Misery loves company: anyone want to join me on a support thread for those desperate and demoralised by their 8/9/10 mo sleep?

[Suchanamateur]

Bloody sleep regression. It's like 4 months all over again but worse because it felt (briefly) like we were getting somewhere. Feck. Anyone else want to share tales of woe or is it (a) just me or (b) way too depressing to post about..?

Urgh. Last night DT1 woke 3 times before 1am, up 1- 2:20, slept with me with his bony head pushed up against mine with some shushing til 4:20 then up for the day... FFS. He is still ill though. Vommed on the landing at 5am for good measure. Meh. DD up three times too.

DT2 slept through again!!

They are totally different in appearance, appetite and personality.

Let us know how it goes roar . Wonder if I should force DT1 into one nap to see if it affects nighttime.

feek I fecking hate the nights, I get The Fear too. And I get so desperate...

So far Operation Lone Nap (as it will henceforth be called) is going OK. She had another 1 hour nap at midday only today and has been in a much better mood about it all then yesterday. We've had a few stressy moments but they have been solved by food, walk or a cuddle and she has cheered up again. She settled to sleep by 6:30 without too much rocking and only a bit of murbling. She also ate really well at dinner which is good as she has a been a bit off for the last week. So I am basically optimistic for the longterm even if I'm not expecting any miracles tonight. After today I am certain that it's the right move. :)

I know what you mean about 'the fear'. When she's having a bad run I get stomach cramps every evening from the anxiety. Its crap.

I needed a change but didn't have the nouse to think of anything better

Sounds really promising roar . Does she nap in her cot?

So, if anyone is bored enough to play 'guess the non sleeper' in the wee small hours, I have a picture of my very non identical boys up. Which do you think won't sleep?!

Well we have only had one nap today. Eeek!!! Dd is nearly 10 months. Her napping is shit anyway. You have to hold her the whole time or walk with her. Oh the joy. Anyways, she woke at 8am this morning after a pretty awful night. Last night i had wine which made it all ten times worse. She then was up all morning and pretty happy so went with it and she fell asleep at 1pm for an hour and a half. She then fell asleep pretty easy at 7 tonight so we will see.
dreaming you must be a superwoman!!! It sounds like you get less sleep than me lol. That sounds like v v hard work!!

dreaming i reckon the one on the right doesn't sleep???? Don't know why just a hunch. Both v v cute btw!!

So Elpha had the poo/vomit incidents in quick succession, Fee and Hear are dropping a nap and Dreaming has her hands full.

I feel embarrassed complaining about DD after reading this!

Fortunately, we've two amazing nights (knock on wood). YAY!

Our problem was that she just got up in her cot and refused to lie down, so I had to restrain her in my arms, so we put her down in her bedside cot and left the room!

This was the first time ever we left her alone to fall asleep but it worked SO well! To be fair she wasn't upset at all, just kept standing up, so we went in every 5 minutes or so and put her down again. First night it took 35 minutes and last night it took 1:20m (she wasn't as tired) but she eventually turned around, cuddled up and went to sleep!

This is not a huge victory, as she was capable of falling asleep in her cot before the standing up/cruising thing, but it's good that it worked without tears.

The MAIN thing was she slept through until 6am, woke up had a very small feed and slept again until 8:30am both nights!

DH's theory is that she was falling asleep really tense, fighting me when I was holding her and kept waking up because she didn't have the opportunity to stand up/explore the cot so she was obsessed. It really seems like she gets the standing up thing out of her system and by the time she falls asleep she's relaxed and ready.

Might be a fluke, but that's two nights in a row so we'll be trying it again tonight.

I'm seriously freaked out with the nap dropping though - DD just turned 10 months (I think she's very close in age to fee and hear's babies) and she is showing signs of shorter afternoon naps already. ARGH!

On a cheerier note, your babies are very cute Dreaming and I also think the one of the right is the night owl.

Okay. I will start tonights moaning off as i need to rant. Firstly last night was bloody awful. Secondly, i have just realised i haven't eaten anything since 7pm last night. Thirdly i feel i may fall out with my dp and mil. And lastly i have just had the most shit day after a shit night probably to be followed by another shit night. That is all

Oh feek go and eat something woman! Everything is so 'much worse when you're hungry. I also recommend chocolate... Lots of chocolate.

Dd was OK last night apart from another 2 hour fart-a-thon with add screaming and writhing. Today though operation lone nap has taken a step back as she fell asleep in the sling on the way home from her swim with dp this morning and then ended up having another afternoon nap. She's asleep now but I don't have high hopes for the night to be honest.

You've only just realised you've not eaten in 24 hours? Dear life, I would surely be dead by then. If I don't eat for three hours I'm all peculiar.

Whisper us your addy and we'll order you a pizza.

Lol. One benefit of going back to a demanding job is you forget to eat. I really need to make an effort to be more organised tho so i don't end up with another day like today.
I just need a few nights good sleep to sort myself out. God, how i could do with some sleep. Bed me thinks

'A few nights good sleep' you say...hmm...no, sorry, I don't think I know what that means

Oh dreaming I forgot to answer your question up thread. Dd's cot is currently being used as as handy storage area in the spare room until I can be bothered to put it on eBay. We have given up on the whole cot idea and just cosleep so she either naps in bed or on one of us.

We plan on moving her straight into a bed. I'm currently aiming for 1.5 to 2 years for this epic move.

I mean her being 1.5 years old rather then in 1.5 years time....I hope...

