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What worked for us. Hope this helps.

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nectarina · 29/01/2012 21:03

This post is going to be massive - no apologies however.

So I've posted at least 5 queries about DD's sleep and read about 1 billion threads, because DD only napped for 30mins in the day, would only BF to sleep (since a newborn I wanted to get out of the habit, but nothing else did it). She spent the first 5 months in her cot, only for us to end up co-sleeping so we could get a bit of rest. She would BF every 2 hours at least in the night, and by the end she'd wake every half hour before we went to bed. I knew I couldn't do CC/CIO, I'm not strong enough even if I thought that was the right thing to do, but I thought that I would be forced to if things carried on the way they were.

We read No Cry Sleep Solution, which is complicated and didn't work for us.

So a friend had tried a technique, that she recommended and I thought that it was too much of a leap for DD, but i kept the email, and one evening I sort of snapped and decided that IT WAS TIME. DD was 8 1/2months. I don't know from what age this technique is recommended, but I don't think I'd have wanted to do this earlier, as you still have to cope with the baby crying. I knew DD was ready because now she quite clearly has two cries - one properly sad and scared, the other a bit shouty and put on, so when doing this technique you know what's going on (but I'd like to add that I still comforted DD when she was shouty - she's still trying to say something, but I deÞ nitely wouldn't pick her up and panic!)

I'll paste her email to me, hoping she won't mind. We didn't do it in the ten days, as it was just a bit too much, but i wonder if the way we did it made things a bit complicated. So I recommend doing it as laid out.

But now DD takes 20mins to fall asleep by herself (with one of us in her room) in her cot, in her room. and I do not feed at all between 7pm and 7am. Dh goes in in the night and he gives her water in case she's thirsty but she's quite happy without. It takes him no more than about 3mins to resettle her (unless ill).

After starting this at the beginning of January she still wakes up once or twice a night but it doesn't affect me as I wear earplugs and DH goes in! ha ha ha! (I still hear her and wake up, but I don't wake up fully and find it difFicult to go back to sleep) Do I need to tell you how I feel like a different woman?

So here's the email -

^"Ok, this is a plan thing that we first tried with dc1 when we got to the point where we knew something had to change. There seems to come a point where not only do you get tired of 'helping' your baby get to sleep, but whatever you do seems to work less and less - as if they know something has to change too! It takes a bit of work for about ten days or so but mostly the first couple of days you really put your back into it and then it gets easier. I remember vaguely doing it with dc1 and have just rediscovered it with Dc2 she is a bit of a firecracker so I was expecting trouble but babies love to learn something new, especially around this age and she only woke once last night despite having a cold, which is a HUGE improvement. Dc1 found this very easy and never shed a tear. Dc2 screamed 'TRAITOR!!' at me many times during the first night (she does that a lot), so I'm not saying that there won't be some crying because you will be doing something different to before but you don't have to leave her side and can reassure her as much as you need to, physically and verbally.
The idea is that you are no longer going to help her go to sleep - in whatever way - if you rock her, feed her, jiggle her, whatever it is. You can be there and reassure her but it is no longer your job to MAKE her go to sleep. It is your job to support her whilst she does it herself.
First of all, you know that thing that everyone says about having a bedtime routine (which I imagine you already have) is utterly true. By the time they are a toddler, the sound of a running bath is enough to set the bedtime clock going. When you choose to do this thing, it is really important to stick to your bedtime routine without fail for the ten days and it needs to be between 20 and 45 minutes long. Also, this plan also applies to naps, so you need to be able to be at home for naptimes - just until Dd has the thing established - ten days usually does it. Lastly, you are aiming for Dd to be in bed by 7ish in the evening and not much later. If you're like me you're knackered by about half four, so starting bedtime at a quarter past six is no trouble. You've probably done all that so on to the plan. I'll do bedtimes first and then naps.

