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What worked for us. Hope this helps.

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nectarina · 29/01/2012 21:03

This post is going to be massive - no apologies however.

So I've posted at least 5 queries about DD's sleep and read about 1 billion threads, because DD only napped for 30mins in the day, would only BF to sleep (since a newborn I wanted to get out of the habit, but nothing else did it). She spent the first 5 months in her cot, only for us to end up co-sleeping so we could get a bit of rest. She would BF every 2 hours at least in the night, and by the end she'd wake every half hour before we went to bed. I knew I couldn't do CC/CIO, I'm not strong enough even if I thought that was the right thing to do, but I thought that I would be forced to if things carried on the way they were.

We read No Cry Sleep Solution, which is complicated and didn't work for us.

So a friend had tried a technique, that she recommended and I thought that it was too much of a leap for DD, but i kept the email, and one evening I sort of snapped and decided that IT WAS TIME. DD was 8 1/2months. I don't know from what age this technique is recommended, but I don't think I'd have wanted to do this earlier, as you still have to cope with the baby crying. I knew DD was ready because now she quite clearly has two cries - one properly sad and scared, the other a bit shouty and put on, so when doing this technique you know what's going on (but I'd like to add that I still comforted DD when she was shouty - she's still trying to say something, but I deÞ nitely wouldn't pick her up and panic!)

I'll paste her email to me, hoping she won't mind. We didn't do it in the ten days, as it was just a bit too much, but i wonder if the way we did it made things a bit complicated. So I recommend doing it as laid out.

But now DD takes 20mins to fall asleep by herself (with one of us in her room) in her cot, in her room. and I do not feed at all between 7pm and 7am. Dh goes in in the night and he gives her water in case she's thirsty but she's quite happy without. It takes him no more than about 3mins to resettle her (unless ill).

After starting this at the beginning of January she still wakes up once or twice a night but it doesn't affect me as I wear earplugs and DH goes in! ha ha ha! (I still hear her and wake up, but I don't wake up fully and find it difFicult to go back to sleep) Do I need to tell you how I feel like a different woman?

So here's the email -

^"Ok, this is a plan thing that we first tried with dc1 when we got to the point where we knew something had to change. There seems to come a point where not only do you get tired of 'helping' your baby get to sleep, but whatever you do seems to work less and less - as if they know something has to change too! It takes a bit of work for about ten days or so but mostly the first couple of days you really put your back into it and then it gets easier. I remember vaguely doing it with dc1 and have just rediscovered it with Dc2 she is a bit of a firecracker so I was expecting trouble but babies love to learn something new, especially around this age and she only woke once last night despite having a cold, which is a HUGE improvement. Dc1 found this very easy and never shed a tear. Dc2 screamed 'TRAITOR!!' at me many times during the first night (she does that a lot), so I'm not saying that there won't be some crying because you will be doing something different to before but you don't have to leave her side and can reassure her as much as you need to, physically and verbally.
The idea is that you are no longer going to help her go to sleep - in whatever way - if you rock her, feed her, jiggle her, whatever it is. You can be there and reassure her but it is no longer your job to MAKE her go to sleep. It is your job to support her whilst she does it herself.
First of all, you know that thing that everyone says about having a bedtime routine (which I imagine you already have) is utterly true. By the time they are a toddler, the sound of a running bath is enough to set the bedtime clock going. When you choose to do this thing, it is really important to stick to your bedtime routine without fail for the ten days and it needs to be between 20 and 45 minutes long. Also, this plan also applies to naps, so you need to be able to be at home for naptimes - just until Dd has the thing established - ten days usually does it. Lastly, you are aiming for Dd to be in bed by 7ish in the evening and not much later. If you're like me you're knackered by about half four, so starting bedtime at a quarter past six is no trouble. You've probably done all that so on to the plan. I'll do bedtimes first and then naps.

