems to have settled down since last post so fingers crossed for an OK night.

Meg, no answers still. My LO is hopeless at feeding in the day. He arches his back and looks at the ceiling. He won't feed when he wakes up in the morning no matter how hungry he is. He thinks its a crime if I try to feed him. So during the day he only really feeds just before naps (only time he's relaxed enough) and sometimes if he's REALLY hungry, he will allow me to get my boobs out. otherwise he protests a lot

he has a huge feed before he goes to sleep at 7, and then i feed him about 9.30 in his sleep. then another feed around 2, and then i don't feed him until the 7am morning attempt (usually fails) or if he's really cranky, i'll try feeding around 5/6.

anyway, i feel like he doesn't feed enough at all, but he obviously does as he still puts on weight and all that. but its just really frustrating. having to hide out in toilets to try and feed him. and last night i was really tired so tried to bring him into bed to feed and he just wouldn'#t have it. honestly i have to feed him while bouncing up and down on a birthing ball i can't believe that's what i have to do.

sorry for the big rant.

again, no answers. just waiting for this phase to pass by.

oh ps. meg, apparently as LO's get older they get much more efficient at getting milk so take a lot more a lot faster. so maybe your LO is doing what he needs in a lot shorter time. it is annoying though, all this looking around. i just wish they'd keep their mind on the job.

It does make me laugh, if I'm feeding and DH tiptoes into the room, even if he doesn't say anything, DS can somehow tell he's there and starts looking around for him and smiling - very cute but annoying too!

Luckily he will feed lying down though, this is what we end up doing most nights - if he won't settle after waking any time after 5ish, he comes into bed, latches on the boob and we fall asleep for another couple of hours.

Perhaps I'll try feeding him lying down during the day, on the bed - that way it's nice and quiet. Only problem is that he can get a bit windy being fed that way, and he does enough stinky farts as it is!

morning all. have no idea how our night was. definitely mixed but no idea of times etc. know he had 1 bottle at 3 but has been up since 5.30 so am tired today. also very rainy miserable day. hoping to take him to a new 'music with mummy' group but the woman who runs it hasn't phoned me back from yesterday to let me know if there are any places. hate inefficiency!

Tam, maybe there was something in the milk last night because we've been up since 5.30 too. Well, never really settled after about 4 and I'm SHATTERED. Feels like I've done a days work already. That graveyard shift between 3 and 6 really is the hardest if you ask me.

God knows what it'll be like when I go back to work. DH and I are already competatively sleep deprived. "I'm tired", "Well you can't be as tired as me" type nipping. Oh, I know no one said it'd be easy but come on, they never said it'd be this hard either.

Tam, Ginger, I feel your pain... a night of hourly+ wakings for us, he was also wide awake at 5.30 but did manage to get him back to sleep in with us eventually.

I lost count of the number of wakings (I know it was at least 6 before midnight), fed at 8, 10, possibly 12, 2 and 5, settled with dummy x number of other times but not sure if that's causing yet more wakings as he expects it.

Yaaaaawn.....

DS didn;t settle much after 4:30 either - and was up every 1.5 hrs before that. Capped off the morning by hurling himself of the bed after I had got up (stupidly left him there - DH was asleep). Am at work with a coffee feeling fragile.

DS fine btw but we're both a bit shaken.

i know ginger. dh has gone off to work with bags under his eyes. add into the mix toddler 'boundary pushing' behaviour (that makes me feel like someone stole my child and replaced him with the devil!) and you have snap shot of my life atm
so far this morning he has
thrown his breakfast on the floor
turned the tv off at the mains 3 times
climbed up and stood on the kitchen table
hit me in the face twice
screamed at being told no to anything

at least a few months ago i was tired but he was adorable now i'm tired and he's hard to like. feel terrible for saying that. Trying to stay positive as 'the book' says positivity/calm radiates to the child and helps the situation. makes it even harder when it's raining and he can't go out to the park or anything. Think i might just brave the weather and take him for a walk anyway to at least get some fresh air.
sorry am rambling on......

x posted slim and meg. big hugs XXX

5.30am here too. looks like our LOs all got together to plan this ...

Tam, that taste of what's to come makes me shudder. I completely sympathise. Not sure how I'm going to cope with a challenging toddler as have very little patience especially when tired. You are doing an amazing job.

slim, glad your ds is okay, must be scary when stuff like that happens.

ginger, i was convinced when i was pregnant that i would have an 'easy' baby. who was i kidding?

our nights have gone a bit backwards, but still nowhere near where they used to be.

tamdin, this toddler stuff sounds really tough. i hope he grows out of it soon.

meg, love, big hugs, so hard.

arrrgggghhh, now LO is fighting the nap because he won't concentrate enough to eat and relax and then sleep.

Definitely a conspiracy. Or maybe the phases of the moon...

Tam: that must be really hard. It's difficult enough when DS has one of his whingy days. Getting out sounds like a really good idea, despite the rain. I'm always better for a walk, as is DS (though he doesn't have to do any work!)

thanks ginger and amber. am trying os hard to think of it as another phase.
2 of the girls i was in hospital with have had their 2nd baby! and a third has had her 2nd and thinks she migtbe pregnant with 3rd!! (that's a girl 16m, boy 4m and pregnant!!)
I couldn't imagine having another one yet. I must be making it harder than it is

i know slim. Hope you have an ok day at work. your night sounds really tough. Ds fell of our bed a few times too which was so scary as quite high bed and have solid wood floors but these days he's jumping off it. aaaarrrrrgggh!
right moan over. onwards and upwards

yeah, is it really this hard?

DH has been home for a week and it was so easy! now this morning, he has left for work and its already hard. i think sometimes having someone to chat with and laugh with amongst it all makes it a lot easier. sitting here stewing in it all makes it worse...

Amber: can you get out today and think sod the naps? Sometimes necessary (and the sun is still shining here - sorry Tam!).

We have carpet, thank God, and the bed is low. Not looking forward to the climbing and kamikaze phase.