Day 1, 2 and 3 - Place a chair right next to the cot. Make it a comfortable chair, you may get to know it fairly well. Have a duvet, cushions, iphone, book to hand. Do your bedtime routine and put Dd in the cot awake. She may well not know what to do next and try all sorts of things. If she stands up you can gently pop her back down again but only a few times - if she insists on standing for a bit then let her - it may just be one of those things she incorporates into her own burgeoning routine, and I daresay she is capable of getting back down again by now. You can pat the bed to let her know you want her to lie down. Sooner or later she is likely to sit down for a bit and eventually plop on to her front. She has to find her own way through this so she may try eating her blanket or playing with a toy before she lies down - that's up to her. If she cries, you can pat her and speak to her. As long as you remember that your patting and comforting is not there to get her to sleep, just to help her calm down in this new and confusing situation so as soon as she starts to settle, lighten your touch with a view to taking your hand off her, and stop speaking. She may go back and forth a bit needing you to touch and speak to her a few more times, but each time lessen your touch when she has settled. Stay there until she has fallen fast asleep and creep out. This bit can take ten minutes for some babies, but most fall asleep after 45 minutes. Two hours is the longest on record! I expected Dc2 to be a two hour effort but no - 45 minutes almost exactly. As long as you know that it is going to take that long, you can get through it. When she wakes up in the night, you do exactly the same thing, each and every time. The first few times she wakes, she will probably yell for you, but as she gets the idea that she can drift back to sleep herself, she may just squeak and go back (sounds unlikely? I thought that too.) The idea is that as time goes on you can wait a tiny bit longer before you go in, to give her the opportunity to practise her new skill.

Days 4, 5 and 6 - move the chair a few feet away from the cot. Keep everything else the same except you are further away. Once you have had your bedtime cuddle and put her in the cot sit down. You can still go to her if she really needs you, and you can still speak to her but she may not need as much help by now. Again, wait until she is asleep before you leave. Repeat as often as necessary when she wakes although, again, leave it a few minutes before you go in.

Days 7, 8 and 9 - move the chair to the door or the other side of the room. Make sure she can still see you, but once you have settled her in her cot and gone to the chair try not to go to her unless she has got herself into a daft position and can't get out. By now she will start developing her own strategy to get to sleep, and you will be able to tell what stage she is at, because you've been watching it all the way through.

Day 10 - you have several choices. If you think things are going really well and baby can cope with you not being there you can leave the room and see how she gets on. You can hover by the door out of sight and watch what happens, and reassure her with your voice. If you feel apprehensive about it and think she needs longer you can try the Bustle - instead of sitting down, tinker about in her room, cleaning up or folding washing or whatever. Or you can continue in the chair. The idea of the plan is ultimately for you to be able to plonk and go, but I quite like spending that extra time with DC so I use a mixture of the bustle and the chair. For night wakings you now really have to give her the chance to go back on her own. Wait ten minutes ( I know - such a long time!) before you go in. I got up last night to Þ nd by the time I got to DC's door, she'd already curled up again! That's the main brunt of it. Just bear in mind that the first couple of nights are the worst - she might wake more frequently, but stick at it and you'll see an improvement. The other thing is that when they start sleeping longer in the night they get up properly a bit too early in the morning - but this usually improves over a few weeks as they get the hang of sleeping. I've kind of assumed that you are going to move her into her own room - there's no reason you can't start this as soon as you move her in. If DC get ill and it disrupts her sleep, go back to whichever stage in the plan you think works best. You can sleep in her room if you want to keep an eye on her, but don't bring her in with you.

Naps - Do the same for naps as you do at night times only you can't sit there for as long as it takes - give it an hour and if she hasn't gone to sleep, get her up and feed her or do something different and try again a bit later. If she resists napping like this twice in a day you can resort to taking her out in the buggy or something. just so she gets a bit of sleep in the day. You are aiming at two solid naps a day by the way. If you've started this thing at bedtime the night before, the nap thing is usually not a problem. I can't think of anything else right now! By the way this is based on a Canadian lady's idea. I chose to use it because it doesn't mean leaving a baby to cry. They learn to fall asleep without you intervening, although you might argue that your presence is a sort of intervention, but before long you will find yourself saying goodnight and shutting the door, because she'd not taking any notice of you anymore!" ^

So for us the First night it took 3 hours 10mins, which is why for nightwakings later on that night I just fed her instead of sitting with her. Within the first few nights she woke LOADS less and then DH would go to her and he would just ask her to put her head down and she would and go straight back to sleep. Needless to say that sort of thing just wouldn't happen before. So if I remember rightly it was only after 4 or 5 nights that I stopped feeding her. The other thing we've found a bit hard is waiting a few mins before going in to her when she wakes. We just give it one or two minutes more than we'd usually do instead of waiting 10.

DH would like to add that he thinks the important thing is to teach DC to put their head down and close their eyes - he says' put your head down, put your head down, now close your eyes' and repeats it a bit like a mantra gently until DD does, and then stops as soon as she does what he says. He says for our 9month old that after a week she knows what it means and does what he suggests! He says that this is useful in the night and that's all he needs to do to get her to go back to sleep.