Day 1, 2 and 3 - Place a chair right next to the cot. Make it a comfortable chair, you may get to know it fairly well. Have a duvet, cushions, iphone, book to hand. Do your bedtime routine and put Dd in the cot awake. She may well not know what to do next and try all sorts of things. If she stands up you can gently pop her back down again but only a few times - if she insists on standing for a bit then let her - it may just be one of those things she incorporates into her own burgeoning routine, and I daresay she is capable of getting back down again by now. You can pat the bed to let her know you want her to lie down. Sooner or later she is likely to sit down for a bit and eventually plop on to her front. She has to find her own way through this so she may try eating her blanket or playing with a toy before she lies down - that's up to her. If she cries, you can pat her and speak to her. As long as you remember that your patting and comforting is not there to get her to sleep, just to help her calm down in this new and confusing situation so as soon as she starts to settle, lighten your touch with a view to taking your hand off her, and stop speaking. She may go back and forth a bit needing you to touch and speak to her a few more times, but each time lessen your touch when she has settled. Stay there until she has fallen fast asleep and creep out. This bit can take ten minutes for some babies, but most fall asleep after 45 minutes. Two hours is the longest on record! I expected Dc2 to be a two hour effort but no - 45 minutes almost exactly. As long as you know that it is going to take that long, you can get through it. When she wakes up in the night, you do exactly the same thing, each and every time. The first few times she wakes, she will probably yell for you, but as she gets the idea that she can drift back to sleep herself, she may just squeak and go back (sounds unlikely? I thought that too.) The idea is that as time goes on you can wait a tiny bit longer before you go in, to give her the opportunity to practise her new skill.

Days 4, 5 and 6 - move the chair a few feet away from the cot. Keep everything else the same except you are further away. Once you have had your bedtime cuddle and put her in the cot sit down. You can still go to her if she really needs you, and you can still speak to her but she may not need as much help by now. Again, wait until she is asleep before you leave. Repeat as often as necessary when she wakes although, again, leave it a few minutes before you go in.

Days 7, 8 and 9 - move the chair to the door or the other side of the room. Make sure she can still see you, but once you have settled her in her cot and gone to the chair try not to go to her unless she has got herself into a daft position and can't get out. By now she will start developing her own strategy to get to sleep, and you will be able to tell what stage she is at, because you've been watching it all the way through.

Day 10 - you have several choices. If you think things are going really well and baby can cope with you not being there you can leave the room and see how she gets on. You can hover by the door out of sight and watch what happens, and reassure her with your voice. If you feel apprehensive about it and think she needs longer you can try the Bustle - instead of sitting down, tinker about in her room, cleaning up or folding washing or whatever. Or you can continue in the chair. The idea of the plan is ultimately for you to be able to plonk and go, but I quite like spending that extra time with DC so I use a mixture of the bustle and the chair. For night wakings you now really have to give her the chance to go back on her own. Wait ten minutes ( I know - such a long time!) before you go in. I got up last night to Þ nd by the time I got to DC's door, she'd already curled up again! That's the main brunt of it. Just bear in mind that the first couple of nights are the worst - she might wake more frequently, but stick at it and you'll see an improvement. The other thing is that when they start sleeping longer in the night they get up properly a bit too early in the morning - but this usually improves over a few weeks as they get the hang of sleeping. I've kind of assumed that you are going to move her into her own room - there's no reason you can't start this as soon as you move her in. If DC get ill and it disrupts her sleep, go back to whichever stage in the plan you think works best. You can sleep in her room if you want to keep an eye on her, but don't bring her in with you.

