SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

[cakebaby]

Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

Oh dear poor baby hate it when they are poorly, they need mummy even more don't they for reassurance, little feeds when they can catch their breath etc etc never ending isn't it!

How old are your other little ones? I don't know if our "success" (I use the term lightly) is due to a bottle of formula at bedtime I've been inconsistent with this previously but over the last fortnight I've given him one every night & he doesn't get so sleepy whilst feeding from the bottle so I wonder if his association with feeding & mummy & sleep has been reduced at bedtime if that makes any sense?? Plus on the move so maybe just physically more tired! Who knows but I will take what I'm getting for now!!

cake I hope your ds is ok - ooh must have been horrendous. for you too as I bet you are even more knackered - if that is even possible.
We were up every hour too as the sick returned.

Can I just say when I say we I mean me and dd, we never means me and DH as I do everything and I mean everything to do with dd.

How do....grabbing 20 mins recuperation time. Ds had a fever of 40 last night by midnight, inconsolable, couldn't keep calpol down, rang ooh & told to bring him straight in. Dh at work so very difficult all round. Brilliant service, 2 hrs from initial call to back in bed at home & everything in between. Of course, ds happy as Larry with Dr

Back to gp am as temp back up to 40 & now d&v FFS, will this ever end?

The dizzy heights of 1 night waking 2 weeks ago seem like a distant memory.

Hope everyone else OK.

Oh cake that must have been so scary, hoping he is better very very soon.

Aww Cake poor you and your DS! Hope he gets better soon! Get some and (although I guess would be better!)

Sending some more and to everyone else with poorly and non-sleeping babies!

Soup that's an amazing progress!

No changes here - sleep is still crap with no signs of improvement whatsoever. I think his bottom teeth have cut through though - you can't see much but you can feel sharpish edges when rubbing gums - that must be it I assume? Is it just me or is it really hard to tell for sure?? He's still not himself, and I think the top ones that I originally thought would be first are still on the agenda...

Can I join in? I'm currently sitting in the dark in DD's room. Every time I think she's asleep and stand up she sits up. I left her own her own for 30 mins while I did the washing up and tidied up downstairs and she screamed the whole time, hammering on the door. When I got back upstairs she'd soiled her nappy :( She's 18 months and slept pretty well since Christmas but this has been going on for the past month and I'm tearing my hair out. When I tried bringing her into my bed she just wanted to play.

Back to hourly wakings. Why?? Does he know I've started with a cold and am doubly shattered and dreading giving it to him? Or does he know the HV is coming today and wanted to give me something to talk about? Gah!!!

AndHarry welcome. I have no experience of older babies but it sounds rotten, lots of sympathy.

Mirrhi us too. How can he sleep through one night and wake hourly e next? It's exactly easier when he is just sleeping badly as I know what to expect, when he throws in the occasional good night it gets me all excited and then I feel doubly bad when he starts waking again.

Our fun new game is the 4am baby disco where DS is wide awake, laughing and shouting and generally having the best time whilst DH and I put pillows over our heads and try to get back to sleep.

all these crap sleeping older babies scare me....

so we had first wake up at 10 but couldn't get her down again till 12 (cough and snot). I was panicking/despairing as she always goes down well. then 3.30 and 6 so thongs picked up.

mirr hourly wakes are a killer!

cake hope he's a bit better?

cute I think the bottom ones tend to come first. fx that was the reason for crappy sleep...

Artemis are things any better?

cute bottom middle 2 come first in majority of babies, we had both within 24 hrs here and the teething symptoms did tail off a bit then. But picked up again last day or so so I think top middle ones are imminent- gums look swollen too and she wants to comfort feed a lot more.

Has cake been back? Hope all ok with her ds.
3 hr intervals last night untill 4 and then a 5am as well.

that's not too bad then cake? +warped view of good...)

Hello all

cute ds was the same, I couldn't see anything as he wouldn't let me see, short of prising his mouth open! However I could feel sharp edges and a day or so later it was through followed by the other bottom one about 12 hrs later. It was completely bizarre!