For the first night I recommend a large glass of wine that you take in with you. For the second night, have the bottle waiting for you on the table in the lounge. Also on the first night we both did it together for a bit of moral support and took it in turns but I'm assuming that none of you is as much as a wimp as I am.

I hope this isn't too much of a mess, my friend's writing is very clear, and mine is all over the shop. I'm just a bit enthusiastic about how its gone. I hope this is of use to someone.

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AmIGoingMad · 12/03/2014 08:58

Sorry to hear about your dad westiemama. So lovely that your son came along when he did- like a little ray of sunshine to keep you all going.

Well last night was... Our first full nights sleep!!!! Woo hoo!!!! She took ten minutes to settle in cot, stirred once one hour later as she was trying to roll into her tummy and once or twice in the night but re settled herself! Even at 4.50 when I'd gone in expecting the day to start! She slept til 6.00 and then woke babbling happily. By some miraculous coincidence DS also slept right through til 7 for the first time in ages!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting it to happen again soon but this has given me faith! So much progress made in a relatively short space of time.

I'm not putting her down awake for naps atm as its not fair to leave DS to his own devices for that long. But she does go off quickly in my arms and usually I can manage to get her down into bouncy chair asleep. Not bad for the little one who would only sleep in my arms!

My mood matches the sunny weather today!Grin

WestieMamma · 12/03/2014 09:35

That first sleep through the night feeling is amazing isn't it Grin .

I've still been cuddling DS to sleep for naps and then putting him in his cot. It works fine for me and he's more settled with it now.

CuteLittleToes · 12/03/2014 18:44

That's amazing AmIGoingMad, congrats!

One day I will be able to write such post too.. One day...

AmIGoingMad · 13/03/2014 07:03

Well I'm not surprised to report that there was no sleep through here last night! DS woke at 11.30 but went straight bk. dd woke at 12.30 but I have to admit I don't know how long for- it was DH night! So I'm up with the kids now and he's having an hours catch up. Only the one waking tho and it can't have been THAT long if I managed to sleep!

Not quite the holy grail but still much improved!

AmIGoingMad · 14/03/2014 08:21

Second through the night! Yey! 7.30-6!Smile

grainmum · 15/03/2014 02:23

amIgoingmad that's brilliant! I'm almost at the point of starting. Just come through weekend away, family wedding, and then tummy bug for DS and flu for me. I.e. more night feeds, feeding to sleep, co-sleeping, so lots of bad habits to break. Resolve for tonight is to only feed once. DH was on duty 9-2, now it's my turn. Feeding now, then it's into the cot ..

sesw · 15/03/2014 03:06

New to this and marking my slot for future referebnce! Wish me luck

grainmum · 15/03/2014 07:07

So I fed him a bit too far to sleep, but he slept until 6.15. I'll settle for that!

AmIGoingMad · 15/03/2014 19:03

That's great grain mum! I hope tonight is a good one too!

grainmum · 15/03/2014 19:06

Oops. Missed afternoon nap today so very tired baby fell asleep with bed-time feed, even stayed asleep while I brushed his teeth. Any tips on how to keep him awake/make sure he goes into cot awake?

grainmum · 16/03/2014 18:37

Bath done, now attempting not to feed to sleep - fingers crossed!

AmIGoingMad · 16/03/2014 20:04

Hope it worked? I remember reading upthread that someone was suggesting feeding before bath if that was happening. My personal take was that I'd prefer feed to be last to give space between food and milk and to avoid likelihood of being sick! I tend to feed dd out of sleeping bag and then sit her into it after, have a cuddle the lay her down. But then if she's fallen asleep she'll wake right away on being sat up- I can't imagine her ever sleeping through a tooth clean!Grin

grainmum · 16/03/2014 21:34

Yes we tried feed before bath just after the first teeth came through but like you I felt that solid food and milk feed were too close. Succeeded getting him into cot awake tonight then 40 minutes crawling/sitting/standing in cot until he was asleep. One brief cry heard so far, didn't need to go to him. Hoping the rest of the night is ok. Aim is one feed max and no feed to sleep.

grainmum · 17/03/2014 13:50

So we had one waking at 11.30. It took about an hour of him sitting up crying until he eventually lay down and went back to sleep. Another waking at 3.30 (short because I fed him) then up for the day at 6.15. Currently trying to encourage pm nap. We have a new problem though because yesterday was mainly filled with pulling himself to standing, so he'd far rather do that than lie down and go to sleep. I'm just meant to sit here and wait for him to lie down and sleep, right?

