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"am I going to die Mummy....?"

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batey · 22/08/2003 19:35

Lately, dd1, 5 1/2, has started asking questions about death. I've put this under sleep because this is mainly when it crops up, either the last chat before lights out or if she wakes in the night. She says things like "if I'm a really really old grandma, will I die" or Will everyone die" etc. Not sure how to deal with it, I don't want to lie to her but don't want to scare her just before bed. Tonight I said we all die sooner or later but we'll always be together, alive or dead, 'cos we love each other SO much that we'll always be together. That seemed to help a little. Anyone else got experience/advice?? I could really do with some.........TIA.

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EmmaTMG · 22/08/2003 20:25

Our DS1 always asks this type of thing. I wear a locket with a picture of my Dad and my Grandad in it who both died when I was young.
DS1 always asks to look at the pictures and asks how/why/when they died and I try to be a honest as possible but avoiding the real causes, which was cancer. I just explain that everyone dies eventually and for all sorts of reasons and he seems quite 'happy' with that.

I sometimes wonder if I'm being abit to honest with him as he's only 4.5yrs but he doesn't seem at all scared or freaked out by what I say so I'll stick with it for now.

One thing he did say really made happy though. I was explaining that my Dad was his Grandad and my Grandad was his Great-grandad to which he replied...."Was he REALLY good then?" I absolutley adored my Grandad and thought that described him perfectly.

Eowyn · 22/08/2003 21:06

My dd, 3, has talked about dying for a while, probably cos I was telling her about my grandparents & she asked where they are now, being a tad unprepared I said Dead...Have tried to explain a bit more & stuck with it not happening till you're really really old, yes, much older that her grandparents blah blah

She doesn't seem to worried, asked if she was going to die the other day, i stupidly said no so she informed that of course she would one day...

also ran off to hide & told me she was dead, so I have to say ha ha whilst feeling very weird...

batey · 22/08/2003 21:12

Dd1 does get very tearful at the moment, probably not helped by the fact it's bedtime and she's tired/emotional etc.

Not sure if I should try and talk to her in the cold light of day or not. Don't want to make it a massive thing. We've (luckily) not experienced any close deaths since she was born so it's not really been a topic of conversation. Hmmm, not sure.......?

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Eowyn · 22/08/2003 21:20

I think I'm just leaving it up to her, if she asks about it I'll answer, but haven't brought the subject up as don't want it to become a big deal.
If, like yours it was coming up when she was tired, i might be tempted to try to reassure her when she's feeling happy, maybe take the worry away.
But it's so hard to know what goes on in their heads...

Jenie · 22/08/2003 21:32

I was in some ways quite fortunate in that my dog died when dd was 3, over a year later and she still talks about her and remembers her.

I've made no big deal about it, although as I'd had my dog along time it did upset me to begin with. I explained that no the dog wasn't coming back and that she was dead and that yes the dog was buried, plus many more questions such as where is heaven.

Dd seems to have accepted all this. She will from time to time re-enact the dog being dead with her toys (she didn't see this) but I think that it's her way of dealing with it and making sense of it.

I'd say to be totally honest with dd and to only answere the questions she asks, it's easy to give small children too much information about these things.

WedgiesMum · 22/08/2003 22:02

My DS (4) talks about it fairly often at the moment. My Dad died just over 2 years ago and he can remember him well. At the time we told him that Grandad had gone up to the sky to be with baby sun (as in Tellytubbies) which he accepted without any problems. He's been at pre-school this year and they are attached to a church and have given him the basics from a Christian point of view and at Nursery the rabbit dieD recently and the senior group were all involved in burying it (not too sure I was OK about this actually). So he's had a lot of 'information' coming in from all sources - and when he asks why we say things like they were old, and tired and very very poorly and needed to have a rest, which he can get his head around. We also read the Shirley Hughes 'Alfie' book 'Alfie and the Birthday Surprise' where the cat dies which is quite good at handling it.

Bossanova · 22/08/2003 22:55

My dd went through a phase of being a bit obsessed with dying/death etc at this age. I think a lot of children do. As long as you answer any questions honestly in a way they can understand it's nothing to worry about. They'll soon find something else to obsess about.

kmg1 · 23/08/2003 07:18

Batey - my ds1 has been through this twice, the first time he was very young - only about 3. I think the best thing is to sit and have a really good chat about it ... but not last thing at night! Whey don't you bring it up with her one morning when you have time to talk about it and answer any worries. Some libraries have good books on the subject, but do read them carefully first, as you may not agree with them ... we came across a dreadful one just called "Grandpa" which just skirted round it, never mentioning "death" at any point - just one day Grandpa disappeared ...! Not my idea of "dealing with the subject".

