Support thread for the over 1's who still don't want to sleep through

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I know I need a place to moan about how tired I am and if I tell anyone anywhere else, again, I may get punched

tbh I feel that we've given her the tools and she will do it, when she does. No major active 'sleep training' from us, although that may change when we move house and she gets her own room (though more a change in strategy)

anyone else?

mmm fish fingers (says te vegan ) I'm pg, cravings are allowed

DD doesn't sleep in the bed, which is a right shame. DH does nearly all the cooking and cleaning now.

DS asked to go to bed at 6.30 yet we are still battling now to get him to sleep. ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHH!

Sirz :(

It's only 11:15am over here, so DD is not in bed (I don't think, she should be at the library doing storytime). DD goes to bed at 5pm though, we keep trying to move it back, but she's always rubbing her eyes at 5.

I don't think she needs less sleep. I happened to read that thread the other night and DD is not otherwise awake and alert, she's a miserable grumpy baby who is clearly tired. Days when she doesn't nap she just whines all day instead.

Anyway spoke to my mum today and she said I was still waking 2-3 hourly so that makes me feel a little better. Still hoping things will change when she's 2.

He won and is up playing. I am looking after my nephew tonight and they are sharing a room and he was disturbing him! Hopefully he will sleep soon

Hello Sirzy yes another Friday 13 baby. Night DS2 is very tired and went to be a little late (30 mins) even if he should have probably gone to sleep sooner because he was so tired. Gave him his milk (I know that he is probably getting a bit big for that, but he loves it) and he fell askeep drinking it. So far he has been asleep 45 mins and not moved. fingers crossed.

Last night was a really bad night and today I am really tired so hoping for a reasonable night.

Thought I'd check in with everyone.

We've had some successes. Now only feed twice a night. Alas some of the resettles involve leaving her to CIO which she only does for a couple of mins. However, we have to leave the room so end on the sofa/floor in the living room

However, we had one night of 10-5 where she woke up at 12:00 but took herself back off before I got there Of course she's been 2-3hrs since

Things seem to be going backwards! Bed at 7, then up at 7.30, 8, 10, 12, 1 and then 4am - and then slept to 7 (at least I got a bit of a lie in compared to most mornings!). I think DD has more teeth coming as teething gel did seem to help. so yet again, hoping this is just a phase!!

Do things really get better if you don't 'train' them to do otherwise. I really don't think I have the strength or inclination to do anything like CC - but then may be I need to do something to make things change??

At least its a long weekend! Happy Easter everyone!

I have to say things have improved for us since we left her to CIO twice in one night, but she only cried proper for a few mins each time and we had tried everything else. She just can't deal with interaction. Since then there have been a few nights where she has woken and taken herself off again or done long stretches. We only did CC as a last resort which felt horrible, but she had to get to sleep. We also know she often needs a little cry, so is not a tension builder and I would have gone in if I felt she was losing control.

We've had two night in the past 10 days where she's only woken once, but then the following night has woken every 2 hours

tbh teething and illness though throws it all out. I find I can handle a few nights and then I start second guessing myself because I'm worried it is the new habbit. It just happens to last a week for us.

anyway I don't think things magically improve if you do training (look at LBH), i feel it's better if they have deviated from their norm and you want to get them back on track. I've always worked on the assumption of trying to get them to do as much as the process as possible.

I am also rambling now. Give it a few days, let the teething pass, get some naps and then reassess. Remember to drag DH into it, I work full time and my DH is a SAHD, doesn't stop me doing nights.

spoke too soon

another tooth is emerging and our night followed just what you described murl

Just popped in to send support to all the knackered mums posting on here.

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Please can I join? I have an 18 month old who also doesn't sleep through. He will occasionally once a month sleep through but then it's always back to square one. I dread bedtimes too which can take an hour at a time.

I was so exhausted last week that I reversed my car into our gate.

I can't do CC as the crying wakes our DD8 up who has to get up for school.

I sympathise with anyone who is sleep deprived as it really is torture!