Naps - Do the same for naps as you do at night times only you can't sit there for as long as it takes - give it an hour and if she hasn't gone to sleep, get her up and feed her or do something different and try again a bit later. If she resists napping like this twice in a day you can resort to taking her out in the buggy or something. just so she gets a bit of sleep in the day. You are aiming at two solid naps a day by the way. If you've started this thing at bedtime the night before, the nap thing is usually not a problem. I can't think of anything else right now! By the way this is based on a Canadian lady's idea. I chose to use it because it doesn't mean leaving a baby to cry. They learn to fall asleep without you intervening, although you might argue that your presence is a sort of intervention, but before long you will find yourself saying goodnight and shutting the door, because she'd not taking any notice of you anymore!" ^

So for us the First night it took 3 hours 10mins, which is why for nightwakings later on that night I just fed her instead of sitting with her. Within the first few nights she woke LOADS less and then DH would go to her and he would just ask her to put her head down and she would and go straight back to sleep. Needless to say that sort of thing just wouldn't happen before. So if I remember rightly it was only after 4 or 5 nights that I stopped feeding her. The other thing we've found a bit hard is waiting a few mins before going in to her when she wakes. We just give it one or two minutes more than we'd usually do instead of waiting 10.

DH would like to add that he thinks the important thing is to teach DC to put their head down and close their eyes - he says' put your head down, put your head down, now close your eyes' and repeats it a bit like a mantra gently until DD does, and then stops as soon as she does what he says. He says for our 9month old that after a week she knows what it means and does what he suggests! He says that this is useful in the night and that's all he needs to do to get her to go back to sleep.

For the first night I recommend a large glass of wine that you take in with you. For the second night, have the bottle waiting for you on the table in the lounge. Also on the first night we both did it together for a bit of moral support and took it in turns but I'm assuming that none of you is as much as a wimp as I am.

I hope this isn't too much of a mess, my friend's writing is very clear, and mine is all over the shop. I'm just a bit enthusiastic about how its gone. I hope this is of use to someone.

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DonkeyTeapot · 26/05/2012 10:03

nm123 My DD napped for exactly 30 minutes at a time, until recently. She's now 10mo, and it's only the last month or so she's been having hour long naps. I'm afraid I just gave in and accepted that she would only nap for half an hour. She used to time it exactly to the minute, it was uncanny how she could be so precise about it. (I also disregarded the overtired / undertired thing.)

An update on our situation: DD has been going into her cot awake at bedtime, and settling herself with little or no crying, within five or ten minutes. She has still been waking once in the night for a feed, but then has been up for the day between 5.30 and 6.30. Then we had some work done on the roof, so couldn't put her to bed until late, and she slept til 7.30! (BLISS!) So her bedtime has been a bit later the last couple of days, just because she woke up later so the whole routine shifted a bit. But, BREAKTHROUGH: Last night she was knackered so was in bed for 7.15ish, which is her old bedtime, and she slept through til 6.30, no feed or anything! Obviously I've jinxed it and tonight will probably be terrible, but we'll see. I'm just glad she slept through for once!

DonkeyTeapot · 26/05/2012 10:05

Oh, and we haven't started using the technique for naps yet, so I'm still timing errands & shopping trips for nap time, so I can put her in the push chair and she'll ahve a sleep whilst I'm shopping. Am wondering if we should get started doing this for naps too.

dogsncat · 27/05/2012 01:09

I read this thread a couple of months ago and wasn't ready at all then as ds (nearly 11 months now) was waking too frequently (every 2 hours) for me to be brave enough to think about it. Anyway we moved into a 2 bed flat and him into his own room, and the change was immediate. He pretty much improved on his own straight away, waking 2 times a night at the most (s

dogsncat · 27/05/2012 01:45

(sorry posted to soon, continued...)

(sometimes even just the once!) He has manged to do 7-8 hour stretches on several occasions as well. I think with us sharing a room we were actually disturbing him from sleep.

Anyway although he wakes much less his sleep is still an issue as when he does wake he is usually up for 1-2 hours before going back to sleep. This has been a pattern for him since he was around 4 months old, I don't know anyone whose baby has persisted with this active waking in the middle of the night for so long. He is wide awake and it is like he thinks it is daytime. I have tried everything to stop this and what works the best at the moment is PUPD which works after about an hour, still shattering for me though!

The other reason why his sleep is an issue is that as he is not self settling (I feed him till drowsy and then put him down which works for bedtime and naps, but not for the middle of the night wide-awake issue) is because I am going back to work in 2 months and his dad will be looking after him and we really need him to be able to self settle for naps without bf. He is a very very active baby and shows very few tired signs until he is overtired. I tend to follow the clocks for his daytime naps to avoid over tiredness, and therefore am really relying on bf till drowsy as his is wide awake and very active before then.