Hope she doesn't worry about it too much.

daisylawn · 23/08/2003 08:01

kmg1 - is that the John Burningham Grandpa book that you mean?
It freaked me out too, although I wasn't totally sure if he was meant to have died - I guess because if he was it didn't seem a suitable story for a child - or in fact for anyone!
I think I will find it and chuck it!

My dd asked if her dad and I would die - I said yes, then she said I don't want to be all alone...so I promised to be there forever...obviously a poor response! I am now considering whether to modify my position or to stick to my promise!!!

batey · 23/08/2003 09:06

Thanks for all the replies, I think I will try and have a general chat today if the time is right.

It may be that she's getting nervous about returning into Y1 soon,as 2 nights ago she was crying because she thought Father Christmas wouldn't come as she sometimes feels cross with dd2!!

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robinw · 23/08/2003 09:10

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janh · 23/08/2003 10:25

batey, IIRC my kids all went through this stage although I can't remember at what ages, or if it happened spontaneously or appeared to be triggered by something external eg something on TV, friends' experiences, overheard conversations or whatever - you often can't tell anyway - as Eowyn says, it's so hard to know what goes on in their heads.

Anyway what I generally tried to do was reassure them that most people live till they're quite old, and most people are grown up when their mums and dads die, and that we are planning to hang around for ages. My mother and DH's father both died before any of them were born, which made it slightly tricky, but OTOH the other 2 grandparents trudged on for years which helped. (One is still trudging fortunately.) It's also worth mentioning sometimes that dying as such doesn't hurt (they can be scared about that).

I think just answering her questions as honestly as poss, as you have been doing, is fine.

EmmaTMG, LOL at your DS1's "great" grandad!

nerdgirl · 23/08/2003 11:23

My brother died last year when my sons were 4 and 2 years old. They handled it really well. We explained to them that their uncle was in Heaven and that they would see him again when they died and went to heaven (while stessing that this would probably not happen for a very long time and that they would probably be grandfathers or even great-grandfathers).

Then at my brother's months-mind both the boys expected to see him in the church and we had to explain all over again!

But the truth didn't bother them. I think the fact that we are religious helps a lot.

As for great-grandparents, my DS1 used to call my DH's grandmother 'Brigid the great'. She loved it!!

Enid · 23/08/2003 11:33

batey, we are also experiencing the same thing although dd1 is only 3.7. Its becoming a real problem for me as she is waking two or three times a night now. She has a dead bumble bee in a box by her bed that she absolutely refuses to throw away.

I have told her about heaven and spirits and stuff (even though I don't really believe this myself!) as calmly as possible but it doesnt seem to help.

She is also being incredibly clingy and panics and cries hysterically if she doesnt know immediately where I am. She won't sit in the car waiting to go out if I have to go back into the house for some reason.

Its a nightmare and I am really beginning to worry about her and my sanity!!

So no real help I am afraid, just sympathy. x E

batey · 23/08/2003 11:53

Robinw, dh and I are both Buddhists, but dds school is quite churchy (it was the local one!). So trying to explain either without confusing her is tricky at bedtime.

I did have a chat this a.m. with her and she seemed to understand and, at least, wasn't tearful about it. We'll see at bedtime...

Enid, no solutions either from me to you! Just more sympathy. Just a thought though, has dd2 moved on a stage with walking/talking or such like. I used to find that dd1 would get more clingy/tricky etc when dd2 "seemed" to be getting more attention. Like when she walked/talked/fed herself etc.

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Enid · 23/08/2003 11:59

Yes, she has, she is about to crawl. Also dd2 is gorgeous and smiley and gets A LOT of attention when we are out and about - even though dd1 tries to join in people tend to ignore her and focus directly on dd2 (heartbreaking...)

I really, really try at home to split my attention fairly, but I think dd1 will only be happy if I focus purely on her, 25 hours a day.

She went for a walk with dp this morning and found a dead bird, cried hysterically about its sad mummy and daddy and desperately wanted to bring it home.

Please tell me shes not going bonkers

batey · 23/08/2003 12:08

I'm sure she's not bonkers!! The dead bird thing reminded me that dd1 had the same experience when she was about4, and still talks about it. But she dosn't seem "emotionaly scarred". Can you get any time with dd1 on your own? Maybe she needs some "her" time. My dd1 used to like going shopping for special things with just me. Dh and I would try and split up for an hour or so in town at the w/e's. Maybe that might help??