I need to join too (clearly not reading our post-natal thread very well PA!), especially while dealing with the chicken pox with DS2 (14 months). He's only ever slept through on nights where he's had calpol (for being ill - though there have been nights when I have wished that he has a temperature just so I can give him some and get some sleep). Not sure if that means he's always in pain or is just sedated by the calpol.

HV coming over tomorrow and is keen to discuss our nights. DS2 also rocks/humps loudly in the middle of the night for up to an hour at a time while DS1 (3.1years) sleep talks/shouts a lot and even DH sleep talks and tries to come onto me in his sleep - clearly the boys problems come from him and I am destined to be blighted by rubbish sleep forever!!

Just checking back in after a much better week or two - but only after several weeks before that of absolute hell.

After much consideration I suspect DD1's inability to sleep (she's 2.5) through the night (she cracked it in September '10 after being a regular waker-upper then 'lost it' in February '11) coincides with when Granny was staying and if she woke up early would read stories to her. Suddenly 6.30 becomes 6.15 then 5am. Grrrr.

Her eczema then got completely out of control in March for no known reason so much so that she was on super strong anti-histamine meds (the GP seems unable to sort out the eczema problem so instead favours stopping the scratching ) but that just reduced the amount of time she was up in the middle of the night from up to 3 hours down to 1).

It got to the stage the week before Easter that DH was laid low with a sickness bug, I had tonsillitis and conjunctivitis and DD1 looked like rubbish as she was sleeping from say 7.30 til midnight, then up for up to 3 hours scratching, then awake at 6.30 to start the day. In the end I had to pin her down and hold her hands until she stopped and fell asleep. Oh, and DD2 is now 9 months old but still wakes about 3 or 4 times from going to bed at 7.15 and waking at 6am. I reckon at the lowest point I was getting 3 hours sleep a night. No wonder I got ill! I had to laugh at the GP who suggested I go home and rest once I'd collected my antibiotics from the pharmacists. I pointed out the only person who was well was DD2 and I didn't think she was up to looking after the rest of us!!!!

Thankfully, the eczema seems to be improving and in turn DD1's sleep is less disrupted by it. But - the turning point was sending her and DD2 to stay the night with my parents when DH and I had a rare night out. My Mum put her to bed later than I would, asleep by 8pm instead of 7.15. She then slept ALL night til 6am! I repeated it the next few nights and we then had 8pm to 6.30 and 6am. Since then we've been away and only home the past few days. No ALL nights in her own bed since but last night she managed til 4am which is better than we had. At least it gives me hope.

Sorry for the ramble. I guess my point it I've come to the conclusion that she will sort herself out when she is ready and is not one of those children who is ever likely to sleep 12 hours at night. Asleep by 8pm and awake at 6am with about 1hrs sleep in the day is all she seems to need.

Now, if only DD2 could sleep a similar pattern to her bug sister and I'd be a happy lady

I'd also like to join as my 21 month old doesn't sleep through either. Not sure how I can get her to sleep through. She generally goes down OK and even when she wakes at night (1-3 times) she then settles back quickly generally if I take her into my bed. But then I'm awake, sometimes for ages...

Things aren't getting any easier for us at the moment - DS is teething again, and waking every 2 hours, if not more. The only way he will go back to sleep is on the boob, and if I refuse, he screams. He won't let my DH soothe him at all. Things had been improving, we moved him into his own room and he seemed to sleep a bit better, at least for the first part of the night. It's just gone to pot over the last week. The thing is, his dependency on feeding all night is really getting me down. DH and I have discussed TTC and I really do want to, I just can't face feeding DS all night while preg with a second one, but I'm also really struggling to say no to the feeding, because it is a clear need for DS, for whatever reason, and I don't want to let him down. I'm feeling a bit confused about it all. The last thing I want is to stop BFing, but I just want to reduce it at nighttime. Is there anyone else here who BF while pregnant?

Can I join you please?
I have a 19 month old DS who has only slept through once or twice in his lifetime and it's getting worse.