AmIGoingMad · 17/03/2014 18:58

Ha yes that's right grain mum. But I haven't been using it for naps at all to be honest. I can't leave DS to his own devices to give it the time I would need.

It's been quite consistent over the last few days that she will settle reasonably quickly around 7 ish and sleep til around 5. Sometimes she resettles then, other times we pat her back to help her resettle and other times we have to just accept that the day has started earlier than we would like!

grainmum · 17/03/2014 20:13

I'd settle for that. Asleep within about 20 minutes tonight with less crying than last night. Tonight I'd like to try settling him without feeding every time. I will be strong!

WestieMamma · 18/03/2014 20:23

How's everyone getting on? DS is now takings 10-15 mins to settle, with next to no input from us and is sleeping through till around 7.00. The chair is now right next to the door and I'm hoping to be brave enough to put it outside in a few days. I'm actually starting to sleep myself as I finally start to trust that he really is not going to wake up.

AuntyDiluvian · 18/03/2014 20:28

I didn't announce myself when we first started trying this, but we started just over a week ago and flipping heck, it's been a miraculous transformation. I think 10-month old DS was basically ready to start going to sleep on his own and feeding/rocking wasn't working for us any more, so It Was Time, but still we needed a plan like nectarina's to give us confidence to try another way. DS now goes down for bedtime and naps with varying amount of grizzling & bum-patting but has only needed cuddling or feeding a couple of times. He's now sleeping through but til 5-5.30ish - hoping that will get later soon. Oh, and at some point we need to work on moving the chair towards the door, though it's such a tiny room there aren't many stages to go through!

grainmum · 19/03/2014 02:44

Well this is night 3. DS settled in about 5 mins tonight with little/no intervention. He woke at midnight and settled after about 20 mins. Woke again at 2 and just wants to sit up in cot. My strategy is to try lying him down every 5 minutes, the rest of the time singing/talking and patting his leg or wherever I can reach. 30 minutes was enough for me I'm now feeding. What do others do?.

westie thanks for posting again that's amazing, giving me hope!

WestieMamma · 19/03/2014 09:57

I think I spoke too soon Sad .

Last night he took longer to settle. No crying, just didn't want to go to sleep. I suspect this was because DH is away and he's always more unsettled as he misses daddy.

He woke up around 4.00 and was sobbing his little heart out. It was like the first night all over again. He eventually fell into a light sleep after an hour but I tripped over a noisy toy when creeping out so had to begin again. Poor little mite was trying to sleep but just couldn't settle beyond a light doze. At 6.45 I picked him up and went back to bed. He quickly fell asleep in my arms and stayed that way until 9.00.

I don't know if this is a blip because daddy is away or the consequence of taking him in with me on the days he's up before 7.00.

To be honest I'm not really sure what to do when he wakes very early. I can tell if he needs to go back to sleep or not. Just not sure how to handle it.

grainmum · 19/03/2014 13:36

Still a decent stretch though, but disheartening for you westie. At 2 I gave up waiting for DS to go back to sleep after 30 mins. It then took 45 mins on the boob, back to sleep at 3.15. Awake again at 5.30 so took him in with me for an hour. DH is asking "what are we going to do about his sleep". I know I need to be strong and not give in but it's hard when you're alone and tired in the wee small hours and you're trying to keep things quiet for DH.

grainmum · 20/03/2014 01:29

Just got through a night waking without feeding, yeah! DS was determined that when he lay down it would be on top of my arm. Slightly impractical, but we can work on that. Here's hoping for a stretch of sleep now!

WestieMamma · 20/03/2014 07:01

Well last night he woke up screaming at 2ish but by the time I got to him he was snoring again and I was wide awake. It's now 8.00 am here and he's still fast asleep. I've never been up first before. Should I go and wake him in revenge? Grin

grainmum · 20/03/2014 09:54

Good news westie. It's hard to know whether to wake them or not, during the week I usually decide in favour of trying to improve their body clock ie waking him up at 7ish. DS slept from 1.30 until about 5.50 so at that point I got him up and fed him.

WestieMamma · 20/03/2014 09:58

He'll have to get up earlier soon enough as he'll be starting 'school' in a few weeks when he turns one Shock .