We really need to work on a winding down routine that is not 100% reliant on bf so his dad is able to follow it.

So this all leads back to why I am having to to commit to this method of sleep training as I know I cant handle CC and PUPD doesnt work well enough for us.

I am optimistic though as from what Ive read of this giant thread, 11 months seems a pretty good age for this too work. Also I am glad that we are not in the thick of the frequent wakings that caused huge anxiety for me. I am still quite anxious about him regressing though but want to start on this as soon as possible. He has just got a new pair of teeth in so teething wont be an issue so it seems like perfect timing for us as well.

Tiredoflondon · 27/05/2012 14:12

Ok, typing on my phone so apologies for mistakes. Have been reading this thread and hoping that it might just work for my gorgeous sleep-proof girl who is nearly 8 months and has only slept past 4am (after a dream feed -dunno why we carried on with that as it never worked!) a handful of times and has got consistently worse sleep and nap wise - now waking all eve and if picked up in the night, fights the cot. I am at point where nothing seems to be working so something has to change. Lots of what has been said chimes with our situation, 30 min naps, not keen on cot, unintentional co-sleeping just to get a bit of rest, struggling to work (am self employed), now even pushchair naps are not a dead cert, but i don't BF (sadly) so no feefing to sleep, but she had reflux until 12 weeks and was held and cuddled to sleep consistenly until then, and quite a lot after that too, so never learned to soothe. She has eczema too and can get irritated in night so am very cautious about the reasons fir her crying, she wakes a lot in night but we don't feed in night anymore and she is getting more than enough food (she's a guzzler!) so am happy to try this as long as i am by her side to judge cause of her distress. so, have just moved her into her room and started all naps and night in cot, she has been inconsolable twice - last night at 2-4am and just now for nap, and had to pick up and then she eventually settled - seemed like cheating - and basically, she seems to be getting herself in a total state and exhausting herself from crying - is this normal/ok?? She gets overstimulated very easily and works herself into s state so although I can put her down awake no probs (been doing that for a while at bedtime) she often thrashes/fidgets for a while which turns to crying and these two times, to major meltdown. Do I just keep going? Trying to be strong as I know life will be much better if she can just settle herself a bit. Sorry for epic post!

Tiredoflondon · 27/05/2012 14:19

Plus - should just say thanks nectarina for the great Post and also say we use a dummy which I also think is hindering her settling ability but not trying to cut that out yet. Just really want encouragement and to know if anyone else had this inconsolable stuff and got through to the other sleepy/dreamy side successfully???

nectarina · 27/05/2012 19:30

donkeyteapot sounds very encouraging indeed - as for naps. Try it - and do let me know. we're STILL wheeling dd about for her naps (we're not around in the day anyhow, so we wouldn't be able to put her in her cot if we wanted to).
dogsncat I think this should work well for you, do alternate evening/night wakings with OH so you're both doing it the same(ish) way. And the more he can settle in the night will help reduce night feeds.
tiredoflondon lots of us know the Unconsolable. Lots of us do as you did and pick up baby. If you carry on with the technique DD will be less and less unconsolable and you won't have to pick up. As I've said before, don't feel like you've ruined things because you've felt like you had to pick up, its what is best for the baby. Good luck to you and dogsncat

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Tiredoflondon · 27/05/2012 20:55

Thanks Nectarina - finally got a min to get on the computer instead of trying to type on my phone. DD went to sleep so quickly tonight but I think that's the lack of naps - she's only doing 2 a day, and in cot, rather than being pushed and often having 3, and as its taking her so long to settle, the times are all askew, but still, we shall keep going and see what happens! Steeling myself for the middle of night horribleness again.