One big problem is he doesn't have his own room, he has a cot in the study but can't go in it till DP finishes work, about 10pm. So I have to put him down on our bed which means I can't leave the room till he's asleep or he just comes to get me. I've just ordered another cotbed for our room so at least I can reclaim some of my evening.

Last night he went down fairly easily at 8, then woke at 1am, resettled with a bottle of milk, then woke up again at 5.20 and refused to go back to sleep.

Soooo sleeepy..

Absolutely amazing - my 14mo ds slept WITHOUT WAKING from 7pm until 3am after a bath in Johnson's night time bath wash stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I couldn't rotten well sleep for fear he wasn't breathing/was going to wake up any moment, after 14 months of him never sleeping lany onger than 3 hours I must be used to only getting a few hours sleep!?!

Dunno if it was the Johnson's stuff (never used it b4 last night) but at least I know he can sleep for long periods without waking up crying :)

Mamateur
Is there another room you could use e.g. lounge so that you could put him to sleep in there in his cot at 8pm?

Hi Waiting, we're going to have the cotbed in our room, so he'll be moved from one cot to the next asleep at about 10. Sounds nuts but it means I can pop him down while I'm making dinner and go in and out till he settles. We have a new 13 yo as well (sort of adopted - long story) but at least he sleeps through the night and all the next day.

Does anyone else have early waking issues? Last night DS went to sleep at 8pm, woke at 1.30, had a bottle and went back to sleep pretty quickly, but then was up and bouncing at 5.50. Yesterday it was exactly the same but 5.10. My days are a bit hazy..

think i need to join too!!
DD is nearly 16 months old and i can count the number of times she's slept through on one hand. She went through a stage a couple of months ago of only waking once for her dummy and sleeping then till 8-8.30 which was heaven! But over the past few weeks it's like having a new born again.
She goes down at 8pm, awake and goes to sleep on her own. waking starts at about 11pm-same as others and then wakes a further 4-5 times through the night. TBH i'm so tired lately i don't even look to see what time it is, just walk in her room with my eye's more or less closed. the other day she was up and ready to start the day at 3.45!!! Had to bring her in our bed to settle her but then i couldn't sleep.
today we have been awake since 5am, finally dragged myself and her out of bed at 7am and now she's yawning her head off...typical!!!!!
wish i could just go to bed at 8pm when she does but I work till 9pm so try to go to bed as early as poss but by the time my head stops whirling from work it's normally 12.30 before i get to sleep. We've tried CC but it clearly hasn't worked.
DH's not coping very well with it- get's very angry as up at 6am for work.
Nice to know we're not the only ones but the prospect of this going on for up to another 3+ years is very scary!!!
would have liked another baby at some point but there's no way i could cope!

Sara waking 4 or 5 times a night sounds awful. DS usually wakes once between 12 and 5 and is desperate for a nap by 9am - very frustrating.

I had quite a lot of success lying beside the cot while he stood up and shouted/cried (so he could only talk or touch if sitting or lying down) telling him over and over to lie down. The only rule was definitely not picking him up. He cried for 40 minutes the first time but at least I was there all the time talking to him and comforting him, so I didn't feel so bad about it.

He got it quite quick and after a couple of nights I found I could just go in and tell him to lie down, sing and stroke his back etc. till he was quiet and then leave him to go back to sleep. It didn't stop him waking up (yawn) but it does make it a quicker job and hopefully make waking up a less attractive option for him. No advice on the early waking though, as once he knows it's morning there's no way on earth he'll go back to sleep

Can I join please? My dd is 15months, she goes to bed like a dream but then wakes anytime from 11.30 onwards and screams and screams and screams! I took her to the drs today as I think their must be something wrong with her, he basically said he didn't know what the problem is but that he would refer us to a paediatrician just to check. I'm working full time and so tired I could cry. I love my dd to pieces but I do wonder what we did to deserve such a horrendous sleeper. The neighbours have complained about her and that has just racked up the stress levels!

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i'm going to try sleeping in there for the next few nights. Maybe once she knows i'm there she'll find it easier to settle herself before she wakes properly.
anyone else had any positive experiences doing it this way??

.........off to blow up the air bed!!!