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Can I use the cry it out method on my Breastfeed baby??

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Kayls901 · 18/11/2013 15:11

Really need help!! I bottle fed my eldest son and used the cry it out method at 6 months old, this was only to help him at bedtime as he was sleeping through from 2 months of age. Now my youngest son will be 7 months old soon and has been exclusively breastfed. He is still waking between 3-7 times a night. We are currently co-sleeping as he will latch himself on and after 5 mins may fall back to sleep or he will just scream until I stand and rock him back to sleep. I'm really exhausted from all the sleepless nights and am at the end of my tether. Can I use the crying out method with him? I don't think he needs the feeds at night as he has 3 meals a day including snacks and milk so I honestly think it is just a comfort for him. Would really like my bed back too. Lol.

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Rooners · 19/11/2013 10:43

Sweetheart from what you describe, it sounds EXACTLY like he is teething. This doesn't have to be on the day he gets a tooth - it can build up for a week or several weeks beforehand - the teeth are pushing up through the gums, gradually.

It sounds exactly like my baby - he doesn't want to be put down to lie down, doesn't want to be alone, he is genuinely upset.

I think if you do anything that exacerbates his fear of being left at this point, it will not improve things.
Whereas if you work through it with him, not against him, it will help him feel more secure and that can only ever be a good thing.

You have got the answer - you have found something that works, which is to hold him and sleep at a bit of an upright angle, which you can gradually decrease as he falls asleep.

This is what I do - I hold mine, then settle leaning back on pillows then gradually as he settles into a deeper sleep, I go flatter till I am comfy enough to sleep and often he can sort of roll gradually into his own space next to me on the bed.

Then I can either get up and go to a different bed nearby or I can stay put. (am on my own so no husband rolling about Smile)

It works really well. They DO get clingy when they are in pain. Leaving them to it, even going in every few minutes, isn't going to make them or you feel better. If you work with them through it, they will be happier and settle much better in a few days usually, it never lasts that long, not this badly anyway. You'll find you get good nights and worse nights.

That's Ok - it's normal and they grow out of it nicely when they are ready. I've never ever done CC or CIO and never tried sleep training because what a baby needs is obvious, a lot of the time - they stop crying when you've got it right!

Jiltedjohnsjulie · 19/11/2013 10:44

With the length it does sound like he is genuinely hungry. I'd feed him every 2 hours in the day and offer both breasts at least once during each feed. Hopefully, this will increase his calorie intake in the day and help him sleep at night. My friend had a very tall dd and she had to do this before her dd would sleep. When he does have solids, what kinds of things is he eating?

Glad he doesn't seem to have the tongue tie. If you do want to get him checked, I would go to the bfing group, like la Leche league and not your HV. Its a sad fact that many HCPs don't have the first clue when it comes to bfing and especially tt.

Jiltedjohnsjulie · 19/11/2013 10:46

Agree with rooners too. If he could be teething try a dose of ibruprofen, then if he settles after, you know it was the pain.

Rooners · 19/11/2013 10:47

Btw I would really advise against putting him in a different room at this stage.

It will make him more afraid, he won't be able to sense you nearby - he will probably settle worse - also you will have masses more work getting up to him.

I keep mine as near as possible because I am lazy and it works better. If they know you are right there, they settle. It's so simple.

Kayls901 · 19/11/2013 10:55

Im trying to do baby led weaning to an extent. He has baby porridge and fruit for breakfast. Then I might give him toast and natural yoghurt at lunch or purred baby food. Depending on what we have for tea(if it's suitable for him ie vegetables mash etc) he will have what we have or I will give him baby food. He has baby snacks and breastmilk in-between.

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Kayls901 · 19/11/2013 10:56

I have the teething powders. I'm going to try and give him one of those tonight or would you recommend ibuprofen as better?