Just want to say again thanks for your original post, somehow reading this technique and all the comments from 'real people' just clicked for me rather than anything I have read in the billions of baby books which just make me feel like I am 'doing it all wrong' or that somehow because my baby won't nap/sleep at night, its something that I'm doing or not doing to cause that.

Knowing that others are experiencing the exact same problems is so reassuring and, when they conquer the issues, even more so.

Massive thanks, will keep you posted. Sleepy nights everyone.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair · 27/05/2012 23:14

It's also do reassuring to hear everyone say "it didn't work x time, baby was unconsollable so I picked her up", has def taken away the guilt factor that all the books force me into feeling!

I'm now just doing it when she naps at home, normally the first nap every day, but I just can't stay in all day every day so DD naps the rest of the time in the buggy or sling. Prob means it'll take forever but it's good to feel there is a consistent technique when we are home and actually it's kick started me into finally creating a proper bedtime routine for her.

Yesterday the technique worked really well for morning nap and bedtime (took15mins each time, just whingy crying for about 5) but today didn't work at all do she's in the sling while I sway in the garden reading Mumsnet in my phone!

Tiredoflondon · 28/05/2012 08:33

GirlWithTheMouseyHair - and anyone else doing this for naps, can I just ask how long your LOs are napping for - and when they wake e.g. if its after just 30 mins, do you just accept that the nap is over or try to resettle? We have been having 30 min naps for months now and there's no point resettling as she is WIDE awake, but since starting this, a couple of longer ones as i have been in the room and resettled (and also DD has been exhausted after lots of crying). But, I want to get on with stuff today so can't sit in there the whole time.

Interestingly, yesterday while sitting in there I started reading a bit about sleep in Babyhood by Penelope Leach (the only book my mum had when she had me). Her take on naps seems to be that either there's a good reason for short naps (e.g. discomfort etc) or, if baby is wide awake after nap and has had enough sleep for then, you might just have to live with it - she acknowledges how exhausting that is, but doesn't harp on about extending naps or anything.....

Last night was better with no major meltdown, but constant resettling and no real long periods of sleep. Hmmmmm. It'll be interesting to see what today brings, still, she was in her cot all night (waking up at 6.20am) which is progress and it feels positive to be trying to do something about the situation.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair · 28/05/2012 09:15

I have a 30min napper too - her first nap of the day she's always fine after 30mins and that's the one we tend to do this gradual withdrawal with (i'm still at the first stage though!)

If she were my only baby I'd prob be able to dedicate fully to it but have 3.5yo DS too so can't spend all day every day resettling his sister

Tertius · 28/05/2012 20:34

Well, I'd love to start this... But am still having to wait as dd is busy being completely routine-less (and it's not entirely my fault).

She is nearly 10 months and wants to drop to one nap but can't quite manage so is staying awake for as long as possible but napping twice and going to bed late, then sleeping in to catch up. No day is like another so I can't work out nap times or indeed a bed time. Sleep times are totally erratic.

Anyone else gone through this?

Hoping to read some more encouraging stories though!

Tiredoflondon · 28/05/2012 21:09

1.5hr nap this morning - out of nowhere - I was not in the room - probably just a fluke or catching up from bad sleep but even when she slept bad before, she rarely did that. Good Stuff.

Messed it up this aft as she reacted badly to something she ate and naps all went a bit wonky, but carrying on and hoping for a better night.

Wishing you all good nights too.

Tertius I am certainly no expert on baby sleep but I'd say you prob have to just bite the bullet and start keeping rigid bedtimes - even if she doesn't go to sleep at that time, still put her to bed (and waking up times too) - we are in a muddle between 3 naps and 2 and it often makes her either completely mental at bedtimes cos she has only done 2 naps, and is knackered, or, she does as you describe and fights the nap til she cant any longer and if we happen to be out, falls asleep in pushchair and its too close to bedtime so then that becomes a drawn out affair...... but we still try and put her to bed roughly same time every night and get her up at 7 even if she hasn't slept brilliantly. I have found if at home, and she hasn't done 3 naps by 4.30/5, then I just want to keep her going and get her bedtime routine started a bit early - so I just keep her busy and that seems to stave off the meltdown for a bit - on those 2 nap days she does go to sleep fast (yay!) but maybe doesn't sleep as well due to being overtired (though she never sleeps well, so, like others I have tended to disregard that stuff!)