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expatkat · 23/08/2003 23:26

To add another perspective, I was a child who was obsessed with death. In fact, a good chunk of my childhood was taken over by worries about (my own, especially, but also others' ) mortality. It began when I was nearly six and my grandfather died. No one wanted to tell me he had died; I think my parents believed I was too young to feel any significant emotions. So when we next visited my grandparents' house, I walked all around looking for my grandfather and finally asked where he was. Someone responded nonchalantly, "He's in heaven." It was the biggest blow & worst news I had ever experienced, and yet everyone was so stoical and no one wanted to talk about it. So I, too, was outwardly stoical about iteveryone else was, and they were my examplesbut inwardly I was devastated and very alone.

I think if people had talked to me about it, and told me it was OK to grieve instead of making the subject seem taboo, I might have gotten over it sooner. Instead his death became an obsession. I thought about it every night before I went to sleep, wondering where he was and what "heaven" was. I even blamed myself for his death, because just a few weeks before he had asked me to ask my grandmother for something to eat (he was in bed, ill) but for some reason I didn't comply.

Later, this worry/obsession about his death gave way to hypochondria. I came from a medical family and used to overhear my father, uncle and their doctor friends discussing their cases, or cases they had heard about. But I didn't have enough information to put what I heard into perspective. So I became obsessed that I was dying from one thing or another. At first my parents were supportive and reassuring, but they soon became tired of what they deemed "nonsense." I was not encouraged to talk about these worries; if I did, my father shouted at me.

I must have been a difficult child to reassure, and was probably "pre-wired" to have these anxietiesperhaps in this day and age they'd have put me on antidepressants (?)but I urge all of you going through this with your own children to be patient, patient, patient with this. My obsession lasted a number of years, and dh would argue I am still a hypochondriac obsessed with dying. I don't envy any of youin fact, I myself DREAD discussing this subject with ds, and will probably make a bigger hash of it than my parents didbut be persistent in making sure your kids are reassured on this subject, and make sure they feel that they can talk about this subject with you without feeling brushed off or reprimanded. You all sound, though, like you're doing a fantastic job.

batey · 24/08/2003 06:56

What an experience Expatkat.It must have been very difficult for you growing up with all those anxieties.A good reminder to keep checking on any worries or if she's understood. I kind of felt like now we've had a "daytime" chat then I don't have to worry for a while. But I should make sure from time to time.

Janh, good point about saying that, mostly, dying dosn't hurt.

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tigermoth · 24/08/2003 08:26

expatkat, your message really serves as a reminder to me to take my children's fears seriously, and not get exasperated if reasoning takes ages to sink in. I remember having strong fears too. Not about dying but about a nuclear war or other huge disaster. Science fiction TV programmes, scare stories in the news and those prophecies in the Old Moors Almanac got me convinced the world was going to end. I packed muself an emergency bag with a torch, a change of clothes, a chocolate bar and suchlike and kept it in the hall. No amount of reasoning from my mother could stop my fears but as long as she let me have my bag, I felt a bit more in control.

janh · 24/08/2003 11:47

I was talking yesterday to a lady who is 70 and spent some of her childhood in an orphanage - one of the children there died in her sleep (a bit like in Jane Eyre) and for a long time afterwards she was scared to go to sleep and tried to stay awake all night. (There was that prayer children used to say too - "and if I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take" - scary!)

This was a child whose mother died when she was born, and whose father couldn't cope (5 children under 5) and effectively abandoned her, but it was this other child dying that got to her. And there would have been no-one she could talk to about it. At least ours can be reassured.

(She's very pleasant, happy and apparently well-balanced now though BTW!)

Enid · 24/08/2003 12:07

batey, how did it go last night?

batey · 24/08/2003 13:19

No mention of dying last night,but they were wiped out, swimming,late to bed etc. So either she was too tired or (hopefuly) she was reassured by our daytime chat. Here's hoping.

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janinlondon · 27/08/2003 12:21

I have faced this question too, and completely BD it up. I was faced with an hysterical crying three year old whose friends had just told her she would have to die. Of course they meant when she was old, but she didn't hang around to hear this bit, and when I told her that she wouldn't die till she was very old it didn't help at all. More hysterics. I told her that sometimes when they're old and tired people might want to die. Which she then interpreted to mean that we get to choose. This did calm her down but she often tells me that she's already decided not to die. How could I have made such a balls up of it??

SamboM · 27/08/2003 12:29

I remember thinking that my father would live for ever because of the line "Man will live for ever more because of Xmas Day" in that carol.

My dad was born on Xmas Day, so I assumed that he was immortal