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Booboostoo · 19/11/2013 10:59

My DD was in the 97th centile for height and well over the 98th for weight as a baby and now at 2.5 she's still 97th for height but 75th for weight and I think that made a huge difference to her eating/bf habits. She used to bf every 2 hours, night and day, until gradualy replacing some of the meals with solids. Now she can go for 8-9 hours at night with no food, but needs bf and breakfast as soon as she wakes up and then continues with the 2 hourly feeding schedule (she eats very healthily, all fruits, vegetables, meat, fish, etc. but she needs to eat all the time). It may be that he is just hungry.

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Jiltedjohnsjulie · 19/11/2013 11:26

I'd look again at what he is eating and up the protein. Try things for breakfast like ready brek with chopped banans (much cheaper than baby porridge), beans on toast, blueberry pancakes, eggy bread. Lunch could be leftovers, a savoury muffin (easy to freeze). There are some good recipes here and you can just give them what you have, as long as you watch the salt and sugar levels.

Didn't realise he was having 3 meals plus snacks, I would really, really consider cutting back on his solids, most won't have nearly the same amount of calories as your milk and it could be making his waking worse, not better.

Kayls901 · 19/11/2013 11:38

He does have 3 meals a day plus I feed him in-between the meals to so should I do breakfast at 7, Breastfeed at 9 and then Breastfeed at lunch too? Then Breastfeed at 2 then tea?

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Kayls901 · 19/11/2013 11:41

He does have 3 meals a day plus I feed him in-between the meals to so should I do breakfast at 7, Breastfeed at 9 and then Breastfeed at lunch too? Then Breastfeed at 2 then tea?

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MinesAPintOfTea · 19/11/2013 12:38

Breastfeed first thing (in bed!) then breakfast, then late morning bf, then lunch, then afternoon bf, then tea, then evening bf. Possibly with more bfs slotted in elsewhere in the day.

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Lots of babies improve their sleeping on their own and gradually go for longer and longer without waking up. Mine didn't and it sounds like yours isn't one of those either. If we've been feeding them every time they wake up then of course that's what they'll expect forever - why wouldn't they, it's all they know. Change things by cutting out the night feeds and they will adapt and be happy.

Someone up thread said babies always cry for a reason. I realised that DD was crying because she had woken up in the night, really wanted to go back to sleep but didn't know how to do it without breastfeeding. Now she does and she sleeps through. And if she ever does occasionally wake in the night now I know it IS for a reason (teething, thirsty, just woke up and wondered where I am) so I'll go in and shush her back to sleep and it's fine Smile

TheNumberfaker · 19/11/2013 13:31

Perhaps baby is crying because he's overtired and wants to be asleep without making the effort to get himself off to sleep. helping him to self settle is a very important thing to do. Some babies can do it all by themselves, others need more help.
Good luck and don't worry about CC or CIO. I've used both otherwise I'd have had a breakdown.

Jiltedjohnsjulie · 19/11/2013 14:09

Could you do something like this:

Bf 7am in bed
Breakfast at 8 am
Bf at 9am
Bf 11am
Lunch at 12 followed by a bf
Bf on waking
Bf at 4pm
Tea at 5pm followed by a bf
Bf at 7pm

It's going to take a bit of getting used to, and is only an ideal, but think its going to help you ram those calories into him during daylight hours. If you can, get him outside at least once each day as the sunlight can help them to sleep at night.

If you do these things whilst working on his night wakings, I'm sure you'll see some results soon Smile

Kayls901 · 19/11/2013 14:46

I will try that routine thanks. Will I have enough milk for all that feeding though? Sorry if that's a daft question.

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Jiltedjohnsjulie · 19/11/2013 14:49

Not a daft question at all. By this time your supply should be pretty well established so it shouldn't be an issue.

Kayls901 · 19/11/2013 15:04

I just thought that becaus I don't usually feed him that much during the day, that maybe there wouldn't be enough to start with. I know it's a supply and demand kind of thing though lol.

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valiumredhead · 19/11/2013 15:11

It's also with remembering that even with enough calories in the day some babies just need comfort and are wakeful at night.

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