Hello everyone :)

Well last night was not great, but not awful. Bed by 9pm, fed at midnight, but then was up between 5 and 6.30am coughing and vomiting up phlegm :( Finally got back to sleep only for her to wake up at 7.30am along with her sister. She is knackered and was asleep by 7.30pm tonight.

Sorry to hear you had a crap day Fee, please get yourself something to eat or better still get dp to get you something to eat!

I'm like you Elphaba, if don't eat something every 4 hours I get all shaky.

Liking the new name Dreaming, I reckon the twin on the right too.

Hear dd1 was able to climb off beds safely by 17 months so we put her in a toddler bed with a bed guard and she was fine. Only slight issue was the fact that she could get back out of bed again once we put her in it. We have an Angelcare sensor system that alarms when breathing movement stops, so it used to go off when she got out and she would run back into bed because she knew she would get told off! Was a merry dance for a few weeks until she realised we would just put her straight back again.

Urgh. feek. demanding job or not no way could I go 24 hours without eating, you'll be hiding behind lampposts soon woman!!

This no sleeping business is shit.

Incidentally last night DT1 who is slightly less snotty slept for 3.5 hours. In one stretch!!! But, sods law, DD was up for two of those hours. Honestly, I could weep. in fact I think I did

I'm debating moving her to a bed so i can put my baddest baby in her cot which should just about wedge in our boxroom but I'm worried I'll solve my back pain related to 56,6890 lifts in and out of a travel cot a night but replace it with the toddler getting up issue. We have had a long road to dds current sleeping (which is that she now sleeps through 4-5 nights out of 7) . She is 29 months in February . What do you reckon guys?? Can't see me moving the dts back into the same room any time soon, but can't get DT1s cotbed out without huge faff of dismantling it anyway, and eventually its going back in....

stitch I reckon that's great news, once the phlegm has gone, good sleeping will begin. Fact. :)

Oh, and poor little DT2 is the one on the right, in the blue and white striped top. He's a little poppet at night atm. It's the blonde one in the red on the left who's the menace :) . Had to clarify with top colours as can't believe he looks so bad . Though he is a ginger haired boy, gingers do have a reputation... :)

dreaming, 29 month old dd and 10 ish month old dts??! Wow lady. Just wow. I take my hat off to you and bask in your amazingness!!!!
question to all re co sleeping. Do you, dc and dh all sleep together or does one of you sleep in spare bed/mattress?? We have a fixed double bed so can't upsize or move it. One if the reasons i dislike co sleeping (often do it tho!!) is its me who ends up squished etc. Just not enough room for us all.

No, one of us decamps. Usually dh, DT2 being great atm so me n DT1 in our bed or single bed that's by his travel cot. But I'm Crap at co sleeping. I said didn't I that DT1 has very recently fallen out twice in a week? Exhaustion is meant to be a no-no for co sleeping, but I wasn't even meant to fall asleep with him there both times it happened... Woke up to "thump!","waaah!" . Confessions of a terrible mother here...

Yes, 18 months between my lot. Nearly 19 months. I am far from amazing though and have a lot of help, family plus paid mothers help two days a week (which my amazing dad pays for). I could manage much better if only I got some sleep though.... Looking after them at home is ok but i struggle getting out with them all or spending any quality time with any, ever, if its just me.

Ah, I've put up a pic of my three swinging yesterday. It's not very good,but impossible to get a good one of the three.

Can I tempt anyone else to share a pic, briefly?! I'll take mine down again soon as I'm sure its a bad idea but i love seeing who I'm reading about

On profile, but set to private so if you can't see them I haven't added you to mn mates yet.

Crap night. Stitch awake 3 times between 7.30pm and 12.30am then woke at 1.30 and again at 2.30am, when she decided she was getting up. Had to lift the buggy over the stair gate into the front room, where she was strapped in in front of secret weapon lullaby dvd. After a feed and some buggy rocking she finally fell asleep at 4.30am only for dd1 to wake at 5am. Plonked her in with her dad and managed to sleep on sofa until DH got up for work at 7am. Can guarantee that just as she gets tired dd1 will wake. At least she is sensible enough to watch a dvd whilst I snooze.

Photo of the 'Sleep is for Cowards' DS is up for a short time only! Coz I can't work out how to do Mumsnet mates

Co-sleeping - DS and I decamp to the spare bedroom double bed. No way would I co-sleep with him with DH in the bed as DH sleeps too heavily. He rolled over on top of one of our dogs once (mini sausage dogs, so baby-sized) while he was asleep and didn't wake up and poor old doggie was too pinned down to put up much of a fight. DH's grand idea with 'helping' me share the night-wakings was that he could do some of the decamping and co-sleeping. I declined politely, reminding him of that incident. I put a big pillow between DS and the edge of the bed on his side which I pull in to prop him securely on his side when he needs a feed, then pull away when he's done so it goes back to being a barrier between him and the edge of the bed. He's on top of the duvet with his own blanket. I'm under the duvet and I either sleep on my side facing him, or on my back (which I've never been able to do until now - always been a committed side-sleeper).

DS was in his cot until 2:30am with only one wake up at 9:30pm until that time . In with me with pretty much hourly wake-ups after that but I was mighty grateful for the stretch of sleep. Yesterday was a severe custard day with added treacle and misery. I was sobbing and feeling hideously sorry for myself in the morning so hopefully today will be a better day.

Is he striking a pose Elphaba?! He has a bit of a mischievous look about him

Your three look wrapped up warm there Dreaming, so twin 1 is the one on the left? With those red cheeks he looks like he is teething.

Yes, he's saying, 'Ha HA! Got you to take me into your bed AGAIN last night, sucker!'

Can't see yours Stitch...

Try now Elphaba