Keeping same bedtime has kept some kind of structure I guess.... hope that is helpful?

nectarina · 28/05/2012 21:50

tertius as tiredoflondon says, I'd wake up dd at the same time every morning (the same time as she wakes usually) and put to bed the same time. the naps will have to juggle around your life, but try to keep morning and bedtime the same. I wouldn't wake my dd from her naps, mainly because even if she naps quite late it doesn't massively impact her bedtime.
I'm not sure why lack of routine would mean that you couldn't start this though - this technique is a way of working that out... but I'm not suggesting you do it until you are ready, that's for sure.

As for the 30mins naps, I feel so good now i don't stress about it.

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Tertius · 28/05/2012 22:20

Thank you both - that's the obvious thing to do - wake her at 7each day... Just bein lazy sleeping when she does as my DH gets up with my older child.... I can't turn down sleep!

Nectarina, you hit the nail on the head... Not quite ready for it.

But ahe really is changing so fast - awake for five hours between nap and bed now. Which means if she sneaks a nap in the car late or something unavoidable then I simply can't keep to a normal bedtime or she would cry for literally hours and hours as she wouldn be tired.

My son was like yr dd, nectarina, always ready to sleep at bedtime. They truly are all different.

Anyway, enough from me.

Bicnod · 29/05/2012 07:52

Hi ladies - we're still here but have beens scuppered slightly by a horrible bout of teething. The little bugger appears to have broken through now so fingers crossed.

He put himself to sleep last night in about 10 minutes but I couldn't leave the room while he did it so I feel like we've taken a step back. Night time settling is a bit hit and miss - sometimes only takes 10 minutes to get him back down and sometimes over an hour Confused - and I'm never able to settle him without picking him up. Hopefully that will come.

In other news, having been a hugely enthusiastic breastfeeder his whole life DS2 has suddenly decided he's having none of it. I thought it was just a nursing strike and kept offering but this was about 5 days ago and as we were just doing morning and evening feeds I think my milk is disappearing fast :( wasn't quite ready for this - I wish I'd know his last feed would be his last feed - I'd have treasured it. He still won't take formula AT ALL so he's just on cow's milk now at 10.5 months. I don't really know what else I can do. He eats brilliantly and has loads of milk, cheese, yoghurt in his diet so I think he'll be ok, but it's not ideal.

Tiredoflondon · 29/05/2012 09:44

Oh dear, last night was horrendous - awake every hour - got to get rid of dummy as I'm sure thst's part of the problem. I'm not feeling its going terribly well - she's going down easy for naps but that's cos she's so tired from awful nights and in the night, settling her is constant and no easier so me or OH end up in there all night not sleeping. Think he is losing the faith 3 days in, I want to keep trying but can't imagine moving away from cot and trying to settle her with my voice. Might just keep on as we are and see if we get any improvement in next couple of days/nights.

Humania · 29/05/2012 13:32

Hello - haven't really posted here much but we had amazing success with this technique with 11mo dd2 about 6 weeks ago. She went from 3-4 night wakings and needing to be bf back to sleep, to reliably sleeping through in about 7 days. So a huge thank you for sharing this nectarina. You mentioned that it's common to have early morning waking for a while but it should improve... I just wondered if you had any tips as unfortunately things seem to be steadily getting worse and worse Sad. Initially she woke around 6ish which was perfectly manageable, but we have now got to the unearthly 4.30am and she will just not go back to sleep. I usually cave in and feed her around 5 in the hope that she'll settle but she rarely does. We've tried blackout blinds, leaving her to yell (horrible), earlier bedtime, moving naps, shortening naps (she has 2 good naps every day - around 2.5 - 3 hrs in total) but nothing seems to work. Also have 3.9yo dd1 who gets woken by dd2 and then I start the day with 2 crying/yelling/tantrumming girls who need more sleep Sad. Any advice gratefully received.