Welcome harry sounds difficult, the their another regression around dd's age? God it's never ending isn't it?

sympathies miss and mirrhi sorry if I've missed anyone, can't go back on phone

Thanks for inquiries re ds everyone . He has the must hideous cough, sounds like he's been smoking 100 a day. He's a bit better though, much brighter. He keeps choking whilst coughing so yet again I went to bed with him at 7 and sat up in bed with him all night propped up with pillows. I have it too now and feel bloody rotten. He slept quite well, astonishingly, so did I. Illness is the absolute pits, on top of everything else. Beginning to panic now about coping with lack of sleep/illness when I go back to work.

Hi all

Cakebaby that sounds exhausting, and scary. Illness is the pits. DD's cold is finally subsiding but she also coughs like she's been on the Rothmans and yesterday I woke up with a voice like the bastard child of Vera Duckworth and Barry White. There's a charming mental image for you all

Mirrhi and MissM we're also having totally random nights. Good over the weekend - settled easily and only one or two wakes - then since Monday it's been back to crying at bedtime, up 3 - 4 times during the night and and hour of chatting at 4am. I don't get it. She can self settle, I know she can, so why doesn't she? I am trying to get the morning nap into the cot but again it's very hit and miss. Once or twice she's just rolled over and gone to sleep, but yesterday she cried for half an hour before I packed it in and got her up. There seemed little point in letting her cry for longer than she would normally sleep and half an hour of crying feels like an eternity. I can't leave her but i do everything i can think of bar picking her up, none of it worked. Chickened out of the cot nap this morning and let my mother take her for a walk instead. And yes, she totally saves her worst nights for when I have a long work day ahead. Her worst night in living memory was the one before I had a 90-minute drive to a meeting on one of the shittest stretches of motorway in the country (I had a narrow escape with an HGV on the same road 18 months ago and now motorways give me the fear even when my brain actually works). I have a similar trip on Tuesday, I already know what Monday night is going to be like.

Cakeis similar scenario here with teeth. Bottom two just visible. How am I meant to clean the feckers? she just sucks the toothpaste and tries to play with the brush. Red cheeks and chewing suggest the top ones might not be far behind.

Soup great progress! Hope it continues in that vein. Boo glad things are improving at bedtime. DD is getting very frustrated at her inability to crawl, I'm hoping that when she's mobile she'll tire herself out but imagine she'll just wander round the cot all night instead

Keep I'm twitching at the thought of terrible sleeping older babies too... Harry how did the rest of your night go?

Well, HV came today and basically said 'you can wait it out and hope for a miracle or you can do controlled crying'. She wasn't as blunt as that, but that was the gist. The thought of CC gives me the absolute dread, I was in tears this afternoon just thinking about it tiredness, being full of cold and dealing with stroppy DSSs didn't help though DS is only 4 mo though, I thouht CC wasn't advised til 6mo? Has anyone tried it?
I'm praying for a better night tonight. He's seemed shattered today and went down well at 7.30, has woken once and DP settled him. If he can just go back to doing an occasional 3 hour stint I'd feel much more positive.
Boo and soup that's fab that you've seen some progress, and keep the same thought had crossed my mind about the older babies.!
Artemis I dont blame you for giving in on the morning cot nap, sometimes it just feels like it's a losing battle so what's the point in distressing both of you? The difficulty is identifying the batlles you can maybe win.....
Cakeb your poor LO, and poor you. It must have been scary, glad he's a little better, fingers crossed he keeps improving.
Miss, I know what you mean about the unpredictability of it, at least if there's some consistency you could be more prepared. I suppose at least I know he will wake numerous times in the night, it's just wondering if it'll be one, two or three hourly.
Harry, welcome, sorry to hear things have gone downhill for you. I have no idea what to suggest though I'm afraid.
sorry if I've missed anyone, pisting on tablet so I can only go back so far to check. [Brew] and for all.
xx

Artemis ROAR at love child voice, brain bleach anyone? Don't blame you for sacking the nap, seems like bloody pointless torture to me, but maybe my soft approach has led me to where I am now!

+mirrhi* poor you, but I really wouldn't do cc with such a little one. My HV was equally stuck in the dark ages, gave me all sorts of shit outdated advice about bf. Sorry but can't recall if your LO is waking to feed. My ds woke up to every 45 mins ish, can't quite recall blocked from memory demanded feeds every time. I was advised to cc/CIO/offer water, but he was having a huge growth spurt & gained 3lbs in 5 weeks, he was hungry! He wakes much less now, it WILL settle down. I've read your other thread too and for you....endless patience...