Tiredoflondon · 29/05/2012 13:47

humania - feel for you and don't have any advice I'm afraid but heartened to read about your initial success - gives me a bit of strength to keep going. Wishing you some better mornings - don't know how you mum's of more than one are doing it- seriously! bicnod sorry to hear about your BF situation - Feel for you too. And on the settling front, I am having to pick up a lot - more than before even but maybe it's new room and also that she can see me (I always hid before so she knew I was there but couldn't see me) - anyone else feel that their LO gets more stressed seeing them there?

Pinbeak · 29/05/2012 15:25

Humania are you sure you're not me? DD will sleep through to 4.30 (4.50 on a good day) and not go back to sleep. Have tried later bedtime, usual setting (for up to an hour) etc but nothing seems to work. Hoping it's a case of letting things settle down but was wondering how long did people find it took?
Also I'm wondering when nectarina is going to turn this thread into a book? Grin

nectarina · 29/05/2012 15:33

bicnod I keep imagining myself giving dd the LAST breastfeed in floods of tears, so I quite hope I have a situation like yours where I don't know til after.
tiredoflondon I can understand losing faith if its getting worse. I would definitely try giving up the dummy and giving it at least a couple more days. Just see if there's even slight improvement and then that'll give you more courage to carry on.
humania hmm...I would suggest feeding her straight away and see if she can then go back to sleep. I imagine I would try anything in order to claw back a bit more sleep.

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DonkeyTeapot · 29/05/2012 22:31

I didn't know our last bf was our last, either. I was ready to wind it up though (at 9 months), and she loves solid food so much she was just having a morning bf out of habit. We changed our morning routine, and the bf just disappeared.

Sleep's a bit up and down, she has been taking a little longer to settle at bedtime. I don't know what happened last night but she kept crying when I left so I stayed, but then she kept sitting up, so I kept laying her back down. I was starting to get a bit irritated (not helpful I know) so DP took over, but all hell broke loose! Lots of screaming, took about 40 min to get her to sleep in total.

Tonight was slightly better, but still took about 25 min. I think I've lost my way a bit with the process, going to read over the first post again and check what I'm doing.

Tiredoflondon · 30/05/2012 06:14

Well, my OH did last night as I'm working today ( after I dealt with a bout of hysteria at 10pm and I just peeked in this morn and he and DD were lying on the floor on the makeshift bed we set up for one of us if needed ( so far it has been every night!) so I think we're all a bit messed up - there are improvements - she's not fighting naps as much and early eve wakings have reduced a lot, but she is getting in such a state and waking so much in the night and settling is really hard - maybe there's something else going on (not teeth at the mo I don't think, but she's very sensitive/aware and maybe room change has been a bit much?) Think we may need to reassess what are doing and how we can make it work without killing us. Feel like I'm just not able to calm her when she's upset anymore she's quite a big baby and really goes for it physically and vocally - last night she added actual screaming to her repertoire - joy!. Bonus is, I sent OH to bed so he can at least function while i'm away, and DD is now asleep, in cot - rare for this time in the morn! Swings and roundabouts.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair · 30/05/2012 16:38

I think I'm going to have to bow out and try again in a month or two, I just can't commit to it whole I have DS to look after as well. Still trying to get DD down for her first nap using the technique, and bedtime if she doesn't feed to sleep, but don't think she or I are quite ready.

Will keep lurking though if that's ok as it's good to see it happening in real life rather than the idealized book version!

Good luck everyone

Tertius · 08/06/2012 22:24

So I've started - night 3 and only a bit of crying. The first night was 30 minutes, 2nd was fifteen.

We went on holiday and it went backwards - co sleeping and feeding totally to sleep... All night etc. And I just realised that at ten months things arnt going to improve unless I make them.

But I am only making sure she goes intothe cot awake - and still feeding at night twice. And we seem to be always about for naps so not faced that one yet!

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