Cakeb yes, he's waking to feed but sometimes it's just for comfort rather than him being hungry so they're the ones we're trying to cut out. He's rubbish at self soothing so wants boob to help him back to sleep. It's knowing when he's hungry and when it's just for comfort though that's tricky . He's managed to go 2 hourly last night which is an improvement at least.

Artemis my sympathies on the motorway drive. Tuesday was over 3 hours each way on the M1 and whilst previously I would have driven that without batting an eyelid now I am terrified something will happen to me and I won't be there for DS. Emotions and logic clearly not helped by lack of sleep.

Slightly better night last night, waking at midnight and 3am, but still not great. We tried a new type of swaddle that lets them have their arms up but it didn't seem to make much difference. I've started reading The Wonder Weeks which makes a lot of sense when it talks about development leaps and impacts on their behaviour and sleeping. DS had a horrific night Wednesday night and then rolled over for the first time yesterday

mirrhi my DS is four months old today, our HV said babies of this age can go through extended periods of poor sleeping but she wouldn't recommend CIO, just go with it and they usually grow out of it. Clearly they don't always but we will deal with that if it happens.

god I can't imagine working at the moment. kudos to those who do.

mirrhi I wouldn't do cc at that age, though some people do. if you have the energy you could try and only feed say every 3 hours. but for me I felt this was more effort than just feeding every time...

Margot losing the swaddle at 4m was really hard for my daughter.

last night it took me an hour to get her down normally that bit's v easy. I was dreading the night but only had 11.30, 2, 3.30, 5.30. and down quickly each time.

keep did she seem to want to lose the swaddle? I can't work out which DS prefers. When I swaddle him he wakes in the early hours struggling to get out of it but if I put him in a gro bag he is even worse.

Had enough of teeth already...last night gah...bed at 7, then 9, 10, 11, 1, 3 and awake till 5! Then up at 6.20.
Back to work in 6 weeks...

Margot she kept wriggling out of it and I was worried. also she could roll. her startle reflex carried on for a bit but she's used to it now so I can no longer blame it for crap sleep!

cakeis argh!!!

Well, the decent sleeping phase lasted 3 nights! Bastard teeth have now kicked in. 2 nights of huge wake ups. First for a feed and then up for bloody 2 hours. Given calpol and teething powders but still screeched for hours, would not be settled with boob. I'm bloody knackered again. Off to Boots today to see if I can get something better for the teeth.

Just to cheer you all up this morning DH let me sleep for 30 minutes whilst he "sorted" DD1 and DD2. All good until he left, I got up and discovered he hadn't bothered to change DD2 and her bloody nappy had exploded leaving a trail of wet nappy insides all over the carpet and masses of the damn stuff down a leg of her babygro. I'm going to kill him.

Welcome Harry, your DD's sleep sounds terrible... Is she doing/trying to do something new developmentally? Let's hope it will pass soon!

Mirrhi CC at 4 months? Your HV needs a bit of basic reading about babies' sleep and sleep training me thinks.

Artemis I've given up on trying to do something about DS's naps a while ago - he only naps for 30-40 mins in a pram 3-4 times a day, which I know is not enough for his age but nothing seems to work to make them longer so I just let them be. Don't have the energy to fight over naps too!

Keep glad you had an ok night.

Cakeis poor you have some and .

Soup hopefully she will get better again once teeth are out? Regarding the leaky nappy - I have managed to miss a massive poo stain on DS's vest when I was changing his at 6am this morning and left him in soiled clothes! (Not trying to justify your OH's "helpfulness" btw)

DS in bed 8.50 last night. Woke up about 3 or 4 times in the first hour, then 10.20, midnight, awake for 40 mins till I gave in and fed him, 2am, 5am, 6.20, up at 7.50

Thanks for all the support and votes for not doing CC at this age, exactly what I wanted to hear! I really can't bear the thought of it. I'll keep hoping for a miracle instead [whistles]

However, on the subject of miracles, DS went to bed at 8pm and hasn't woken yet!!! I've just come up myself and he's even slept through me getting changed etc. Can't remember the last time he's slept this long!